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windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

thousandcranes posted:

I watched Stripped last night, and A Softer World was one of the featured comics. The last act was about the digital revolution and the bright future of web comics.

The last act seemed detached from reality, because the only people making a "living" doing webcomics are:
1) Living in a country with universal healthcare/ actual social safety nets
2) In literal poverty
3) Producing lowest common denominator product for over a decade
4) Yeah Aaron Diaz and the Penny Arcade guys too

If you count people who are recruited out of webcomics for other fields, the picture gets a little better. But they're not making a living at webcomics.

Edit: I don't mean to be so bleak. But literally the only reason to draw comics is because you love to. It's enough of a reason, but let's not pretend there's a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.

While it's hard to argue against this, most of these guys do manage to survive. But there is one area on here you're not mentioning and I'm not going to name artists afflicted but...

There are a handful of very popular webcomics artists with very serious mental illness. Most of them do receive some kind of health care benefits of some kind, but doing comics gives them enough income to live a life and keep taking their medication (by virtue of paying for it or not selling it for money), effectively giving them an outlet doing something they love and stabilizing their lives simultaneously.

You can paint that as bleak but it's actually really positive for those individuals because it gives them a community and support system. There are also many examples. Obviously doesn't work for all cases.

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windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

JuniperCake posted:

It's mentioned a lot in creative circles but if your friends are nervous about their art in general, I'd highly recommend the book Art and Fear. There's a section in it that covers this topic. It also has a lot of other stuff and is just a really good read in general for dealing with art related anxiety.

Thanks for this - I read about the first 20-30 pages of this in a Library once and then forgot the title. Now it's on my Kindle. The first bit was great.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.
If you buy Clip Studio from the authors of the software directly and not the Manga Studio version that never gets updates, the pro version is only $50. You probably do not need EX, I only buy EX to throw money at Celesys.

http://www.clipstudio.net/en/

Edit; also: Be prepared to spend time learning how to create brushes in [Clip|Manga] Studio to use it for painting; the default brushes are rather lackluster. You will likely learn to do this if you are trying to make effect lines with the pen tool for regular linework, anyway. It's much easier than it sounds.

windex fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Aug 4, 2015

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.
I agree with Wowporn, it's difficult to pick out your characters from the background.

Being able to blend characters -in the background- into the background is a skill a lot of people fail at, but this feels kind of like everything is on the same plane, which is a shame because the line art is awesome.

I also don't inow that I'd change your line art to get the right effect here, your color choices are generally on the darker side and more black via thicker lines won't provide as much pop as some foreground highlighting color choices would. Heck, even just lightening the foreground would probably have more effect.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Vermain posted:

One of the mystical things about drawing that I discovered is that you very quickly begin to forget what it was like before you could draw. Nowadays, I get all mopey if one of my eyes doesn't look quite right, or if the nose is a bit too long, or whatever. Two years ago, the idea of someone making a human face appear on a piece of paper was witchcraft, and you're going to find that a lot of your audience thinks the same way. The "average" person notices art fuckups a lot less than you, the artist, does.

Oh man. See, I have this happen occasionally because when I am overworked/stressed/etc the part of my brain that makes shapes just goes gently caress YOU DAD and locks itself up in it's bedroom, with a hint of cigarette smoke coming out from under the door and the sound of a bass playing while plugged into headphones.

But, on the other side, how many artists do you know that are happy with - not just content with - all aspects of their own work? It's pretty rare.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.
Deciding on color vs monochrome vs grayscale should be a decision left to the tone of the content being presented and the skill of the artist, imo. Color work is definitely more popular, but colors also work to hide imperfections with the more high contrast elements, e.g. black linework. I would wager most of the stuff you see online in color is because it looks better due to that corrective effect, rather than for stylistic choice. (I am guilty of this.)

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.
You can get the same deal on Clip Studio, http://www.clipstudio.net/en/purchase .. which is the same software, from the original authors, and has more frequent updates. This is especially important if you use Cintiq, as they wind out pushing an TabletPC support update out almost every time Wacom updates Cintiq drivers.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Mercury Hat posted:

The vanilla version of Manga Studio 5 / Clip Studio Paint is on sale again for $15 USD! Does anyone not have Manga Studio at this point :v: ?

