Camrath posted:

Because I am both of those things. I'm bitter at the years I wasted spinning my wheels in my own personal and social development. I'm angry at every single pet-rapist, every moaning autist who wasted my time, every foul-smelling sex-pest that I had to handle. I'm trying to keep things light-hearted for the most part, because frankly otherwise I'd be spewing mostly incoherent bile onto the screen.

Camrath posted:

there's a lot of deep negative emotion that I associate with my time in the fandom, that I don't want to dredge up all at once as opposed to parcelling it out. In addition, nobody has actually hit on any topics that are, you could say, hot button issues for me.

Camrath posted:

But over the course of several years of therapy I've analysed over and over the things I've experienced, seen, been involved in and now many once happy memories instead cause a deep upwelling of sadness and anger inside me. Because I now know the harm that my involvement was inflicting on me as a person. And frankly, the amount of poo poo I let slide because 'hey, we're all furries! We shouldn't judge anyone!'.

Obdicut posted:

Instead of this series of passive-aggressive posts, why not just ask directly what you want?

Sadness and anger are perfectly appropriate emotions to have in response to things to come out of therapy. Therapy isn't Zen.

Paladinus posted:

Vic, do you personally think it was a mistake for OP to leave the community? It appears like you keep rephrasing the same question trying to get a particular response.

Obdicut posted:

Nazi horsefuckers are bad, and should be judged. So should those people who grope others. Etc--and then imply that he's failed at therapy because he's angry.

Camrath posted:

Vic, I'm afraid I honestly don't understand what you're trying to ask or what sort of response you're trying to get from me. I don't think that you're trolling me or anything, and I'm not offended- I'm just not sure what your question exactly is or how to answer it.

Camrath posted:

Say you grew up in Germany in the 1930s. You take part in all the proper youth activities, join the Nazi party, defend your 'crowd' in word and deed

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Fursolation

Obdicut posted:

By this standard, anything kids like is actually a perfect tool for an aspiring pedo. So, like, being a soccer coach, running a day care, being a superhero cosplayer or professional superhero actor whatever the hell they're called, volunteering to read stories to kids. All you're doing is stating the tautological fact that access to kids would be useful to a pedo. A fursuit, while maybe being a 'magnet' for kids, gives less access than an actual job working with kids. So what the gently caress is your point?

my dad posted:

Interesting thread. I'll be honest, pretty much everything I read here is absolutely bizarre to me.


You keep bringing that point up. Pedos don't work that way. Thinking pedos work by being obviously creepy and confined to some non-mainstream social group is harmful because it results in actual pedos getting away while you're on a wild goose chase*. Look for pedophiles in positions of power, and in positions involving little oversight and contact with children. Creepy dudes in fursuits tend to fall in the REALLY OBVIOUS AND HARD TO IGNORE category, and I can't really imagine them doing anything criminal while they're in the suit and in public view.

*pun intended

Obdicut posted:

What the hell are you talking about? When would this possibly happen? It's more than far-fetched. As someone said above, these lunatic scenarios distract from the way that pedophiles actually get access to children.

You started out weird and are getting weirder.

Camrath posted:

I can totally understand where the concern originates, but at the same time I think it's a grotesque overreaction. There have been several people sent down for paedophilia from the UK community (including one guy who was quite a good friend of mine), though none for anything actually related to furry. And nobody at all knew until the news broke.

Obdicut posted:

I think part of the crossover between furries and baby-diaper fetishists is the reaction by outsiders is "No you're not."

"I'm a lion". "No, you're not."
"I'm a baby." "No, you're not."

Most people don't 'roleplay' in their lives, and for those that do, it is mostly associated with sex, and the 'roles' they take on are believable ones, perhaps stretching the imagination a bit, but they are not ludicrously impossible. Furries can sort get away with it by saying they enjoy looking like a lion, and the above conversation about anthropomorphisation kinda shows they're not really 'acting' like animals--they're acting like furries. But the baby-diaper fetishists are putting on a self that is so obviously, and kind of pathetically, unreal that the overwhelming response is that it's both disgusting and just obviously untrue.

Also 'queer' is very problematic if you just mean 'non-standard sexuality', and appropriating it like that blurs an important distinction: Queer people aren't queer as a coping mechanism or because it turns them on more than other stuff. It's intrinsic to them. I don't get how you're queer in the least, either, from your self-description, unless you mean you're queer because of the baby-diaper stuff, in which case you're using a sexual term for something you're claiming is non-sexual and shooting yourself in the foot.

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1. No minors 18 and under (Anthro or human) may NOT be involved in any sexual/adult situations and activities with other adults and/or other minors anywhere on the Furtopia forums.......including the Adult forums too! This includes, but is not limited to: Art, literature, pics/videos, role playing, etc., etc. Even if a human minor turns into an anthro in a story, the character is still considered a minor, even in anthro form.

Forgall posted:

Cockmaster posted:

With this sort of thing, it's hard to tell if someone here is sincerely concerned for the kids' safety, or if they just think that blindly hurling accusations of pedophilia and bestiality is still funny furry.

Fatkraken posted:

But your obsession with the idea of a man dressed as a purple wolf snatching toddlers is just daft.

Megabound posted:

Sure, are you also concerned about theme park mascots? Furries in public are basically just mascots. No one's taking kids to drug fueled furry sex raves.

Also, calling out a straw man then using a slippery slope argument.

Control Volume posted:

Please do not talk about my little pony or its fans though, Vic is already stressed enough about pedophiles

Camrath posted:

And that's assuming you don't get ripped off. My girlfriend lost about £700 back in 2011 when Avsun did the whole 'take on a shitload of commissions and then disappear' poo poo. Lot of people lost cash there.

Oh, and Vic will probably be delighted by this, but eh. A Wisconsin furry and ex-fiancé of my best buddy got busted with child porn on his laptop, tried to pin the blame on his best friend and now is trying to crowdfund his defence. Dude is a loving freak, and truly creepy around women, so much so that when I heard he had been banged up I thought it would be for some form of sexual assault rather than this.

https://www.crowdrise.com/justiceforjason/fundraiser/reneejudkins

Funny story- when he came over to visit my friend they originally weren't going to let him into the country as the border guards thought he was a 'vulnerable individual'.

Camrath posted:

So, story that is still developing, but apparently there was a recent triple homicide in Fullerton, CA- all the victims and the three arrested perps were all involved in the furry fandom.

Nurel posted:

am i considered a furry if i grunt and roar during sexual intercourse tia

BobHoward posted:

Reminder that Vic is that weirdo who kept trying to clumsily trap you into supporting his obsession with the idea that furries are often pedophiles using the suit to get close to children. I mention it only because I didn't know about this thread till recently and read through it only a couple months ago, so Vic's creepiness might be fresher in my mind than yours.

Camrath posted:

My mother always was a huge fan of mice, and had a boyfriend in uni (back in the late 60s) who asked her to wear mouse makeup a few times