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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Yannick_B posted:

I honestly believe it's because Scott Snyder is trying to see what DC will let him get away with.

Well apparently he's hinted Cassandra Cain is coming back, so making Commissioner Gordon Batbunny is small potatoes in comparison.

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Genetic Toaster posted:

Haven't heard anyone talking about Secret Six at all, which is understandable because it's been delayed for ages, isn't a relaunch, and is Gail Simone as gently caress, but this issue was actually pretty interesting.

Especially because one of the Six turned out to actually be Ralph Dibny. And also because New DCU Sue is still dead. Can't wait for Simone to explain that one. :v:

Why would they do this terrible thing?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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I'll be honest I can't bring myself to care about the Lois & Clark series. I wanted to see them on their native earth goddamnit!

I want the old DCU back. :smith:

I mean, I love Gotham Academy & Prez, but that seems like the only DC books I'm actually buying.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Space Fish posted:

Legend Of Scholastic Heroes
:downs:

Are they allies of the Tandy Computer Wiz-Kids?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Rhyno posted:

He's not even the real Tim. He's just a temporal copy from an aborted timeline.

And the 'real Tim' isn't actually Tim Drake. Thanks, Lobdell!

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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DrProsek posted:

They both came back in 2005, with Bucky coming back in January and Jason coming back that February.

So close enough together that it's probably a weird coincidence rather than outright plagiarism.

Athough Bucky coming back was, I think we can all agree (DT excepted) handled far better.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

I can't tell I'm stoked for the Joker's Daughter but I'm [b]willing to give Lobdell the benefit of the doubt[/i] and see where is going with the idea before passing judgement. If nothing else is going to be interesting to see Jason interact with the "legacy" of the man who killed him.

Why? What actually good comic has he ever written?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Endless Mike posted:

Generation X :colbert:

Ok, what's he done recently that's good? I've gotten DT's perspective, but I want a second opinion.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Darth Nat posted:

Let's be fair, the pre-Flashpoint stuff in Convergence probably would have gone over better if 90% of them hadn't looked and read like they were shat out in a weekend.

I dunno, I think there were some where the writers were at least passionate about the characters, going from interviews. Speed Force comes to mind in that sense, ditto Superman (and, of course, The Question). But some of other writers...yeah. Looking at you, Alisa Kwitney!

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Rhyno posted:

Oh I agree but BSS is that weird place that loves Prez and hates Dan Slott.

We may be weird, but we're right, dammit! :colbert:

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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lotus circle posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if Cass, at the least, gets a book. They're reprinting trades of her original ongoing in 2016 so they clearly want to capitalize on her in some big way. She's already been more critical to B&R Eternal's story than Stephanie was in the original Eternal.

I don't think we'll get a Batgirl show though. Batman is one of those things they seem intent on keeping in the movies. Supposedly that Titans show will still happen and feature both Dick and Barbara (Oracle version) but who knows when that will be out.

Great Scott!

Die Laughing posted:

I actually don't blame DC for gutting the Flash line. I do blame them for not using that to make the comic like the tv show. Either cater to the hardcore comic crowd or the mainstream. DC managed to make nobody happy.

Except isn't TV show Barry pretty much Wally West anyway?



Also, wow, it seems like half of the #50 issues are 'don't worry, everything is back to normal! The characters you recognise are back! Status quo is more-or-less restored!' That's a bit on-the-nose, isn't it?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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TwoPair posted:

I think? IIRC the Injustice timeline is 5 years behind the game so this should be either the game's plot or spoiler alert: this year of comics ends with a bunch of alt-Justice Leaguers popping into the universe.

It was five years behind, but we're now on Year Five.


bobkatt013 posted:

I was wondering how the Perez Wonder Women is? Is it worth a read! Does it hold up?

Dario the Wop posted:

Better than Byrne Superman (and I adore that poo poo). Perez spends more time actually crafting WW and her world, rather than Byrne's bizarre need to deconstruct Supes somehow (i.e. murder, mind-control porn, intimidating people). Complaints about her lack of villains are made by those that haven't seen this run - first fifteen issues features Decay, Cheetah, Silver Swan, plus Ares and the Greek pantheon. Not to mention they show WW settling into Boston as her home base, with media coverage and public reactions. She even gets a publicist.

I've always wanted to read Perez's Wondy. It's a shame that DC haven't got their own Unlimited-style service for people to read their old back catalogue.

Although I've been hearing good things about Renae De Liz's Legend of Wonder Woman, the current digital series. Can anyone corroborate that?

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Oh no, the nineties have come back to exact their revenge!

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Barry Convex posted:

Nah, look at how Brightest Day and Generation Lost ended. It definitely wasn't planned well in advance.

Also Gates of Gotham.

I wanted to see Cass back in Gotham fulltime (and dating Tim), dammit.

