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  Time to break whatever stigma that plagues Riela here, as our target is defeating Sgt. Trooper.  The only annoying thing about the early missions is that Riela/Kurt/Imca are mandatory in very awkward deployment spaces. Riela and Kurt start at the top right of this map, expecting us to go through a grass path to capture the south base.  The other, more productive method is to capture this base....  Capture the one below here....  And pop the enemy ace that way.  The actual boss is at the south of Map 1, so a simple APC carry leads to an easy S rank victory.  Reminder: Not a professional localization.  By the way, the ace weapon? Really, really good if you didn't get it last time.   None whatsoever! That was incredible! Looks like I don't have a choice this time but to accept you. Indeed. For a squad this small, every soldier in it affects the outcome. However, the simple presence of a single soldier does not have such a great effect on missions that could cause an entire unit to be wiped out. More likely, blaming the destruction of a unit on an "Angel of Death" sounds like the excuse of an incompetent commander.  This lad is blunt with words. A more useless man would mean more opportunity for "education". How disappointing. Fear not, my queen. There's ten thousand men in the world who'd love to be raised by you. Are referring to those like my brother?  But those same people will look for unlucky signs, regardless.  From now on, 13 will be part of future operations. There will be no objections henceforth. I...yes, sir!*Later that night*  I just did what a captain of the Nameless would do. Soldiers are far more valuable when they are allowed to fight. That's my responsibility. That's right! That's right, but... That's not what I mean... What do you mean by that?  After the battle, most of the squad stopped being afraid of me. I've always been looked at strangely since I was young, since I have such strange features.  It's because of you, captain! Because of that, I'm so happy....! 13, are you crying? ...Please call me Riela. And, if you don't mind, can I call you Kurt? That's fine, but...are you crying, Riela? Am I not allowed to cry? You're such a bully, Kurt....! I'm not angry! Are you helping or hurting? Which is it? *Thinks* She's angry, isn't she?*The next day*  And for those that haven't, won't fight my orders...well, except for one. Ace, right? From what I can see at least, that girl has the strongest abilities as a soldier. You're not mistaken. However, that girl has problems.... Her combat abilities are top-rate, but she doesn't open up to anyone. You have to start a conversation with her every time, and even then you'll probably get ignored regardless. So it's not just me she ignores. Regardless, for our future battles to succeed, we need her skills. I'll ask her to join today's operation. I don't know why, but Ace has rarely missed a mission. She seems to have an appetite for battle. Then let's assume she'll join anyway, and start preparations in the meantime. The next operation is available, but we have a side scene available for viewing. The mentioned talking of No. 1.  *at a distance*  Aslone's stronghold... If it's here, I'll be facing tough opponents without a doubt. Ah, there are you are, Ace. .... About today's battle, I need to talk with you about..... Nothing. *runs away* I haven't said anything yet! Get back here!*Imca runs to the field*  Where do you think you're going? Do you have any interest in listening or... Not. *runs away* Wait!*Further into the forest*  "None", so you thought? ...! You're pretty fast, but I have confidence in my tracking abilities. No matter how quick you are, that weapon of yours is going to slow you down enough. I have nothing to talk to you about. I'm not asking anything personal about you. I just have something to tell you. That's not necessary. I'm not a fan of being interrupted, and you're probably the worst I've met. I have no interest in you. Ace, your firepower is necessary in taking Aslone's stronghold, do you not agree? This has nothing to do with me. *runs away* Right up to the end, from the beginning of our conversation, she's been going "No, not, or nothing". Such stubbornness, there must be some deep reason for it. I'll have to ask Gusurg later on the matter.
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May 23, 2015 18:03
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Children. We're dealing with children.
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May 23, 2015 18:55
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Lotish posted:Children. We're dealing with children. I was going to say... I mean, there's being contrary, and then there's just going "I don't wanna!" like you're a three-year old. Meanwhile: Tae posted:
When it comes to that choice someone mentioned, is there a "None of the above" option?
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May 23, 2015 19:02
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Tae posted:
Born looking like what? Having dumb hair? Cause having weird hair in the land of anime doesn't seem like much of an issue.
