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Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD

ThaumPenguin posted:

Should we add something about interesting starts or newbie-friendly start locations and stuff like that?

I think new players could benefit from knowing what would be a good start location and such, so they don't end up in Ireland in 867, or in southern England anno 1066 or literally anywhere near the Seljuks.

I don't have The Old Gods, what's so bad about Ireland in 867? Vikings?

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Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
I'm having a hell of time taking Caithness. I have a perfectly valid claim but the first time, a bunch of dukes tried to take the Isle of Man from me so I had to abandon it, second time the guy with the claim died, so casus belli no longer valid and now both me and the King of Scotland are on the same side 'fighting' Norwegian revolt so I can't wage war.

e: I finally understand the find claimant > invite claimant to court > land claimant > press their claim way of getting more lands. Obviously this can deplete your demense, so how low are you willing to go?


e2: A country undergoing a big revolt should be a good time to press a strong claim for myself, right? If it's a strong claim I shouldn't get 'casus belli no longer valid' at any point. I can take both the King and the rebels on.

I'm really tempted to start another Irish game after I reach 1453 on this save just to see how much better I do. I'm still getting moments of realization that I've been doing things horribly inefficiently in the 1300s. Quite recently I was landing any old fool instead of looking for people with claims I could press and just raising all my levies at the drop of a hat instead of just raising what I need and abusing the levies of vassals who love me.

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 7, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
It never rains, but it pours on CK2. Waiting until rulers are otherwise engaged is exactly what I do but I still don't like it happening to me.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
If I want to play another Catholic, probably Irish game with a 1066 start when I'm done with this save, if there any point at all me getting DLC that isn't Way of Life? Not bothered about Sunset Invasion at the moment.

Also if I have a strong claim on a county in a country undergoing rebellion, is now a good time to press or am I likely to get derailed by ruler changes and the like?

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD

beedeebee posted:

I am not a smart man, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt, but, I think there are pro's and cons. Pro is obviously that the defender has to defend against both the rebels and your invading army. Con is that it's possible the rebels win the war before you do, and then your CB is no longer valid.
So I'd say it depends on how big a revlot we're speaking of and how quickly you think it'll end.

Yeah, his score is pretty bad, down at -60% or something like that but the rebels are doing a really bad job of pressing home a victory, it's been hovering there for ages. I could try taking loads of men there and battering both sides so they can't fight each other and giving me a good warscore.

It's a strong fabricated claim so I should be able to go again with no truce in place even if I do get the dreaded inconclusive end.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
That's probably the best way of doing it, actually. Will give that a go.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
More claims confusion: as the King of Eire, I've gained two of the three counties in the de jure Duchy of Galloway, with only the county of Galloway itself left in Scottish control. I assumed that if I created the Duchy of Galloway I'd be able to make a de jure claim on the County of Galloway, but I can't. What have I missed? Can I not make a de jure Ducal claim as a King?

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 8, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
I'm fairly sure Galloway is part of Scotland, I'll have to check when I'm back at my PC.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Ah poo poo, just looked at my screenshots from the old thread and Galloway looks very much English. :ohdear: So suppose I have to press it with England as the de facto owner of the county. Thanks, that's cleared up my confusion.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Coming to an end of my CK2 game, EU4 goes 50% off. Could convert my save, could just go again with what I've learned.

Hmmm....

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
There's 45 hours left.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Is there a good way to remove vassals who are no longer useful without making everyone hate you? I would like to land some more claimants to my court without depleting my demense. I know I can go 2-for-1 by fabricating a claim and giving an invited claimant that land but even at 20% chance/year, that's unreliable.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
So just scheme away with the spymaster in their county long enough and something will come up? Nice.

e: Don't gently caress with this guy :stare:

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jun 9, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Yeeesss, thanks to all those who answered my questions, in the end I managed to 100% warscore the rebels into giving me the Faroe Islands, it was pretty metal sending 11K guys over and having them fight everyone in the Norwegian winter until the remaining 2,300 troops cornered his army to give me the win. He was 76 by the end I was really worried he'd die a natural death rather than an unnatural one. Props for leading my troops into the arctic and back at that age, though.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Is there a way to filter for characters with strong claims? It would really ease things for me.

e: Also if my wife dies and my new wife has an inheritable claim, will it get passed to my kids when she dies?

