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Xandu posted:Well, it's more complicated. It means when the Justice Department wants to go after someone they can, but I don't think the existence of the law makes them go after everyone they could. Yeah the important lesson here is that if charges like this are actually filed yer hosed. But it is also telling that this seems like a case protecting America's big banks, even if it is superficially an attack on corrupt executives.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:It doesn't sound like the banks did anything criminal or even unseemly in this case (that's something I don't say every day), they're just doing their usual thing of moving money between accounts. So I believe Bank of America or whoever didn't know any more about the transactions than any other that its clients were making, but American laws govern transactions made through those banks. Right. I just meant more that this is basically the only way the American DOJ could prosecute a high-profile executive without actually harming any American interests -- i.e., go after what is essentially foreign corruption on U.S. soil. It's a good step but it's also a way to score points for attacking corruption without actually attacking any domestic corruption. Said another way, FIFA executives aren't going to be contributing to any American political campaigns, and the American economy won't implode if they're prosecuted.
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awesome-express posted:so what you're saying is the EU should handle America's corruption cases Would make me ecstatic Start with prosecuting Cheney for war crimes
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School Nickname posted:Some dumb poo poo I know claims that since FIFA is a private company it can claim all this is legit business and get away with it (Guy's a 1000% cynic, still bitches though). I feel that his poo poo is dumb, but know gently caress all about how orgs like FIFA are treated. The justice dept. lawyers are not dudes in a bar. Federal prosecutors have a 93% conviction rate, and are promoted based on conviction rate. They don't bring charges unless they already have every single i dotted and t crossed.
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May 28, 2015 02:17
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Another element here is that these are Europeans facing american jail sentences. Criminal, not civil. They'll plead out but even their pleas will be more severe sentences than anything they would face in Europe.
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May 28, 2015 02:25
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pentyne posted:How's the European reaction to this? Talking heads and media figures have railed against FIFA for years but the governments have never done anything about it. I had the same question so I decided to look up what the Daily Mail was saying. quote:James Comey, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, stood at the podium, an upright, imposing figure, and delivered a message of purest hope. ‘This may be the way things are,’ he said, ‘but this is not the way things have to be.’ He sounded, for a moment, like Gary Cooper. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3100058/Sepp-Blatter-hard-nail-Osama-Bin-Laden-t-FIFA-s-president-bullet.html They're literally going full-on Frank Capra mode. More tellingly, the comments go from "they're mad they didn't get the bids" conspiracy on the one hand, to "why did this take so long?" and "God Bless America" on the other. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 12:53 on May 28, 2015 |
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May 28, 2015 12:49
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A Winner is Jew posted:Think of it like the SEC/FTC levying fines is the UN issuing strongly worded statements on a country, the DOJ bringing charges is the US invading a country, and the DOJ using RICO is the US saying YOLO and nuking every square inch of a country. Yeah, one thing that foreigners may be having a difficult time realizing is that if the DOJ is going after you you really are hosed. The system is massively unfair even against people who are actually innocent. When you're this guilty and this stupid, too? It's over. These guys are getting to see the "highest incarceration rate in the world" side of America. These white corporate executives are about to be legally tried as if they were poor minorities.
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Xandu posted:I wonder what changed. Moved past denial into bargaining is my guess.
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