Also it would be ind of hilarious if they reintroduce Cass into continuity with B&R Eternal just to reboot the universe AGAIN right after.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Feb 3, 2016

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Squizzle posted:

gazowie folks, writing this Wild Dog event is some tough work, it's taking a lot out of me

I might need someone to step in and take over one of the other series, like the Raker Qarrigat/Chronos (Gabriel Walker) buddy adventures series where every single issue is a heist story of the guys trying to steal extra seconds from the timeline so they can keep stretching Raker's 24-hour charge

it's a fun comic book but Wild Dog must come first, he is the heart of the DC Entertainment universe

I am willing to take over the Cassandra Cain/Tim Drake series. It'll be the only one where the big romantic moments & the beating up of ninjas are in the same scene.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Squizzle posted:

I'm picturing Steed/Peel The Avengers in Color-era crossed with '70s/'80s "New York is a grimy hell" crime films, with an intentional lack of effort to smooth out the fit between genres. Also, the leads are costumed teenagers, the fight choreography is all stolen from Hong Kong action films, and sometimes people have superpowers.

WHO SHOWED YOU MY FANFICSNOTES?! :tinfoil:

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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The real question is going to be, is what happens to Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain? These are important questions.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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WickedHate posted:

Stephanie Brown is so generic and uninteresting imo. I've always been sore she stole the Batgirl moniker from Cassandra, she's just Blonde Barbara.

As I recall DC didn't want it to be Steph, just Not Cass. They were originally going make make Misfit (the Batgirl wannabe who was absolutely terrible in Birds of Prey) the new Batgirl until Gail Simone wrote them a letter outlining why that was a terrible idea. They literally wanted to have a Batgirl who was essentially a carbon-copy of Babs in appearance before going 'gently caress it' and literally making Babs Batgirl with the reboot.

Also, Steph & Cass were good buddies, it makes sense Cass would hand over the title to her over anyone else.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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BrianWilly posted:

DC did wrong by Cassandra Cain. So very wrong. Their terrible treatment of Cass and other characters like her is the sort of legendary trainwreck that could scarcely be believed without having been there to witness it firsthand, as we all did.

But being unthinkingly, stubbornly attached to the idea of Cassandra Cain as Batgirl is not really that different from an unthinking stubborn attachment to Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. The title can be passed on. Characters can change and adopt other titles. It's not always a bad thing. Treating it as a bad thing, being idiotically fixated on certain iconic things having to be certain iconic ways, is part of why the DC legacy narrative practically got wiped from existence and is such a giant incomprehensible mess right now.

:agreed:

I've got no problem with how things ultimately shook out right before Flashpoint in the Batfamily, except maybe the 'death' of Oracle. It absolutely sucked how we got to that point, but it seemed like that would been a great status quo - Cass back in Gotham & maybe dating Tim (that seemed to be where Snyder was going in Gates of Gotham), Steph as Batgirl, & Tim as Red Robin. It seemed like that would be a nice set of interconnected Batbooks. Of course, then Barry Allen ruined everything. BARRY! :argh:

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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Die Laughing posted:

Nobody dislikes her. They just thought they could do better with a different Batgirl, and that Cassandra could carry on as her own character. Good intentions can look like malice when incompetence is involved.

Cass Cain would have been cool in Grayson as a SPYRAL agent or something. How's she doing in B&R Eternal?

Except for that part where they editorially mandated her to be a villain in Adam Beechen's Robin (Adam Beechen also knew nothing about Cassandra Cain), when her role in that story could have very easily been filled by Nyssa Al-Ghul as 'villain who wants Robin to get on the murder train', only she got killed off at the outset because...reasons. And then put Adam Beechen, who still didn't know anything about Cassandra Cain, in charge of a miniseries supposed to 'fix' the character. Right about when it seemed like she was about to get back on track as a member of the Batfamily in Gotham again, they rebooted the universe and refused to allow her back for years - Harper Row exists because they wouldn't let the writers use Cassandra, for example.

And then Cassandra was criminally wasted in the Convergence: Batgirl miniseries by, again, another writer who didn't really understand her.

I'm hearig a lot of good things about B&R Eternal, but considering we have Rebirth coming up, who knows what'll happen to Cass then?

I am angry. ANGRY ABOUT BATGIRLS. :argh:

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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MonsterEnvy posted:

Also that they still call themselves Heroes for hire is stupid as hell.

They're opening themselves up to a lawsuit from Luke Cage & Danny Rand, for one thing.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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DrProsek posted:

IIRC the creative team for BB did an interview where they said their goal for the series was to sell us on Tim Drake as a solo hero... by quarantining him off into his own corner of the DC world and giving him the armor of two different Batmans who aren't him.

Hey, they sold me on Tim Drake as a solo hero back with Chuck Dixon's run on Robin & later Fabian Nicieza's run Red Robin.

Of course, then they rebooted the universe and erased that from continuity, and then replaced Tim with another character who happened to use his name as an alias, so I guess they decided to start from scratch.

AlmightyBob posted:

Head to twitter right now if you wanna see nerds get mad that The Killing Joke is getting retconned out
DC should have just erased it from continuity back in the New 52. I mean, what exactly did it add to Batgirl's story, if she's no longer Oracle?

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

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DC Rebirth: Oh no, not again.

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