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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
yeah sometimes my male characters will subtly start growing boobs and I'm like wow, what a happy surprise!

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
sometimes people will pay you a ridiculous amount of money for little to no content, like Aaron Diaz. but that's pretty rare and Diaz still complains about it like a huge baby.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Pick posted:

Ha ha, I know, right? I did two proofs for one of my books and there's still a typo in the acknowledgements :doh:. This time around, I hired an independent proofreader to go over it.




aww man was that my fault? I think I focused more on the story pages and not so much the acknowledgment, lesson learned :(

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Pick posted:

It was a character's name (acknowledging the colorist for the two coloring jobs I hired out), there's no way you could have caught it :v:.

ahh I see! phew my editor soul was dying a little inside haha

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Pick posted:

It's ok, I'll still call on you to look the next one over, with the other as a second backup. Typos are impossibly sneaky :tinfoil:

next time I'll write all the names on post its and stick them on my monitor :cool:

edit: wouldn't pre-censorship just be editing? how do you even censor yourself?

Troposphere fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jul 22, 2015

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
yeah scribblehatch you're going to have to clarify a little bit more about what you mean because it just sounds like you're being bitter about anime tiddies again

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Avshalom posted:

I have trouble with pre-censorship too. From the moment I sit down and my pen touches the tablet, I'm thinking, "Is this decent? Does this concept deserve to be expressed?" As the nib traces the supple curves of my character's fine and fruitful body and my erection quietly swells I wonder, "Am I contributing to the plot with this intense and unapologetic nudity? How does this character's bulging scrotum define his personality? Are these rosy nipples a metaphor for something?" Is this art? Is this a cultural event? Every comic page is an education, a revelation, a red-hot orgasm. How can I deliver yet more nudity into a world already saturated with the wonders of the human figure? Everywhere I turn, another sculpted buttock vies for my attention. Bosoms wobble and pulse, their lines gilded by sunlight. Rigid cocks bristle in the shadows. I reach under the desk and stroke myself thoughtfully as I ponder the dilemma: should I make my character wear clothes or not? Would this scene be better if he were naked? Would the emotional thrust be increased if she was being railed with multiple monstrous vibrators? Will I be slandered all over the internet for offering a tantalising glimpse of exquisitely groomed pubic hair? The drawing unfolds before me and in my agony I erupt like a Krakatoa of cum. There they are! The breasts! My anguish, my ecstacy, my artistic vision, all are unveiled at last. My soul is bared online for all to see, to speculate over, to analyse both intellectually, with their minds, and sexually, with their hands and cocks. I post a link to the update on my Facebook and my mother says it's "interesting."

same

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
yeah chances are people aren't going to give a poo poo unless you're a big name, and if that's the case then you will get called out and either ignore it or hopefully learn something from it

also if you're so dead set on a character being nude all the time why not just go into a genre where it makes sense, like porn comics? I honestly don't understand...no one is stopping you, follow your dreams

Troposphere fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jul 24, 2015

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I don't really know if it works much in the meek anyways (or if anything works much in the meek since it's in apparent permanent limbo) but Angora is never really hyper sexualized or male-gazey, her genitals are usually covered by framing tricks or when she starts wearing pants and her nipples aren't super detailed. it's really all about taste levels imo

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

Censorship and precensorship could indeed be too specific. I didn't mean to make it literally about Lassie's puppies. The analogy is to be adjusted for inflation. I was thinking about the aspect of 'kneejerk' itself.

The whole Green Eggs and Ham thing. Or even worse.. 'Simpsons did it'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDuMp2kDxos

Just that weird malaise that does a lot of damage in pre-production. Back to the Future, at one point, was in this limbo where Disney found the concept too risque to produce, and other studios found it not risque enough to produce! On the internet, no one is stopping you, but the idea of being that limbo-platypus webcomic is still frightening. These are the stories I care to hear about because I have a lot of friends who are still in that boat.

what are you even talking about

you haven't said what content is making people have a knee jerk reaction and maybe we could understand what you're saying if you did? are your friends scared because they have boobies in their comics, or violence, or what? you're being super vague and it's just confusing...

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
what do you guys think of big luscious anime breasts

I'm asking for a friend

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
why would you spend 12 hours building that and then paint over it

why

I'm so confused

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
that's definitely what elsa was missing-- a playboy bunny tatt

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I still can't get over that guy probably spent 12 hours rendering Elsa's labia just so he could paint over it

I don't know if I've ever spent that much time drawing an under sketch for a piece and he's saying it's time efficient

the mental gymnastics required for these series of events is blowing my mind

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
when Elsa sang let it go she was actually talking about her sexual repression and now she likes to suck and gently caress like the rest of us

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Pick posted:

I wonder if any artists here could weigh in on a situation where your character requires foot and hand covering but apparently no underwear. Anyone? Anyone here at all?

what do you mean that's how I dress every day

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I don't think people who make their characters not wear underwear realize how gross vaginas can get

