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How were you watching? Not sure if HBO GO and HBO NOW run off the same servers. I was trying NOW.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:25
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Guy A. Person posted:It looks like there is a little mini-mystery involving the Garveys' first day in town and what really went down. I actually kind of like there being something else happening, I just hope it's handled well. And my expression when John, when talking about what happened with his 'attempted murder' conviction and saying he "didn't try hard enough" was pure 
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Oct 5, 2015 03:26
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Shadow posted:How were you watching? Not sure if HBO GO and HBO NOW run off the same servers. I was trying NOW. Oh! I was just watching live on HBO (Comcast cable provider), so that makes sense. I never mess around with just releasing stuff on GO after hearing all of the horror stories about GoT; either I am home and can watch it live or I am typically going to wait.
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Oct 5, 2015 04:02
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Guy A. Person posted:Oh! I was just watching live on HBO (Comcast cable provider), so that makes sense. Yeah.  I don't got cable. Hulu, Netflix, HBO and Showtime, and Prime. I don't miss cable. Trying the show again. What the hell is going on...
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Oct 5, 2015 04:05
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Well that was a weird episode. Maybe this show is better watched binge-style.
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Oct 5, 2015 04:38
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I'm late to the show catching the rerun. So...that intro huh
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Oct 5, 2015 04:43
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Oct 5, 2015 05:26
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This is a solid start I think. I like the shifted focus.
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Oct 5, 2015 05:30
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I would have been fine if the focus was completley on the new family, and none of the old characters showed up.
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Oct 5, 2015 05:33
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That was bonkers and I loved it. The Murphys are wonderfully acted and written.
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Oct 5, 2015 05:38
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I wonder what Matt Jamison was going to say. He made it seem like Mary is getting better or has improved, which didn't seem to be the case.
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Oct 5, 2015 05:39
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nopants posted:I would have been fine if the focus was completley on the new family, and none of the old characters showed up. You can't just abandon the old characters. The best thing to do is this, fold them in, let them be a part of the new story, don't do Walking Dead bullshit with like three unique plotlines going down at a time.
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The Clap posted:That was bonkers and I loved it. The Murphys are wonderfully acted and written. Yup. The guy who plays John is on point.
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Oct 5, 2015 06:36
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You're never going to get a GR infestation when you have a team of vigilante anti-cult firemen.
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Oct 5, 2015 07:12
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I'll support any show that makes a Perfect Strangers gag.
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Oct 5, 2015 07:43
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What the gently caress is this awful intro
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Oct 5, 2015 08:24
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What the gently caress is even going on
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Oct 5, 2015 08:44
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blablablabla posted:Carrie Coon is the best She was also great in a supporting role in Gone Girl VextheGrey posted:I'll support any show that makes a Perfect Strangers gag. Also, great intro, I see where I think they're going with that, it'll be interesting to see if it bears out. Lots of "what's going on here" stuff but I like that and loved the first season.
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Oct 5, 2015 08:48
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The tone of this season seems to be working a lot better than last, even though I loved last season. It still seems dishonest as gently caress to hint at some sort of mythology when they've already admitted they won't be answering anything.
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Oct 5, 2015 13:21
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Tomahawk posted:The tone of this season seems to be working a lot better than last, even though I loved last season. It still seems dishonest as gently caress to hint at some sort of mythology when they've already admitted they won't be answering anything. They said they won't be answering where the disappeared people went. They didn't say they won't be answering anything.
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Oct 5, 2015 13:37
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New opening loving sucks. I honestly though it was a joke, it was that terrible.Guy A. Person posted:
Yeah. I mean, no-one in the town can die, right? The bird in the box, the cricket stuck down the drain. Poor Evie. 
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Oct 5, 2015 14:15
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah. I mean, no-one in the town can die, right? The bird in the box, the cricket stuck down the drain. Wait, what? I seriously missed that aspect of it. Wow, I'm dumb. Also, how do you know the cricket is in the drain? EDIT: Another example of things not dying is the fish that was flopping around where the water was. And 'attempted murder'.
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Oct 5, 2015 14:47
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Also, how do you know the cricket is in the drain? They implied it when John starting sticking his hand down the drain. The noise was clearly annoying him -- but if he thought the cricket was down there, why didn't he just turn on the disposal? Because it wouldn't have been effective. Plus there's that cut back right at the very end of the episode, after they've just suggested that Evie's been sucked down into one of the sink holes. Seemed to be drawing some kind of comparison. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 15:11
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Open Source Idiom posted:They implied it when John starting sticking his hand down the drain. I didn't really get the implication that the cricket was in the disposal, but that could just be me. I just thought him sticking his hand in there was one more 'something bad is going to happen to you, John' thing that teases the audience. EDIT: I will admit that I hope I'm wrong in all of this; I would actually really appreciate all of these things being compared to one another. I like it when I watch a thing, think I get it, and then find out that there's a whole other layer on top.