My guess is that they are getting ready to update it again. I got two emails from Celsys in Japan in the last month telling me my feature request could be expected in an upcoming release.

I asked for a hotkey or interface button to reset the touch interface without requiring pen input to do so, since it gets out of whack once and awhile, and for them to consolidate language support into one installation package since License keys are region locked to specific languages and I am proof this policy is stupid, aka gaijin who does not want to deal with the 月語.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Fangz posted:

I have recently discovered Manga Studio's Gradient Map Correction Layers, and it's pretty amazing.

Clip Studio Paint is used for print work *a lot* here in grorious 日本, and I only ever see this used in a very glaringly obvious way when works that were originally B&W printed get fresh reprints with color pages. I agree with Reiley, shading and coloring are different skills entirely, being good at one does not equate to being good at the other, and you will be better at art if you treat them like different things.

Of course, the reason why "Colorist" is a profession in industry is because many artists aren't, so, ymmv.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Avshalom posted:

When I first started drawing my comic I tried to impose puritan boundaries on myself regarding peachy jiggling anuses and characters pissing in their own mouths but now I am so sad that it's just border-to-border undulatory wasteland of bubblegum flesh and warped misshapen jaws connected by arcs of saffron piss (my characters piss out of their anuses because they are female), there's some titties in there too but they're all-natural due to an unavailability of silicone in the world that I have created.

Edited for spelling.

I printed and framed this post.

Content: Dear 2016, I should draw more. Maybe do the comic I want to do. Please give me the time required to pull this off. Love, me.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Scribblehatch posted:

In Japan you can still buy comics in grocery stores and such.

If the same were still true of America (aside from like, Archie) this conversation would be way different.

No only can you, but they sell, sometimes out. That being the operative problem in the states.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

readingatwork posted:

To play devils advocate a bit there's a LOT of cargo cult artistry in the anime genre and weird hair color choice is often a part of that. Blue hair is fine if your character is a punk or you have a very expressive setting/style. However if you're trying to tell a grounded slice of life story about living with cancer it may be a better idea to stick with a more natural palette.

No no you are missing the key point. Artists in Japan use unnatural hair and blah blah blah because they think it's cute.

It just so happens there are six thousand books about 萌え to tell you what is cute in case you didn't know, but, definitely do not accuse anyone of cargo cult artistry because even when you are Hayao Miyazaki, nobody ever gives a gently caress or changes anything.

(With that said, the anime industry has actually had a few breakups into smaller companies recently and there are more art styles making it into anime.)

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

sweeperbravo posted:

One last note and then I'll let this drop if you'd like- You mention "advising people [to do or not do something] based on your own preferences." Unfortunately that's something that's going to come up a lot when people ask for critique online, you're going to get people saying "I don't like that part, I would do this that way, etc etc" and not every criticism you receive is going to be valid.

People should just draw what they want. But what they often want is other peoples acceptance. Critique is only really valid from that perspective, and its far more valuable to just do these two things:

Learn to be super self critical, and how to let go when you've done what you can.

Learn from other art, but only after you have learned how to draw as you.

Most great artists in human history went ignored and undiscovered, largely, during their lifetime. People are more connected now, but expecting anything different blurs the line between vanity and artistry.

Even "bad" artists who enjoy what they do are occasionally appreciated on that merit, so you may as well focus on getting to that point. Everything else will fall into line after that point, one way or another.

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windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

readingatwork posted:

^^^ E: To further be a contrarian rear end I'd argue that most art is at it's core about communication in one way or another. Art carries messages, even if they aren't intentional or are as simple as "these oranges look really good in this lighting". You CAN just make art for yourself if that's what you want, but in most cases you'll want to pay at least some mind to how your work is perceived by others. This is why outside critique is so valuable since it teaches you which artistic decisions communicate well and which don't.

That's not to say that only popular work has value or that you should always try to be liked (quite the opposite actually). I'm just saying that "make art only for yourself" may not always be the best advice.

My point is more that you need a baseline you can get to and be happy with before popularity has value, and relatedly, critique. If you can't get to a baseline that makes you happy, how are you going to fare against John Q. Public?

(This is a position I've taken after watching a lot of people spend a lot of time learning how to draw X, while not learning how to draw.)

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