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ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Arcsquad12 posted:

The CGI in Titan A.E came in two flavours: the acceptable but dated starships, and the "what the gently caress were they thinking?" Drej monstrosities.

That alien on the far right is what most of the movie looks like, just for comparison. It's a shame, because as far as rotoscoping goes, the rest of the film has got some really pretty character animation that is let down by a bunch of bad decisions regarding art direction.

IMO, a lot of the CGI looked weird when juxtaposed with the traditional animation, but on its own (especially for the time), it's pretty loving incredible. Although the music choices could be pretty bizarre.

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EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
This is Peter Rabbit , on Nickelodeon in the US and Ceebeebies in the UK.

The more I watch this the more I'm convinced it's made with a videogame engine. The texture resolution is relatively low, there's no variation in surface reflectivity, there's patchy simulated grass, you can see tessellation in some of the models, etc.

I think it's actually a pretty clever, very cheap way to make cartoons, even if it does look like a PS3 game. Assuming it is made in a game engine, but I'd be surprised if no one had thought of this, given the power of something like the latest Unreal engine.

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

EvilGenius posted:

This is Peter Rabbit , on Nickelodeon in the US and Ceebeebies in the UK.

The more I watch this the more I'm convinced it's made with a videogame engine. The texture resolution is relatively low, there's no variation in surface reflectivity, there's patchy simulated grass, you can see tessellation in some of the models, etc.

I think it's actually a pretty clever, very cheap way to make cartoons, even if it does look like a PS3 game. Assuming it is made in a game engine, but I'd be surprised if no one had thought of this, given the power of something like the latest Unreal engine.

I doubt it. All the assets and animation still have to be created in 3d modelling apps. Nothing has to be rendered in real-time (which is the whole point of a game engine).

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
I know that at one point Lorne Lanning was talking about following up Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath with a new game that would have a tie-in television show that used the game's assets to save money, but nothing ever came of it.

Also once years ago some people at Epic made a fake teaser trailer for an effects test where they did the Sin City/300 thing with live actors in front of backgrounds that were rendered in the Unreal engine but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012

This music video won the 1993 MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o

Bluemillion
Aug 18, 2008

I got your dispensers
right here

GorfZaplen posted:

This music video won the 1993 MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o

Note: May actually be loving awesome.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002
Yeah that video still completely rules

Celery Face
Feb 18, 2012
I watched a bit of this as a kid and somehow wasn't terrified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKQhVzqXy4

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



GorfZaplen posted:

This music video won the 1993 MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o

This rocks. Not as hard as Sledgehammer (which is imo the best music video ever made) but still.

Velocity Raptor
Jul 27, 2007

I MADE A PROMISE
I'LL DO ANYTHING
There was a Cryptkeeper spinoff that was a kid's gameshow. The set pieces were mostly conventional, but this was a gameshow in the 90s for kids, so of course they shoe-horned CGI in there.

e: hah, there's even a Seinfeld question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKBkp9DoXaI&t=102s

Velocity Raptor has a new favorite as of 04:07 on Jul 20, 2015

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

GorfZaplen posted:

This music video won the 1993 MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o

When I started this thread I couldn't have imagined it would end up giving me a man crush on Peter Gabriel.

Celery Face posted:

I watched a bit of this as a kid and somehow wasn't terrified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKQhVzqXy4

A kiddie ride of one these little turds is sat outside a supermarket near me, and I always wondered what it was from.

EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 21:27 on Jul 20, 2015

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



This immediately sprung to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs-myQ-ZqmE

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

"Jedi Rocks" is in my opinion the most offensive CGI atrocity in the 1997 Star Wars re-release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzZOgLH4KU

Everything about it is utterly jarring and at odds with the mood and visual aesthetic of the original film, especially the bizarre in-your-face close-ups of the cartoon character's mouths - it's like something out of The Mask.





I know this is a late response, but holy poo poo -- I was beginning to think I dreamed that scene or something. :aaa: When you Google "star wars bar song" you get the Cantina song, so I couldn't find any evidence that this scene actually existed for 18 years.

f#a#
Sep 6, 2004

I can't promise it will live up to the hype, but I tried my best.

Twanki posted:

Holy crap, that reminds me of this incredibly obscure cartoon that showed up in the early 90's.
I knew there was something odd about the weird way some of the characters movements had this strange smoothness to them, any ideas what kind of techniques were used?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ek076NK6Rw

Fyadophobic posted:

I would be really interested to see how this was made. It definitely has a digital look too it; I'm curious to see how exactly they did all the skewing and scaling for this type of thing in 1992. There is very little from so early that looks as Flash-like as that.

Wanted to follow up on this one. Yeah, there's definitely digital production in these clips. Most likely, the production studio was using Antics, the premier animation software before Macromedia hit the big time. Even by the 70s, it had camera control, articulated character animation, and tween/scale controls for everything (if you don't know what tweening is, here you go).

