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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The European's left support for Russia is less support and more oposition to the EU. Weakening the EU and by extension NATO or in other words, preventing their expansion, is why they defend Russia.

This is loving stupid because even this lovely stagnated union has better life conditions than living under Russia's influence, but the "enemy of my enemy" thing is a very real factor in politics and it's hard to take anything the EU or the US does in the name of "humanitarian aid" or peace seriously, specially the since we're doing our best to make sure to ignore the thousands of people drowning in our sea while trying to convince the Ukranian government to raise electricity if they want to bang with Merkel.

DeusExMachinima posted:

Lowest estimate I've heard from Black Book critics is 65 mil, so eh, no biggie I guess. I'm sure you can find me similar numbers in the great post-WW2 first world famine and intellectual purges.

6500 bazillion gatillion deaths and a backwards shithole that was bombed to hell three times in 30 years and had to rebuild all by itself wasn't as decent as a place that was bailed out twice by the strongest economic powerhouse in the world after two wars that suffered comparatively minimal damage. And while every single Soviet citizen who slipped getting out of the shower and died was a consequence of intentional totalitarian Stalinist bloodlust the millions who starve to death every year in IMF-ruined countries die because that's nature way of killing the little negritos and yellow mans, there's no structural failure there at all.

nevermind most of latin america, Iberia and Greece being stuck in time and space for most of the cold war because they wanted their countries to be more than a conglomerate of banana republics, Mao being BFF with the US (but still being considered a communist for that sweet kill tally), the Khmer Rouge's reign of western-backed terror only ending when a socialist army liberated the country (while suffering a sneak attack by China) or decades of murders of socialists, feminists or even moderate-liberals in Africa and the Middle East, whose main consequence was legitimizing the Islamic forces as the only good alternative or bombing the poo poo out of anti-colonialist states until they became western alligned and suddendly all their evil doings were forgiven (funny how relations between the west and Angola's MPLA went).


but yeah we're totally chill here in western europe, just don't mess with banana prices or we'll put you in a civil war for thirty years. But our city centers are lovely and you should visit them sometime (hell, now that kicked most working class people to the suburbs you can basically see the beautiful centers without being bothered by the uncultured poors that lived there!).


Dilkington posted:

I'm being ironic. I don't endorse fascism or Eurasian empire. I'm playacting as a reminder that the struggle against western liberalism is not exclusively a leftist project, and to suggest that contemporary leftists be wary of these kinds of alliances à la the Tudeh Party.

I was also fishing to see how Dugin's offer would be received.
This is true and a lot of people in their struggle to fight against the west completely trample over any autonomy or intentions of the non-western actor. Instead of not wanting a war in the east due to obama and putin dickwaving or wanting a peaceful solution in the I\P debate or wanting a better but non-neoliberal Venezuela they straight up turn the Other into an actor that is devoid of autonomy and is merely a victim of chances, where their documented faults are merely western propaganda and that western pressure is the only thing causing misery and hearthache.

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