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Aliquid posted:That's actually a stupid statement, not a troll. I know.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Money and power don't mean poo poo when it's a RICO case. Well, it's more complicated. It means when the Justice Department wants to go after someone they can, but I don't think the existence of the law makes them go after everyone they could.
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May 27, 2015 18:23
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Xandu posted:Well, it's more complicated. It means when the Justice Department wants to go after someone they can, but I don't think the existence of the law makes them go after everyone they could. Obviously or the credit rating agencies would have been brought up on charges by now.
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May 27, 2015 18:24
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PupsOfWar posted:But can we use this as causus belli versus Europe? Of course not, all of Europe is extremely grateful that you guys are taking on FIFA and Blatter. Sadly, we didn't dare/were unable to do it ourselves.
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May 27, 2015 18:42
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So UEFA just called for FIFA to postpone their presidential election, which seems like a pretty big deal. Out of curiosity, what's UEFA's reputation like in terms of corruption?
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May 27, 2015 18:46
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Torrannor posted:Of course not, all of Europe is extremely grateful that you guys are taking on FIFA and Blatter. Sadly, we didn't dare/were unable to do it ourselves. I reckon it's only the Americans can do it because their local football federation has no influence whatsoever in Washington. Still and all, it's a positive glimmer from the New World. Which is rare enough to be congratulated.
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Xandu posted:Well, it's more complicated. It means when the Justice Department wants to go after someone they can, but I don't think the existence of the law makes them go after everyone they could. Yeah the important lesson here is that if charges like this are actually filed yer hosed. But it is also telling that this seems like a case protecting America's big banks, even if it is superficially an attack on corrupt executives.
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https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/603618050248704001quote:Sky Sources: Swiss nationals working for Fifa including Sepp Blatter told by investigators they can't leave Switzerland until further notice  Switzerland doesn't extradite its citizens, but considering there's a joint Swiss investigation going on, this seems fairly ominous.
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May 27, 2015 18:55
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Please tell me Friday's election requires Sepp to be present somewhere else Actually don't, it'll be much funnier if he's reelected two days before the indictment's unsealed
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May 27, 2015 18:58
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Oh my  :http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/executive-committee/news/newsid=2252026.html quote:The UEFA Executive Committee met today in Warsaw and issued the following statement:
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Best news I've read with my morning coffee in a long time. More like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nldpjPbGqg
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May 27, 2015 19:05
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May 27, 2015 19:07
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Aliquid posted:That's actually a stupid statement, not a troll. Why is that stupid?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:So UEFA just called for FIFA to postpone their presidential election, which seems like a pretty big deal. They're all bent as well but less likely to use American banks. Platini got a Picasso from Putin pre 2018 bidding, and his son works for the Qatar owned PSG
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May 27, 2015 19:37
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So it's more like "we like our corruption more than your corruption  "
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May 27, 2015 19:58
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:B: lukewarm national sentiment towards soccer. If this were the UK or Germany for example then FIFA could threaten to ban them from International competition as effective leverage 'Lukewarm' is wildly optimistic, try utter apathy. If you guys want to return the favor and investigate our sports leagues that would be great; sadly I doubt any of them used your banks.
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Family Values posted:'Lukewarm' is wildly optimistic, try utter apathy. If you guys want to return the favor and investigate our sports leagues that would be great; sadly I doubt any of them used your banks. Also an EU-led investigation of the NFL would probably be casus belli. The national guard would be mustered. In any case, the sentiment common to my European friends re: FIFA is basically "burn the fuckers" and that this is the best American global initiative since WWII. tirinal fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 20:53
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Taking down organized soccer and holding the Russian hordes at bay; weird tricks for earning goodwill in Europe.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/603618050248704001 This is not true, they simply reserve the right to refuse extradition and prosecute the individual(s) in Switzerland. This is also not terribly rare, along with refusing to extradite if the person faces the death penalty (I believe?) or for political offenses or crimes not recognized by Switzerland. e: see: https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/sicherheit/rechtshilfe/strafsachen/auslieferung/auslieferung-e.pdf tsa fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 27, 2015 |
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May 27, 2015 21:42
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I wonder if civil asset forfeiture is going to come into play here.
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So what power does FIFA have? What if European (and I guess US) teams just refuse to play in FIFA sponsored games etc, and do their own thing? Won't that effectively end FIFA? Then obviously the UEFA will take up the mantle and host a new "world cup."
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May 27, 2015 22:12
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:It's sadly hilarious that the best target Obama can find for his lame duck crusade is FIFA corruption. It's hilariously sad that FIFA, simultaneously, warrants it. We could've slapped around the IOC just as readily, but FIFA has more money and arguably deserves it more. Edit: This is how loving ridiculous FIFA was: Chuck Blazer, the American who's plead guilty to corruption and is cooperating with the FBI, kept a $6000/month apartment in Manhattan for just his cats. Zeroisanumber fucked around with this message at 22:17 on May 27, 2015 |
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I like how FIFA's official stance is "we welcome this" because they know they would get immolated in star spangled justice if they fought it.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I like how FIFA's official stance is "we welcome this" because they know they would get immolated in star spangled justice if they fought it. The problem is selling out these guys only makes it more likely they'll turn on FIFA, though maybe they figured that would happen anyway.
