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Yeah, Hannibal wasn't cancelled because of piracy. It was cancelled because "A cannibal desperately tries to make a murderous life partner out of his hunter, and we show all of it" is an impossible premise to sell.
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That, and the extremely pretentious execution certainly didn't help things either.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:33
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I wonder how many of those downloading it illegally despite it being available free to watch the next day online were people who went to NBC's site to watch it and were told,"We're sorry this video is not available in your region" 
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Mar 18, 2016 21:04
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mobby_6kl posted:That, and the extremely pretentious execution certainly didn't help things either. You can call it pretentious I guess, and maybe that's not completely inaccurate. But the symbolism, lighting, costuming, and cinematography were half of the appeal of the show.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:08
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Basebf555 posted:You can call it pretentious I guess, and maybe that's not completely inaccurate. But the symbolism, lighting, costuming, and cinematography were half of the appeal of the show.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:12
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Slow motion blood droplets did get a bit tiresome after the hundredth time. Kaleidoscope lesbians was refreshing on the other hand.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:12
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If the entire series was a complicated delivery mechanism for the episode where Chilton's life falls apart to the extent that the show's music seems to be actively making fun of him..... then I'd be fine with that and consider it worth it.
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Basebf555 posted:You can call it pretentious I guess, and maybe that's not completely inaccurate. But the symbolism, lighting, costuming, and cinematography were half of the appeal of the show. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't, parts of Season 3 especially reminded me of the episode of Darkplace where they say they made a half hour episode out of 12 minutes of footage using slow-mo to cut costs. I mean fair enough the show was on a low budget and it ended strong with the Red Dragon arc, but the Europe arc had alot of weird abstract shots which went on for far too long and didn't really seem to add anything to the episode outside of ~artiness~ Jerusalem posted:If the entire series was a complicated delivery mechanism for the episode where Chilton's life falls apart to the extent that the show's music seems to be actively making fun of him..... then I'd be fine with that and consider it worth it. This, I can get behind however. The episode where he actually tries to help and gets mauled and immolated for the hassle ... I actually felt bad for him
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Mar 18, 2016 21:59
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showbiz_liz posted:This, to me, seems like the actual reason it was cancelled: because it wasn't easy enough to watch the previous seasons. I could tell people how good it was all day long, but if they weren't able to go watch it on one of the services they already paid for, they weren't going to bother seeking the old episodes out, and it is not a show that lends itself to jumping in halfway through. Pretty much this. I gambled on the first season after hearing all the good buzz before season 2 premiered, and bought season-passes from Amazon to watch next-day thereafter. But most viewers aren't going to invest that way. AMC's strategy of Netflix-releasing the previous season of a show prior to the premiere is a great one. And this is a show that's literally impossible to jump into midway. "On tonight's episode, Hannibal has a series of intense, cryptic conversations with an imagined projection of his nemesis, friend, and lover that take place inside a psychedelic mind-palace."
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the_homemaster posted:No problem! It is a brilliant show. I can't think of a single thing I dislike about it. I didn't see the vegan talk when it started (so please excuse my lateness), but as a vegetarian entirely for moral reasons for 18 years (the vast majority of my life), I completely agree with your interpretation of the show. One of the major themes is almost certainly juxtaposing civilization's casual disregard for "lesser" beings with Hannibal's casual disregard for his victims (which he does consider to be "lesser"). It's just, your tone kind of sucks. Especially when you said "humanity should go extinct". It's that kind of attitude that makes people reflexively have bad opinions of animal rights and vegetarians. As for the effectiveness of the message in Hannibal (and similar media) in convincing people to give up on eating animals, I am sadly skeptical that it works with many people, even when the evidence of the moral injustice piles up. The best long term solution to wean humanity off of meat is advancements in bio-technology that will allow for synthetic meat to be created, or advancements in food and plant science that will allow for better tasting plant-based "meats". The worst long term solution is over the top moralistic judgments of others over things like television shows. Nichael fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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multijoe posted:Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't, parts of Season 3 especially reminded me of the episode of Darkplace where they say they made a half hour episode out of 12 minutes of footage using slow-mo to cut costs. I mean fair enough the show was on a low budget and it ended strong with the Red Dragon arc, but the Europe arc had alot of weird abstract shots which went on for far too long and didn't really seem to add anything to the episode outside of ~artiness~ I personally felt the red dragon stuff was the low water mark. I would go so far as to say it sucked. After the artistic and dramatic killings of Lechter and the crimes they investigated, "he kills entire families!" (what, like two of them?) was dumb/weak/pointless. If red dragon never existed in book form, it never would have passed muster for inclusion in the series, much less be the finale. Dont even get me started on how unbelievably assinine to orchestrate Lechters escape (involving fbi deaths) just to catch the guy. Cartouche fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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Basebf555 posted:You can call it pretentious I guess, and maybe that's not completely inaccurate. But the symbolism, lighting, costuming, and cinematography were half of the appeal of the show. Ersatz posted:It's a strange criticism to make, at any rate. What does mobby think that Hannibal was pretending to be? "We are not making television. We are making a pretentious art film from the 80s.” - Bryan Fuller. Anyway, it's not really a criticism from my end, I enjoyed all this stuff! But I think opening episodes with 5 minutes of slo-mo closeups and all the other bizarre poo poo would definitely make it more difficult for your average viewer to get into the show, especially compared to more straightforward episodes earlier on.