Check out the close-up of the polar bear at 2:12. If you ignore the camera sway, they're probably doing a full-body tween between about seven keyframes of the bear (the head might have been articulated there, it's difficult to tell). In that shot, all the tweens are eased linearly, meaning it's just steady motion from one keyframe to the next. Gives it that kind of uneasy smoothness to the motion. Linear tweens are pretty good for some motion, though. When they're walking through the desert at 1:30, they just place the bear's walk cycle at one end, move and scale it to the other end, and tween all that linearly, and bam, you've got a character walking at a steady pace to the background.

Some of the other characters are obviously a lot more intricate and walk around. For those, you're mostly using traditional frame animation. I'd also venture a guess that Antics didn't have easing methods for tweens back in the day, so you lose out on a lot of versatility there.

For more reading, here are some early publications detailing Antics' functionalities.


e: vvv speak for yourself, my parents bought me creature shock in '94 and this scarred me for life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZ8fco2cHE&t=44s

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DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

They changed that scene and made a new song because Lucas thought the original looked and sounded too dated. Okay, sure, the puppets were kind of lovely and the version of "Lapti Nek" in the original film was kind of sloppy (which fits, considering the fact it was supposed to be a bunch of shady aliens performing the song live at Jabba's palace) but I'll still take them over... that poo poo.

Here's the soundtrack version which sounds a lot tighter and, of course, isn't on any soundtrack album from the last 20 years (edit: oh, apparently it is on the "Complete Score" OST from 2008):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6J5EqFXErE


Actual content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huhzart631E

Resident Evil 2's intro was scary as poo poo when I was 11 years old in 1998. I was a complete wuss of a kid, but I don't know how this ever freaked me out in the slightest.

DMorbid has a new favorite as of 23:32 on Jul 20, 2015

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


The intros to the two first Carmageddon games are spectacularly low-budget and janky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyWFX0FPhOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrYDSwD_gk

I know the games were made on relatively low budgets, and thankfully most of the effort was spent on the gameplay instead of the videos. The intro to the first game is actually kinda well thought out and reasonably well framed and paced and the use of "Zero Signal" as the soundtrack is brilliant, but the animation just feels so drat janky. The intro to the second game is just poo poo.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

The CGI does look pretty lovely now, but I think both of those do a pretty good job showing you what the game is all about. The first game's intro is definitely better, but I think 2's could have been pretty cool if they'd used one of the Iron Maiden songs that play during the gameplay.

The cutscenes from Interstate '76 have already been posted, but who remembers that there was a sequel? The CGI got a bit of an upgrade, but... yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpi3c1g634

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

f#a# posted:

Wanted to follow up on this one. Yeah, there's definitely digital production in these clips. Most likely, the production studio was using Antics, the premier animation software before Macromedia hit the big time. Even by the 70s, it had camera control, articulated character animation, and tween/scale controls for everything (if you don't know what tweening is, here you go).

Check out the close-up of the polar bear at 2:12. If you ignore the camera sway, they're probably doing a full-body tween between about seven keyframes of the bear (the head might have been articulated there, it's difficult to tell). In that shot, all the tweens are eased linearly, meaning it's just steady motion from one keyframe to the next. Gives it that kind of uneasy smoothness to the motion. Linear tweens are pretty good for some motion, though. When they're walking through the desert at 1:30, they just place the bear's walk cycle at one end, move and scale it to the other end, and tween all that linearly, and bam, you've got a character walking at a steady pace to the background.

Some of the other characters are obviously a lot more intricate and walk around. For those, you're mostly using traditional frame animation. I'd also venture a guess that Antics didn't have easing methods for tweens back in the day, so you lose out on a lot of versatility there.

For more reading, here are some early publications detailing Antics' functionalities.

Cool stuff. Gonna search for more of this stuff now.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

Doc Morbid posted:

The CGI does look pretty lovely now, but I think both of those do a pretty good job showing you what the game is all about. The first game's intro is definitely better, but I think 2's could have been pretty cool if they'd used one of the Iron Maiden songs that play during the gameplay.

The cutscenes from Interstate '76 have already been posted, but who remembers that there was a sequel? The CGI got a bit of an upgrade, but... yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpi3c1g634

That's utterly charmless. Interstate '76 had a rad style in the cutscenes.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
It's in fitting with the 80s being charmless.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Since I started playing this game last night I might as well post this gem of pre-2000 CGI wizardry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukQNO5wJtEA

dads_work_files
May 14, 2008

important_document.avi

GorfZaplen posted:

This music video won the 1993 MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o

I forgot how much Peter Gabriel's CGI head at like 3:36 looks like a Half Life 2 character. Love the bit where the textures bug out.

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

"Jedi Rocks" is in my opinion the most offensive CGI atrocity in the 1997 Star Wars re-release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzZOgLH4KU

Everything about it is utterly jarring and at odds with the mood and visual aesthetic of the original film, especially the bizarre in-your-face close-ups of the cartoon character's mouths - it's like something out of The Mask.





What the christ is any of that.