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 10, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
OK, that's fine. She has no kids at the moment so if my King has a kid with her, they'll have the claim and as my dynasty member will become my vassal should I get the chance to press a weak claim.

My guy is pretty old. If he dies before we have kids, would her claims just vanish?

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Now there's an idea.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
So I take it that the stability of huge blobs is one of the main issues with the game? My game has The HRE and the Byzantines about where you'd expect them, Fatimids cover most of Saudi Arabia-Egypt, Perm covers half of Russia, the Ilkhanate is huge, Poland has gobbled up half of Scandinavia and most strikingly, Hispania has taken over France entirely, covers the whole Peninsula and is now expanding into Africa. I take I'm not likely to see any breakaways from this? It seems like any revolts are more concerned with gaining the throne or lower crown authority than independence.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
All the DLC is in the summer sale, I only have Way of Life. Is it all only worthwhile if you actually want to play as the people involved? Tempted by Charlemange just for the start date.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Ah, I might not bother in that case.


One weird thing I've notice is that 'leading troops in' doesn't seem to work very well. In one of my many wars with Scotland I noticed that the king was leading troops in Iceland. I sent some guys over, killed the army there, no notification of capture, hover over him and he's teleported to the Firth of Forth. What gives?

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD

CharlestheHammer posted:

Defeating a king in battle doesn't always mean a kill/capture.

Its a roll of the dice like it always has been.

Ah, cool, so it's still worth a shot if I have the spare troops.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
My number 1 cause of reloading: accidentally moving my army away from a 90% done siege.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Something very odd is happening in my game, one of my vassals, Duke of the Isles is trying to claim Scotland for himself. He's taken the Scottish capital and in response the King of Scotland has hired a 17k mercenary army, but they' won't fight. I can see them moving round and round trying to take out my vassal's army but they won't actually enter a battle. Weird and pretty annoying since I'll lose land if my vassal becomes King of Scotland.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
The base game plus Way of Life is still keeping me going, maybe just buy those before buying everything.

e: As someone who very definitely likes CK2 a great deal, is there anything that DLCs that aren't Way of Life or Sons of Abraham will add to Catholic ruler games?

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 15, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
This was really useful for DLC purchase decision making.



e: My game can completely bugged out. The Queen of Scotland has hired mercs who won't fight anyone so I have 99% warscore but can't win a battle since I can't fight these mercs. Any ideas on how to fix?

e2: She finally surrendered at 99% but this mercenary army is just wandering around not being able to fight. I might try switching to the Queen of Scotland.

e3: They just upped and vanished :downs:

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jun 15, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
They could well have been, it would be really odd behaviour since we're a long way from any non-Catholics, though.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD


Christ, Hispania, do you ever just gently caress off?

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Well, my first proper game of CK2, starting in Dublin ends like so:



Bit earlier, but shot of Europe in general


My biggest errors were only realising these about 250 years in:

- I only really fabricated claims for so long, just sat about waiting. Once I understood inviting claimants and pressing those of my vassals and kinsmen as well as helping to overthrow rulers I had truces with, I was at war a lot more, in the pictures above I managed to eat most of Norge in 30 years after taking 300 to set foot there.

- How to economically use your army! I used to just raise all my levies and then wait for my money to regenerate and everyone to stop hating me. Once I knew to be sparing with my personal levies and to abuse the goodwill of vassals who like me, I could hop from war to war.

- As king, you can claim duchies and take them in one fell swoop. I was going take county>wait out truce>take county>wait out truce for ages.


I'm a little CK2-ed out unsurprisingly but I'm going to try another Dublin game when i come back to it to see how I do, I'm cringing at how long it took me to eat up Ireland and half of Scotland just by waiting for the fabricated claim thing to fire :downs:

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jun 24, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD

Chaotic Flame posted:

I still haven't really grasped the inviting claimants to court since most people don't want to come to my court. And don't they have to be your vassal for their claim to become part of your territory?

I've still expanded to empire status thanks to good marriages and some careful plotting though.