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

FlyinPingu posted:

Stop making posts that make vague vacuous statements that ultimately say nothing.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
it's like talking to a brick wall

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

A little more like tennis.

it's like playing tennis against a brick wall

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Szmitten posted:

And I kinda wish people didn't dogpile Scribblehatch because a) the poo poo you're talking about isn't even in the comic, and b) you are aware that nudism is a real thing that exists that real people do who would give you an earful for thinking their lifestyle choice was sexual or something to be ashamed of? And if he goes in that direction anyway and it clearly isn't cheesecake or pornographic (which I find rich considering the self-pub thread is nothing but) then who gives a poo poo? He's never the one mentioning it.

if his art wasn't cheesecakey in the first place I wouldn't have said anything and he has been incredibly stubborn about it and only replies selectively so it's impossible to have an actual conversation with him

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Scribblehatch posted:

I'm used to people's indifference, when they don't understand something. Apathy. No response. Generally, I think that works better. Something totally out of nowhere, will also go nowhere.


then what's the point of posting it??

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

I don't get how not wanting to talk about something that's a non-issue is being 'incredibly stubborn'. if anything, aren't you being overly insistent?

it's not a non-issue, it's something that taints all of his posts which is why people other than me have called him out on it

but thank you for weighing in, robot titty man

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

THAT'S NOT THE THING I WAS GONNA MAKE A COMIC ABOUT OH MY GOD


please stop trying to tell everyone what subjects they are allowed to draw in your eyes, hope this helps!

people can draw whatever they want, but it is good to be aware that when you put your drawings of robots covered in jizz out into the world for everyone to see, some people will have opinions about it and voice them.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

says the one that tried to completely derail a forum adventure comic into wailing about such things.

there's voicing your opinions and trying to shove them down someone's throat. (nevermind my extreme anti-minimalism)

if you don't like someone coming into an art group and shoving their fetish j/o material down your throat you should just shut up and take it

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Colon Semicolon posted:

Notice how that never happened again
Also notice all it did was prove how easily upset you are over things that aren't even that big a deal.

no you guys my many many binders bursting to the brim full of robots with tits, pussy, rear end, etc, covered in things like motor oil, and semen, are completely normal and good and you're the one that's mad, actually

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

I know it's hard to tell the difference because he sounded exactly like me, but do not be fooled

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Delta Echo posted:

I make gross edits to a drawing that I couldn't / wouldn't do on paper. It's a useful step.

gross edits indeed

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
overnight prints does it real fast and cheap

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

screamname posted:

So I know someone that only likes overly sexual used art.

Anything that's drawn well but has tits, rear end, v-jayjay or penisis on it. Like they say it's funnyeeee, which it is once in a while but every day like a photo from some Instagram "artist" with something sexual on it, but in person, not exactly insatiable. ....

I have interests in art that span lots of genres but to fixate on one type which is seemingly just pornoraphic but can get away with it cause it's cartoon art is that weird?

I'm not a prude, I know it doesn't sound it. But I just wonder what sort of person they really are, is it the person I meet face to face or is he .... not who I think he is?

yes

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
pick is really great at making realistic but still stylized nature backgrounds using photoshop brushes and stuff she makes herself idk if she's posted her process anywhere but it's rad as hell

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

sweeperbravo posted:

Pick in general is pretty rad as hell so it makes sense

truth

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I've made some decent money doing cons and I just do prints and tshirts at the moment. commissions are also good money. the definite main reason to go is to network and hand out your business cards to absolutely everyone and talk to people in the industry. you're kind of paying for the privilege to do that. got my first real comic job that way.

the whole idea behind art being a thing you can make it off of just your online presence is a very new idea. some people may be able to do that but to think everyone can and will is pretty naive. it's a big rear end art ocean out there and you need to take advantage of every possibility you have and sell yourself whenever you can. meeting people in person makes a huge difference.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
someone tells you want they want you to draw, you draw it and usually give it to them before the con is over. I usually price my stuff around $30-$40 flat rate with an extra $10 for more characters which is fairly pricy for a con if you're not well known(you're gonna be competing with other unknowns charging like $5 a piece because people undersell themselves. big names will go up to $100 a piece) but people pay it and I make the pieces big and detailed and I haven't had a dissatisfied customer yet. uninked sketch stuff usually goes for less.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I usually do half upfront half when they pick it up and make sure to get their phone number so I can contact them when it's done

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I've only had one person ever stay there the entire time watching the drawing and it was a preteen who wouldn't shut up about her homestuck OC

sometimes people come and check up on the process but having someone stay the whole time is super rare

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I definitely undersell my commissions at cons (usually I charge by the hour) but I just try and think of it like they came out to see me in person so they get a special for that weekend only discount

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
yeah if you don't have a card reader you're gonna miss out on a bunch of sales

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
you'll pry my unlicensed art prints from my cold dead hands

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Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
don't act like you're above fanworks they are a pretty time honored tradition of cons

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