What did the original scene look like? Did it include any of that?

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

MinistryofLard posted:

What the christ is any of that.

What did the original scene look like? Did it include any of that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjFjp8Fm6U

The singer is still there, only as a charmingly janky puppet instead of a CGI disaster. The song is 1000 times better. It's atmospheric, not attention-grabbing.

One thing I can't believe they never changed in the special editions is the part where the Twi'lek's boob comes out when she's struggling against Jabba.

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

ALFbrot posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjFjp8Fm6U

The singer is still there, only as a charmingly janky puppet instead of a CGI disaster. The song is 1000 times better. It's atmospheric, not attention-grabbing.

One thing I can't believe they never changed in the special editions is the part where the Twi'lek's boob comes out when she's struggling against Jabba.

And importantly the old scene is almost half the length of the new one.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

ALFbrot posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjFjp8Fm6U

The singer is still there, only as a charmingly janky puppet instead of a CGI disaster. The song is 1000 times better. It's atmospheric, not attention-grabbing.

One thing I can't believe they never changed in the special editions is the part where the Twi'lek's boob comes out when she's struggling against Jabba.

Sigh. The original scene is perfect. They sound exactly like you'd expect a band that's played hundreds of rough-as-gently caress space bars to sound.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

"Jedi Rocks" is in my opinion the most offensive CGI atrocity in the 1997 Star Wars re-release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzZOgLH4KU

Everything about it is utterly jarring and at odds with the mood and visual aesthetic of the original film, especially the bizarre in-your-face close-ups of the cartoon character's mouths - it's like something out of The Mask.





Perfect example of why I will never ever watch any of the re-release bullshit Lucas squeezed out

The original 3 were the only ones I ever saw and probably ever will

And that CGI looks like a childrens cartoon

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Season 3 of the CGI Clone Wars show brought back Sy Snootles singing a Huttese version of Anything Goes from Temple of Doom.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

Babylon 5, in all it's terrible glory.

I know they were working on a low budget, and doing the best they could with what they had, and that the overall quality of the show made all the bad SFX and CGI worth it... but man, it was bad then, and it only gets worse every time I see it.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


I will never miss a chance to post this loving thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Lest we forget Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future from 1988 - one of the earliest attempts to marry CG with live action on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCf3hiCSr_U

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

rndmnmbr posted:

Babylon 5, in all it's terrible glory.

I know they were working on a low budget, and doing the best they could with what they had, and that the overall quality of the show made all the bad SFX and CGI worth it... but man, it was bad then, and it only gets worse every time I see it.

The pilot movie The Gathering is god awful, and has the worst CGI of all, in addition to some of the worst TV acting I've ever seen. If that's all they had to go on I have to believe most networks would've passed on it, but back in the early 90s Fox was actually trying really hard to support bold new sci-fi TV.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



rndmnmbr posted:

Babylon 5, in all it's terrible glory.

I know they were working on a low budget, and doing the best they could with what they had, and that the overall quality of the show made all the bad SFX and CGI worth it... but man, it was bad then, and it only gets worse every time I see it.

Description says that's a fan render made on a Pentium MMX in 1998. I don't remember the show being anywhere near that bad.

Time to see if it's on Netflix.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

Hakkesshu posted:

I will never miss a chance to post this loving thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4

This is the funniest god drat thing

Grraarrgghh
Feb 12, 2012

"Bernard, float over here so I can punch you."


Not a whole boatload, but much like Gabriel's Steam, the song saves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhhQZK6Ztqs

They had a pretty dope 80s dope stop-motion video too.

Grraarrgghh has a new favorite as of 02:34 on Jul 30, 2015

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

rndmnmbr posted:

Babylon 5, in all it's terrible glory.

I know they were working on a low budget, and doing the best they could with what they had, and that the overall quality of the show made all the bad SFX and CGI worth it... but man, it was bad then, and it only gets worse every time I see it.

Yes that fan-made clip truly is indicative of the show :v:.

Here's how it actually looks;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVhUcFgev-Q


Hakkesshu posted:

I will never miss a chance to post this loving thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4

We don't talk about Legend of the Rangers for good reason :colbert:. Crusade had the odd good moment though.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Hakkesshu posted:

I will never miss a chance to post this loving thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4

I had only heard about this for years and years and wondered about it, until now.

It's worse than I ever imagined.

pookerbug
Jan 21, 2006

the vitreous humourist

FinnDiesel posted:

Therion's album art of Theli is a fine example of lovely CGI. What the hell is that armadillo-dog-man supposed to be?




I always assumed Tom Sholz made it with a demo copy of TruSpace he got with CorelDraw.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Yes that fan-made clip truly is indicative of the show :v:.

Here's how it actually looks;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVhUcFgev-Q

:colbert: I stand by my statement.

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Just Offscreen
Jun 29, 2006

We must hope that our current selves will one day step aside to make room for better versions of us.
This was my jam when I was like 16.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44XFZooFFbE

I still kinda love it.

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