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Oct 5, 2015 15:28
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I didn't really get the implication that the cricket was in the disposal, but that could just be me. I just thought him sticking his hand in there was one more 'something bad is going to happen to you, John' thing that teases the audience. I mean, yeah, I'm just spit balling here. Would be entirely fine if I'm wrong. (Those credits, on the other hand... jesus they're crap.) But I'm also pretty sure that Papa Garvey was hallucinating Anne Dowd's character during his kitchen conversation with John. I imagine he's still going bonkers after the end of last season. I guess we'll find out.
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Oct 5, 2015 15:34
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Mr. Boogie posted:They said they won't be answering where the disappeared people went. They didn't say they won't be answering anything. It looks like they're kinda walking back that statement about avoiding answers to the central mystery now in this interview with Reza Aslan. http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/leftovers-mysteries-religion-reza-aslan.html quote:So religion writer and future TV personality Reza Aslan, a Harvard Divinity School grad, has come on board to help craft the story for season two, and consult on all matters of faith. He says we’d better get comfortable with the show’s ambiguity because that’s what religion is about, though we can expect lots of clues to help frame the central mystery. Still, those looking for specific answers take heart: Aslan says we’ll get “all the material necessary to draw our own firm conclusions about what happened.” Which is kind of a relief, I don't need a concrete resolution (we didn't get one in Lost and I was perfectly satisfied), but to say up front "we're not going to answer this, this is a show about characters, but we're going to continue to introduce more mysteries directly tied to the central mystery" seems like a huge copout. There doesn't need to be an architect scene, it can be a character show and still provide a fulfilling amount of details on the central mystery to invite people to come to some solid conclusions.
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Oct 5, 2015 16:50
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I loving love this show for some reason. It's just so well shot. I think that I'm not really a person that needs mysteries answered, so I'm probably the target audience.
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Oct 5, 2015 17:01
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Tomahawk posted:Which is kind of a relief, I don't need a concrete resolution (we didn't get one in Lost and I was perfectly satisfied), but to say up front "we're not going to answer this, this is a show about characters, but we're going to continue to introduce more mysteries directly tied to the central mystery" seems like a huge copout. There doesn't need to be an architect scene, it can be a character show and still provide a fulfilling amount of details on the central mystery to invite people to come to some solid conclusions. When you look at Lindelof's oeuvre - in particular Prometheus and Leftovers, with Lost being an early attempt - the stories he is telling are more about the nature of unsolvable mysteries than the mysteries themselves. Mysteries like: why are we here, where do we go when we die, is there anything else beyond our universe, etc. These are mysteries that are not going to be solved in a book or a movie, so the focus is always more on the human relationship to these kinds of mysteries. In Prometheus, you have characters looking into the screen asking questions like "what if you don't find the answers/like the answers you find" and the whole thing becomes a farce where everything backfires and there are no clear/satisfying answers. Leftovers opens with a big supernatural event then cuts to 3 years later with a big news story going "welp we didn't figure out what that whole thing was about and probably never will, we should probably all move on" and then the writers all adamantly saying that the core mystery won't be answered. Then the rest of the show is of course all about people dealing with the this bizarre Thing and not knowing how to live with the knowledge that this kind of thing can happen at any given time with no warning or explanation; people have their faith shaken and question everything. I guess what I am saying is, prepare yourself to be disappointed if you want any kind of answers. Maybe there will be some, but it's obvious at this point that setting up some supernatural event and then saying "oh well it was aliens/magic/pseudo-science" is explicitly not the kind of story that Lindelof is interested in telling. Lost was not some aberration where he forgot to solve the mysteries he presented, it was just his first (sloppy) attempt at telling stories about unsolvable mysteries and how people deal with them.
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Oct 5, 2015 17:34
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Guy A. Person posted:When you look at Lindelof's oeuvre - in particular Prometheus and Leftovers, with Lost being an early attempt - the stories he is telling are more about the nature of unsolvable mysteries than the mysteries themselves. Mysteries like: why are we here, where do we go when we die, is there anything else beyond our universe, etc. These are mysteries that are not going to be solved in a book or a movie, so the focus is always more on the human relationship to these kinds of mysteries. In Prometheus, you have characters looking into the screen asking questions like "what if you don't find the answers/like the answers you find" and the whole thing becomes a farce where everything backfires and there are no clear/satisfying answers. Leftovers opens with a big supernatural event then cuts to 3 years later with a big news story going "welp we didn't figure out what that whole thing was about and probably never will, we should probably all move on" and then the writers all adamantly saying that the core mystery won't be answered. Then the rest of the show is of course all about people dealing with the this bizarre Thing and not knowing how to live with the knowledge that this kind of thing can happen at any given time with no warning or explanation; people have their faith shaken and question everything. But Prometheus and Lost both do provide answers. They don't have an architect scene, it isn't spelt out in a forced way, but you can fill in most of the blanks. Last season Damon indicated that the Leftovers would be avoiding attempts to answer the central mystery, which would be extremely unsatisfying. If I get as much as Prometheus or Lost gave me (I am a huge fan of both), I will be satisfied.