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Cartouche posted:I personally felt the red dragon stuff was the low water mark. I would go so far as to say it sucked. I couldn't ever get behind Armitage's performance. The bit where he croaks out a "dragon" noise in his first episode made me laugh out loud, and he was pretty drat silly most of the time. Reba improved all his scenes, but mostly because I really liked her than for any other reason. (Hopefully they'll cast Rutina Wesley in American Gods. Wait, Goddammit, she has a new show.)
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Mar 19, 2016 00:40
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For whatever reason I didn't see it coming, but I do agree that the Red Dragon arc ended up being underwhelming. It makes sense in retrospect that the show had gone so completely over the top in the way it depicted serial killers, that sticking so close to the Red Dragon novel was going to just be weak and boring by comparison. At the time I was really excited to see what they would do with it though.
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Nichael posted:As for the effectiveness of the message in Hannibal (and similar media) in convincing people to give up on eating animals, I am sadly skeptical that it works with many people, even when the evidence of the moral injustice piles up. The best long term solution to wean humanity off of meat is advancements in bio-technology that will allow for synthetic meat to be created, or advancements in food and plant science that will allow for better tasting plant-based "meats". The worst long term solution is over the top moralistic judgments of others over things like television shows. if anything, the show convinced me that eating people is actually good, and should no longer be taboo.
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Cartouche posted:I personally felt the red dragon stuff was the low water mark. I would go so far as to say it sucked. And with a gun. It was just so weirdly tame. I get why they did it but literally every other villain on the show overshadowed Red Dragon, and his weird buildup was not worthy of his method of killing.
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Basebf555 posted:For whatever reason I didn't see it coming, but I do agree that the Red Dragon arc ended up being underwhelming. It makes sense in retrospect that the show had gone so completely over the top in the way it depicted serial killers, that sticking so close to the Red Dragon novel was going to just be weak and boring by comparison. At the time I was really excited to see what they would do with it though. The more time that passes, the more I feel this way. I really liked certain aspects but overall it should've been done in the first season, because the original book matches the first season's atmosphere of a more traditional procedural far more than the third season's pretentious art film. I really did end up liking the first season best out of all of them.
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bring back old gbs posted:And with a gun. It was just so weirdly tame. I get why they did it but literally every other villain on the show overshadowed Red Dragon, and his weird buildup was not worthy of his method of killing.
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I agree that the Red Dragon arc probably the show's weakest, but I find it much stronger upon rewatching. Having seen it before, I'm no longer frustrated by leaving Will/Hannibal behind for long digressions into Francis's mind, and that arc's parallels with Italy become clearer. I also found it interesting how even Francis eventually cottoned on to Hannibal's desire to form a family with Will, incorporating that into his attempt to change Hannibal. That said, the painfully dramatic insert shot of a baseball being hit in a void is too much.