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May 27, 2015 22:41
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There must be some insane damage control going on behind closed doors as FIFA realizes that there's literally nothing they can threaten the US with (What? Banned from the World Cup? gently caress you, just for that here's more charges)
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May 27, 2015 22:49
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pentyne posted:There must be some insane damage control going on behind closed doors as FIFA realizes that there's literally nothing they can threaten the US with (What? Banned from the World Cup? gently caress you, just for that here's more charges) I actually more suspect everyone's terrified to talk to anyone else, for fear that person will get indicted and flip.
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evilweasel posted:I actually more suspect everyone's terrified to talk to anyone else, for fear that person will get indicted and flip. Or getting ready to flip. If it were me, I'd be assembling paperwork and counting how many scalps I can hand to the FBI in order to save my own.
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pentyne posted:There must be some insane damage control going on behind closed doors as FIFA realizes that there's literally nothing they can threaten the US with (What? Banned from the World Cup? gently caress you, just for that here's more charges) Do you see who they keep pairing us with in the group stages? What else can they threaten?
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So I take it the situation in Europe was that everyone knew this poo poo was going on, but didn't or didn't want to do anything about it? How did the organization start its slipslide into becoming the corrupt entity it is now anyways?
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The NYTimes has published a handy graphic that shows who at FIFA has been indicted/plead guilty and where they fit in the hierarchy. How the Indicted Officials Fit Into FIFA
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This is loving insane and fantastic at the same time. I've always wondered if there is a way to eliminate the current crooked management of FIFA, but I'd never thought the Americans would boldly take on the challenge. The RICO deal sounds quite bad as well... FBI and the Swiss guys would not have gone for such high profile arrests if they didn't have enough dirt to lock these guys away. The only question is, do they have some dirt on Blatter as well? Because seeing that guy behind bars would be the greatest thing that ever happened in football.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah the important lesson here is that if charges like this are actually filed yer hosed. But it is also telling that this seems like a case protecting America's big banks, even if it is superficially an attack on corrupt executives. It doesn't sound like the banks did anything criminal or even unseemly in this case (that's something I don't say every day), they're just doing their usual thing of moving money between accounts. So I believe Bank of America or whoever didn't know any more about the transactions than any other that its clients were making, but American laws govern transactions made through those banks. Also if anyone's already pled guilty, they did so before being arrested and were actively assisting the investigation in exchange for a lighter sentence. So there's probably recordings of some of the juicer stuff including things that may not be under American jurisdiction but could be prosecuted elsewhere.
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Business Gorillas posted:Any reasons why they aren't going after European officials, or is this the first round and they're gonna wait for people to flip before we start extraditing European nationals? I assume that they'd rather hit the people with stronger ties to the US first, then go after the Europeans if Europe doesn't get its act together. They don't want to risk going after people who are only weakly related to the US in the initial wave because that would invite people to try to challenge jurisdiction. I also assume they're looking to nail Blatter but want one of the current targets to flip to get solid enough evidence.
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OhYeah posted:This is loving insane and fantastic at the same time. I've always wondered if there is a way to eliminate the current crooked management of FIFA, but I'd never thought the Americans would boldly take on the challenge. The RICO deal sounds quite bad as well... FBI and the Swiss guys would not have gone for such high profile arrests if they didn't have enough dirt to lock these guys away. 93% conviction rate. quote:The only question is, do they have some dirt on Blatter as well? Because seeing that guy behind bars would be the greatest thing that ever happened in football. If they don't right now they probably will soon enough once everyone starts jockeying to save their own asses.
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Mercury_Storm posted:So I take it the situation in Europe was that everyone knew this poo poo was going on, but didn't or didn't want to do anything about it? How did the organization start its slipslide into becoming the corrupt entity it is now anyways? Yes. Obviously FIFA couldn't outright say "Drop it or you'll be banned from the world cup" but their influence over football is so massive that any country that cares about it has to play along and wait their turn to bribe the officials.
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Business Gorillas posted:Any reasons why they aren't going after European officials, or is this the first round and they're gonna wait for people to flip before we start extraditing European nationals? most of the evidence they have seems to be transactions using US banks and assets, which comes more naturally to the americans than the europeans - FIFA being based at this time in a country known for its shady banking practices, it seems reasonable to assume that most european shady poo poo would go through those instead of course the big man himself has likely insulated himself quite thoroughly, but who knows? the swiss investigation might actually bring him down. he only has to be careless once, after all
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Business Gorillas posted:Any reasons why they aren't going after European officials, or is this the first round and they're gonna wait for people to flip before we start extraditing European nationals? It's just the preliminaries at this point. Once enough of these bastards roll (and since RICO is literally the law used to break Mafia crime families, they'll roll) the Euros will get their turn.
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