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May 23, 2015 19:14
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Internet Kraken posted:Born looking like what? Having dumb hair? Cause having weird hair in the land of anime doesn't seem like much of an issue. We're in the land that executes daily genocides because of hair color. white/red is a freaky thing to people, probably. Here's some age breakdowns: Kurt :20 Reila: 21 Imca: 17 Gusurg: 25 Giuilio: 30 Felix: 21 Alfons: 23 Deit: 27 Serge: 18 Amy: 15 Leila: 20 Annika: 17 Glorida: 62 Valerie: 28 Antonio Jose Rodriguez: 48 Ramsey Crowe: 34
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May 23, 2015 19:21
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So, this game won't give you a metric fuckton of useless Engineers since you can change them into something better?
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May 23, 2015 19:33
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I like our lovably logical autist commander.
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May 23, 2015 21:10
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IAmTheRad posted:So, this game won't give you a metric fuckton of useless Engineers since you can change them into something better? Sadly there's a mechanic with class changing that actively encourages you to not use it
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May 23, 2015 21:10
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Tae posted:
I've seen this stupid line in animes before. What does it mean? It obviously doesn't have nothing to do with you, it's a sentence directly about you, addressed to you. Is there some badly-translated nuance of meaning here or is this just rear end writing?
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May 23, 2015 21:21
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everybody still has two classes they excel at though, so every engineer can also be another class while still being in a preferred class
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May 23, 2015 21:22
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Mzbundifund posted:I've seen this stupid line in animes before. What does it mean? It obviously doesn't have nothing to do with you, it's a sentence directly about you, addressed to you. Is there some badly-translated nuance of meaning here or is this just rear end writing? It's not my problem/i don't give a gently caress. it's one of the sentence structures that works in japanese but is awkward in english, so bad translators will leave it as is. see, "It can't be helped".
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The Imca thing slipped by me because I'm not familiar with the original japanese context. Honestly, I've been re-wording a lot of the dialogue because it's very direct-translationly. That's probably wrong to do, but I'll give a few examples of the changes. Current: But those same people will look for unlucky signs, regardless.  Current: I was just trying to do what was best for the squad. Current: After the battle, most of the squad stopped being afraid of me. Current: Of course I'm not crying! You're just seeing things, Kurt! Current: Regardless, for our future battles to succeed, we will need to depend on her. I'll ask her to join today's operation. 
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May 23, 2015 21:51
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I think you're improving things a fair bit.
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May 23, 2015 21:56
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Tae posted:We're in the land that executes daily genocides because of hair color. white/red is a freaky thing to people, probably. Well yeah but that's because of a stupid myth about them destroying the world once upon a time. Regardless, if it bothered her that much you'd think she would just get a haircut. Hair color is just such a weird thing to make the basis of discrimination.
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Internet Kraken posted:Well yeah but that's because of a stupid myth about them destroying the world once upon a time. Regardless, if it bothered her that much you'd think she would just get a haircut. Hair color is just such a weird thing to make the basis of discrimination. You could say that about all reasons for discrimination really. 'You're different! Therefore I/we don't like you!' It is a silly thing.
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Internet Kraken posted:Well yeah but that's because of a stupid myth about them destroying the world once upon a time. Regardless, if it bothered her that much you'd think she would just get a haircut. Hair color is just such a weird thing to make the basis of discrimination.