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Wiggy Marie posted:The more time that passes, the more I feel this way. I really liked certain aspects but overall it should've been done in the first season, because the original book matches the first season's atmosphere of a more traditional procedural far more than the third season's pretentious art film. I really did end up liking the first season best out of all of them. The first season felt like it leaned too hard on the procedural for me, it wasn't far from Will rocking up with a coffee saying "Alright what have we got here boys", it almost felt like a fig leaf for the murder art and food porn we were actually watching for. But dropping all the procedural stuff for the third season went too far the other way. I have to watch the whole show again but season two was the sweet spot for me, it was self-indulgent in the best way and still totally gripping moment to moment. I'm still impressed by how much genuine humour that season had too, and that it somehow didn't ruin the atmosphere. It was some of the most subtle comedy I've ever seen a tv show manage.
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seizure later posted:if anything, the show convinced me that eating people is actually good, and should no longer be taboo. I'd legit try a leg or something if Hannibal prepared it. poo poo looked delicious.
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Steve Yun posted:We interrupt VEGANTALK to bring you Hannibal news! 
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Mar 23, 2016 19:27
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Who won Hannibal's notes on Will? I wanna know if they actually contain stuff or are just a bunch of fake Latin placeholder text. Also Bryan Fuller is apparently writing a script for Season 4 anyway, just in case. http://www.inquisitr.com/2783946/ha...from-the-cliff/
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Basebf555 posted:But the symbolism, lighting, costuming, and cinematography were half of the appeal of the show. That's why the first half of the final season was 50% of a show, then the last half was the third best adaptation of Red Dragon available with a weird tacked on Sherlock Holmes ending (making the show the fourth best recent adaption of Sherlock Holmes). The show forgot itself.
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It's been stated they had a lot of production issues that final season so he did a bunch of artsy fartsy stuff to add time.
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Apr 7, 2016 18:14
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Hugh Dancy puts his experience playing a sexy damaged person on Hannibal to good use.
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Guy Mann posted:Hugh Dancy puts his experience playing a sexy damaged person on Hannibal to good use. He's also on the Hulu show "The Path" playing a cult leader (well okay not the leader but pretty much the leader)
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noooo Hugh why
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Guy Mann posted:Hugh Dancy puts his experience playing a sexy damaged person on Hannibal to good use. Hugh Dancy and Kim Basinger? gently caress, I was really hoping to avoid this series forever like I've avoided Twilight.
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hope and vaseline posted:noooo Hugh why From what I know of Hugh Dancy he would absolutely join 50 Shades just so he could have hilarious set stories to tell later.
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Apr 9, 2016 23:32
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I'm sure the huge sack of money eases the pain
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multijoe posted:I'm sure the huge sack of money eases the pain Why shouldn't it? It's not like Hulu pays out and I doubt Will Graham kept him neck-deep in cash. I once worked on a pro-fracking ad at my job, and I'm earning regular dude money. A sack of cash to be in a high-budget soft porn doesn't sound that crazy to me, to be honest.
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This is probably a long shot but does anyone know the location where the fly-fishing scenes took place?
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Hughmoris posted:This is probably a long shot but does anyone know the location where the fly-fishing scenes took place? Couldn't find anything about the fly fishing scenes specifically, but someone did manage to identify exactly where the waterfall with the floating corpses from 2x01 is located, and I wouldn't be surprised if they filmed the fly fishing in the same park (Rockwood Conservation Area in Toronto).
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showbiz_liz posted:Couldn't find anything about the fly fishing scenes specifically, but someone did manage to identify exactly where the waterfall with the floating corpses from 2x01 is located, and I wouldn't be surprised if they filmed the fly fishing in the same park (Rockwood Conservation Area in Toronto). Great, thanks. I enjoy visiting locations from television and movies and those fly-fishing scenes look so peaceful (outside of dead bodies floating by Will, and Hannibal rising from the current).
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http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/665626/Mads-Mikkelsen-confirms-Hannibal-likely-return-season-4quote:EXCLUSIVE: 'We have more stories' Mads Mikkelsen confirms Hannibal is likely to return Be still, my bleeding heart
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WHAT OMFG Oh please tell me this is from a reputable news site and not, like, TMZ or some poo poo!!
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It seems real, but it sounds more like he's just saying everyone wants to do it. Really, I think the biggest thing here is confirmation that it's not 'too late', and there's no reason they can't just start back up in a few years when everyone's free to do it.
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Welp, the dying embers of my hopes and dreams for more Hannibal just roared back into life against all sense and reason, even considering I was perfectly happy with the ending we got 
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These rumors are just the news equivalent of Abigail coming back only to be killed again. They can end only in pain.
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