I check for them as Angela Christine said above, they do have to be your vassal or kinsman, yes, so the best time I've found to do it is when you've just taken some land for yourself and you're over your demense limit. Invite them, give them some land, press the claim. You could also fail to arrest a plotting vassal, defeat them in war and strip their title without the opinion hit. A couple of times when at a loose end and very popular I've just revoked a title from a troublesome vassal and given it to a good claimant.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Went to re-do my Ireland game, starting as a count. Did the usual fabricate-a-claim-to-make-a-duchy. Thirty loving years pass with 15-18 diplomacy stewards spectacularly failing to make a claim on anywhere nearby and no opportunity to legitimately gain claims on those counties. What a fun hour that was. That's enough CK2 tonight. Might just start somewhere different, it'd be fun to see how much better I do this time but I don't have the patience for the initial bit.

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 6, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Chose to start my second game in Spain as I've just been there, chose Castille in 1066, specifically. Turns out I have strong claims on Galicia and Leon, both of which are under my brothers' rule. Smash Galicia and take it as soon as I have the chance, spot Leon have been holy warring or something and take that as soon as my war for Galicia ends. Hell of a first 11 years. I also notice that I can take some of Toledo via a holy war and I can't think of a good reason not to do that later since it's only 1077 and nobody else has got their poo poo together. Weirdly, it turns out that the ruler of Castille in 1066, Sancho II, did actually take over Galicia and Leon in that order, though that's where the similarities end as the War of the Three Sanchos never happened (my chancellor died trying to get a claim on Navarre) and I didn't get shanked by a Zamoran noble in 1072.

I can't raise my crown authority any higher and now I'm left with ultimogeniture, urgh, I'm only 12 or so years older than my wife so hopefully a regency can be avoided.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
So much for my good start, I can't move away from Gavelkind in Leon and Galicia unless everyone like me, which of course they don't because I just usurped their titles.

Well, poo poo.

e: Ha, just had my favourite thing in CK2, declared holy war for Toledo, very first battle 400 vs 800, capture their Emir, 100% warscore. Rekt.

Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Oct 27, 2015

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Managed to solve my succession crisis pretty handily, gave power to my brother until he liked me enough to let me push through ultimogeniture, then when he started a plot to overthrow me, beat him in battle and stripped him of his land, replacing him with some rather more placid vassals.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
What causes heresies to spring up? Is it just random?

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Ah, cool, so that's what that does.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
I don't have CM or the Old Gods yet and I managed to go the full distance from 1066 as Ireland. It was my first proper game so I only conquered Scotland and Norge. Fully plan on lasting to 1453 or whatever with my current game, just became Emperor of Hispania, it's a lot of fun so far. Needed one last county to allow me to create Hispania, pressed a De Jure claim for one of my vassals rather than risk every muslim piling in on the holy war, somehow lost with 15k men vs 11k, even with 18, 17 and 15 rated generals, including a plain/flatland specialist. Managed to get white peace, suffered two revolts for the crown, lost my first battles as I couldn't unite my forces due to being picked off en route, had to wait for my warscores to drop to -50%ish before I got a sudden levies boost to 10k men, stopped both rebellions, +50 modifier from all my vassals for crushing a major rebellion, the Abbasid Sultan who beat me before is now dead and his son has no friends. Capture him in the second battle of the war, but my King got cracked over the head and is now fully cabbaged. So I have an empire but I also have a 12 year minimum regency as his oldest son's only 4. At least the regent is good and likes me.

I love things like that, if it actually happened it would be a common story told to kids in history class about how Emperor Guillermo I lost a war, survived a rebellion before gaining revenge on his old enemies, sacrificing himself in the process.

Good game so far, I'll probably make this my final map-painting Catholic ruler game and either grab some more DLCs (I only have WoL and SoA) or shoot for an achievement. Hoping for christmas sale discounts on everything.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
Must have been short, I only checked a few days ago. Still, I have plenty of life left in this game, it's only the 1170s and there's almost always a DLC key on sale somewhere.


Is Sunset Invasion actually fun to play with? I'm kind of tempted to spice things up one playthrough, not interested if they steamroll half of Europe every single time, though.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
That's a shame about the Aztecs, I might try it some day but it won't be something I'll try more than once. Competing American cultures of random strength would be incredible but Sunset Invasion was a spare time project so it's a bit much to ask. Hopefully I'll get the element of the unknown and random element from Stellaris, it's obviously hard to do in a historical game.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD

catlord posted:

Yeah, I have that problem with the later start dates too. I wish the TTG would get updated or something, I liked the randomised setups.

What does TTG stand for?

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Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
That sounds amazing. Yeah, I'd love to see that get updated.

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