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  The final mission of the chapter is to capture the city, with thankfully only Imca as a mandatory unit.  Kurt's group will capture the middle the base, then spawn fresh troops from there to capture the north, opening up the path towards map 4.  Meanwhile, map 3 has Imca deployed behind behind a tank again. This place will be ignored for the most part, because the design of this is having a Scout go all the way around the left path. That'll take way too long.   Incredible....! Her attacks are fast, yet precise. Does she have any weaknesses at all? How did she acquire such skills at a young age? No doubt, she's the best of the best. I have to think of a way to get her to follow my orders....Kurt, you might want to calm down a bit. She's not teleporting in between maps or something, she just shot at the big, blue tank butt like everyone else.  Next turn, Gusurg continues on to capture the north base and kills the ace Zuki.   That opens up a path to the objective. Gloria shoots the tank ahead a couple of times and ends the turn.   Um...what? Apparently the actual translation is: I can't allow myself to die in such a boring battle.  Well uh...moving on, here's the S rank. 1 turn below the requirement.  Now that you've been recognized as captain, your orders seem to be going more smoothly. We're finally acting like a real unit. However... Ace, right? Having her fully cooperate with us would be a huge boon.I'm really confused on this whole deal. She's been fighting for Kurt since the beginning, unless they just mean she doesn't have these forced deployments anymore...? Indeed. Say, Gusurg, how much do you know about Ace? You know the Darcsen people are rejected by all countries on this continent, right?  Once upon a time, Darcsens threw the entire continent into chaos in an event called "The Darcsen Calamity". For that crime, we lost everything. We live without a homeland. Because of that, usually Darcsens tend to cooperate with one another for survival. It's for that reason that Darcsens share a strong bond. But Ace doesn't even socialize with the other Darcsens. I see. Anything else? If I'm not wrong, Ace has served in this unit the longest. But she's so young! Ramsey, what are you doing picking up teenage chicks. Does that mean Ace willingly entered this squad? That weapon she uses isn't exactly standard military issue. That might have something to do with it, too. Okay, I think I've got a pretty good grasp of the situation. I'll have another talk with her.*Later that night*  One minute will be enough. Would you give me some time to talk? No. All right. Then this is just me talking to myself. I'll leave it to you whether you want to listen or not. From here on, in order for this unit to survive, we need your abilities. Gusurg told me you volunteered for the Nameless. And that you've been here for two years. I think you joined this squad because you have a goal in mind.   I have no reason to answer. Then, from here on I won't be speaking to myself. I have a suggestion for you. Won't you make a deal with me? Hmm? If you have some kind of objective, and the time comes when you can achieve it....The Nameless and I will definitely help you. In exchange, for now, would you help us? Huh? In order to do that, I absolutely need your skills. If this unit is something you need, even a little, then I don't think this is a bad deal at all. ...No, it's not. Mm....does that mean you'll accept this deal? ...Listen well. I'll only say it once. Eh? My name.....it will serve as proof of our promise. As long as you are true to your word, I won't betray you.Was she going to betray us at some point, otherwise...? Your name is Imca? Does that mean you trust me? I won't accept you breaking your promise. If you do break it...I won't guarantee your safety. ...Roger that. 7, this is strictly a business deal. I have to reason or intention to call your name. That's fine. As long as you understand. *Thinks* This is as good a result as I could have hoped. With this, I have enough to keep fighting. With this, the Imperial Army divisions engaged in central and south Gallia were weakened. The Imperial Army's advance slowed, and plan for a quick conquest had to be revised.... The battle was deadlocked   
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Tae posted:
This is a translation error. Unless I misheard something, it sounds like she's saying "つまらん戦いで死ぬわけにはいかない" which is, literally, "I can't die in this insignificant battle." This is a very basic phrase (you see the likes of it EVERYWHERE in anime and the sort), so I'm surprised a whole team made this mistake...odd. vvvv Edit: Ah, that explains it. Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 00:47 on May 24, 2015 |
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Brunom1 posted:This is a translation error. Unless I misheard something, it sounds like she's saying "つまらん戦いで死ぬわけにはいかない" which is, literally, "I can't die in this insignificant battle." Rather there seems to be a bug where after battle quote translations are not matched to what's in the Japanese at least some of the time ---- the VA clearly mentions a name that makes sense in context, but the translated string talks about someone else.
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Tae posted:I'm really confused on this whole deal. She's been fighting for Kurt since the beginning, unless they just mean she doesn't have these forced deployments anymore...? i think the idea is that she's just doing her own thing each map, but for gameplay reasons they still let you control her. Tae posted:Ramsey, what are you doing picking up teenage chicks. take another look at the guy, of course he's picking up teenagers
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OddObserver posted:Rather there seems to be a bug where after battle quote translations are not matched to what's in the Japanese at least some of the time ---- the VA clearly mentions a name that makes sense in context, but the translated string talks about someone else. I've done some game hack translations myself, and basically the problem is that when you're actually putting these changes into the game, all you see in front of you is a big list of text in no particular order. If you screw up and paste the wrong line in the wrong spot, that shifts everything down by one line and tons of other lines don't match where they're supposed to go. It's not a translation problem, it's a simple mistake that anyone could have made. And if the testers don't know Japanese, they won't even notice except in weird cases like this. Speaking of translations, it's been a while since I've played this, but Imca is actually even more taciturn in Japanese and has some sort of "stop talking to me" catchphrase that she uses all the time. I can't remember exactly what it was though. Also, everyone calls her "Ace" instead of "No. 1". I have idea why they changed that.
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Is it legal to hate Imca as much as I do?