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Oct 5, 2015 17:48
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Oh well then that's cool; I'm a big fan of both plus Leftovers too and think they give the right amount of "answers", I know others don't think they give any.
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Oct 5, 2015 17:59
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I'm actually okay with never finding out why the 2% just vanished. I am interested in the mysteries behind the hugging guy last year and how Eddie Winslow accurately reads palms though.
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Oct 5, 2015 18:06
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Guy A. Person posted:When you look at Lindelof's oeuvre - in particular Prometheus and Leftovers, with Lost being an early attempt - the stories he is telling are more about the nature of unsolvable mysteries than the mysteries themselves. Mysteries like: why are we here, where do we go when we die, is there anything else beyond our universe, etc. These are mysteries that are not going to be solved in a book or a movie, so the focus is always more on the human relationship to these kinds of mysteries. In Prometheus, you have characters looking into the screen asking questions like "what if you don't find the answers/like the answers you find" and the whole thing becomes a farce where everything backfires and there are no clear/satisfying answers. Leftovers opens with a big supernatural event then cuts to 3 years later with a big news story going "welp we didn't figure out what that whole thing was about and probably never will, we should probably all move on" and then the writers all adamantly saying that the core mystery won't be answered. Then the rest of the show is of course all about people dealing with the this bizarre Thing and not knowing how to live with the knowledge that this kind of thing can happen at any given time with no warning or explanation; people have their faith shaken and question everything. Yeah, the way the season has been set up so far, it seems to me that the theme will be more based on the tension with regards of the timing of the outsiders' arrival and the girls' disappearance than solving the causes for the disappearances. The cavewoman bit clearly seems to point to the futility of trying to explain why things happen.
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So if we run under the assumption that nothing can die in the town, what was up with the man nonchalantly dragging his goat into that restaurant to butcher it? No one got super freaked out, and the owner seemed more annoyed than terrified. It sounded she was about to ask him if he had to do this right now. And the guy was definitely a local. Then he just kinda dragged it back out. Some kind of weird sacrifice? Can he only kill the goat in a place where it's going to be needed, like maybe all the bacon is goat bacon I don't know. Or the guy is just crazy.
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Oct 5, 2015 18:35
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Stealthed Zombie posted:So if we run under the assumption that nothing can die in the town, what was up with the man nonchalantly dragging his goat into that restaurant to butcher it? Im sure it was biblical. Didn't they rub goat blood on the door frames during passover? Im forgetting my sunday schooling
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Oct 5, 2015 19:07
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Yeah he was definitely sacrificing the goat, the weird thing is how mundane everyone treated it, and how he just kind of awkwardly he apologized at the end. Maybe he just does it all over town to like "cleanse" or protect different places? Also I am not convinced it's just purely "things can't die" but there definitely seems to be some kind of healing going on, possibly in the water? (the old couple asked Michael about it, Evie gathered some from the watering hole, the bird may have been exposed to some?) The evidence for healing are Mary's condition seemingly improving and the bird not being dead in the box, I think the cricket is just hidden somewhere as a kind of Tell-tale Heart type scenario meant to mess with John.
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Oct 5, 2015 19:29
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah he was definitely sacrificing the goat, the weird thing is how mundane everyone treated it, and how he just kind of awkwardly he apologized at the end. Maybe he just does it all over town to like "cleanse" or protect different places? Also, if the water could heal, why did the cavewoman at the beginning succumb to her wombs? Also, I just figured the goat thing was a sad product of a hyper-religious town. Everyone 'gets' what he's doing, but it's kind of a nuisance to them. I mean, imagine if everyone in your city was the same religion, and they ALL believed. Maybe most might not take it as far as some others. It's like how my dad goes to church regularly, but rolls his eyes when people get really REALLY into their religion.
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Oct 5, 2015 19:33
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Open Source Idiom posted:New opening loving sucks. I honestly though it was a joke, it was that terrible. I think the new opening is kinda a joke. The whiplash from the grimness of the first season to the sorta, uh, faux-happy tone of this one is purposely disorienting and kinda funny. Also the river with the healing water (Pedernales State Park) is about a minute down the road from where I live which is good to know if I ever get sick. Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 19:40
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I think it'd be awesome if the opening slowly became more depressing as the season goes on, so by episode 10, it's just black and white with creepy (and fantastic) piano music.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah he was definitely sacrificing the goat, the weird thing is how mundane everyone treated it, and how he just kind of awkwardly he apologized at the end. Maybe he just does it all over town to like "cleanse" or protect different places? I got the sense that it may have been something he did on the day of the Departure and has since become a routine he completes, perhaps believing that it in some way is linked to the miracle that occurred in their town. Obviously I could be way off the mark. It just felt routine and could be why nobody really attempts to stop him.
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