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Clarste posted:Speaking of translations, it's been a while since I've played this, but Imca is actually even more taciturn in Japanese and has some sort of "stop talking to me" catchphrase that she uses all the time. I can't remember exactly what it was though. Also, everyone calls her "Ace" instead of "No. 1". I have idea why they changed that. Can't speak for any catchphrase, as I haven't seen much of this game, but Imca does have a big habit (on top of being short-spoken, of course) of speaking in "negative" phrases: don't want, don't need, not interested, etc. If you take a look at some videos, you'll be hearing a lot of "-nai"'s appended to the end of her phrases. vvv Edit: Aah, there's that too. Her using "無い。/Nai." as the equivalent of "No." only further adds to her habit as that's certainly not standard. Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 02:08 on May 24, 2015 |
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Clarste posted:Speaking of translations, it's been a while since I've played this, but Imca is actually even more taciturn in Japanese and has some sort of "stop talking to me" catchphrase that she uses all the time. I can't remember exactly what it was though. Also, everyone calls her "Ace" instead of "No. 1". I have idea why they changed that. It's No. 1 in the japanese text as well even though they say Ace in the voice clippets. I think they translated off a japanese transcript. This is Imca's No:  And is Imca's "Not Interested" 
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Mzbundifund posted:Is it legal to hate Imca as much as I do? Hope so, because she's super annoying.
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i married her the romance choices in this game are exceedingly subpar though. Should have been able to romance my bro Gusurg. Failing that Gloria.
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Man, translation's a fickle beast. I took a look at that other VC3 translation and it took a much different approach to words.quote:
It's because of you, Commander! Because of that, I'm so happy....! Are you crying, Thirteen? Please call me Riela. And, if you don't mind, can I call you Kurt? That's fine, but...are you crying, Riela? Am I not allowed to cry? Man, you're such a bully, Kurt....! It's fine to cry but...are you angry, Riela? I'm not angry! Man, are you kind or unkind? Which is it? *thinks* She's angry, isn't she?Now I'm not sure which translation to use.
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May 24, 2015 02:08
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Tae posted:Man, translation's a fickle beast. I took a look at that other VC3 translation and it took a much different approach to words. I'd go with the one above. Looking at the original script of this scene alone, there are a couple of mistakes on the one you're currently using. It could be argued that the new translation is being "too literal" in a few spots (and I don't exactly think Riela saying "man!" fits her character) but, despite that, they got everything right in the excerpt you posted. Brunom1 fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 24, 2015 |
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Well it's an experiment that might blow up in my face, but I'll use this other script with some exceptions (Other script calls Kurt an ensign, which is clearly wrong). I'll start re-editing all the updates so far, since if people want to see the patched translation, they can go watch Apepresident's LP.
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Brunom1 posted:Can't speak for any catchphrase, as I haven't seen much of this game, but Imca does have a big habit (on top of being short-spoken, of course) of speaking in "negative" phrases: don't want, don't need, not interested, etc. Oh yeah, that was it. It's very weird.
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The dating sim situations and awful characters are already making me more angry than most of VC2. I honestly have no idea how you can jump right into this after getting so sick of the first game's environments.
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Mzbundifund posted:Is it legal to hate Imca as much as I do? I don't care. *runs away*Really I dislike her as well, but at least Kurt's reaction to her is pretty drat good. He realizes exactly how to cut through her bullshit rather than fumbling around like so many other protagonists would do. Kurt really is such a huge breath of fresh air.
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I'm hoping Imca opens up to be a much more interesting character, but as is she's really plain and boring. I'm assuming that as the game goes on we're gonna get more squad members, right?
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yeah, it's the same as in 2 where new members get sent to the nameless as you progress through the game i do think 3 has a smaller roster overall though
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Yeah this game isn't the hilarious trainwreck that vc2 is but it just ends up being kinda dull instead. Like, I can't remember how a single character mission goes in this game while the ones in vc2 were at least memorably dumb. This might at least partially be because of the translation, I dunno Also Imca owns y'all are just haters
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Alright, all the updates except the latest one are replaced with mostly the other translation. Take a read, a lot of things are different including Imca's pun-games, and Leila is toned down a bit. edit: All updates are re-finished now. Tae fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 24, 2015 |
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I dunno, to me almost everything sounds way more awkward now. It seems like a very clumsy translation. I think the original updates were written better in almost every area that I've looked at.
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