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Niwrad posted:I thought the first season was great. I'm weird I guess. You aren't. That guy just loves to poo poo on season one.
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Season 1 had a lot of problems that they fixed in Season 2 and I wasn't the only one who thought so
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Jan 31, 2016 15:52
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Season 1 was awesome. they burned a retard real doll as shown in my op. How cool is that?
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Jan 31, 2016 18:52
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Season 1 is absolutely 100% not an overall well-liked season of television w/r/t general viewers. Whether this is because it's not their kind of show or because of the mistakes the season makes is up to the individual. I will say I wanted to like s1 so so much but only stopped hating it after s2 showed me what some of the edges looked like when smoothed
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Jan 31, 2016 20:09
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When the first season was airing, I saw the phrase "misery porn" used by people writing the show off. I don't think it's a good descriptor for the show in general, because I think that overall the show is very hopeful. But I can definitely see how someone might draw that conclusion after watching those episodes and not sticking around to see all that bleakness build into something. I liked the show based on the pilot, but I don't remember being crazy about it until the Matt episode. I think the first two episodes are much better on the rewatch, but that also means nothing in regard to the flaws they present to first time watchers.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:26
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I liked the first season a lot but the Guilty Remnant was so annoying It's like someone came up with a weird aesthetic for a cult "hmm what if they wear white and smoke instead of talking" that doesn't really make sense for the movement tbh and the silence and writing stuff on pads all the time was frustrating to watch as a viewer. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 21:59
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Fast Luck posted:I liked the first season a lot but the Guilty Remnant was so annoying I didn't do a rewatch for Season 2, but I will for Season 3, and I suspect everything I hate about 1 is the GR and Liv Tyler
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Jan 31, 2016 22:01
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they were supposed to be infuriating but they were overly effective because they took up so much of the story and people didn't lose their tempter often enough
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Jan 31, 2016 23:20
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Professor Shark posted:Season 1 had a lot of problems that they fixed in Season 2 and I wasn't the only one who thought so Sure, there were some things in S1 that weren't perfect. Characters who refuse to talk to each other to create tension or further the plot is a thing TV does that I really hate, and they did some of that in S1. They also seem to be pretty aware of that, because in S2 Kevin tells all to Nora and the writers basically told us, "See? Didn't make a difference that he was honest." I appreciated that a lot. They also acknowledged the irritation of watching people writing poo poo down with sharpies and refusing to talk. The GR isn't super fun to watch, I totally understand where you're coming from. When you add the Murphy family in S2, there's less GR just because of time constraints. Although for me Tommy, not the GR, is the weakest thread in the show. He just seems like a total idiot douchebag. Meg is a lot more interesting, and I am just gonna go ahead and straight up accuse you of blindly hating Liv Tyler.  But that doesn't mean that S1 was bad television. Posting over and over that S2 is a complete 180 from S1 is an overreaction, in my opinion. A complete 180 would be like, Baywatch. I honestly think the tone of the two seasons is pretty similar. If S1 is misery porn then S2 is misery porn x2. It had terrible loss AND a terrifying descent into madness. Just because the theme changed and there was more humor punctuating these beats doesn't mean S2 was lighthearted. In both seasons we go from some pretty terrible places to some pretty hopeful places. Both seasons had great production values and great music, although if anything "Where is My Mind" was possibly slightly overused in S2. Both seasons made me feel something pretty awesome. And let's not forget the most bullshit moment in this show happened in the finale of S2. Some crazy poo poo goes down on the bridge, Nora asks a big cowboy if she can borrow his binoculars, and he just hands them over. That's loving bullshit! I love this show. Both seasons.
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Feb 1, 2016 00:27
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Did anyone think that when Isaac told Meg about her Mother's last words that maybe the fiance fed him the info beforehand? He seemed supportive but probably tired of criss-crossing the country with her looking for answers from psychics.
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Maybe it is because I binged watch season 1, but I loved it. It would of been in my top 5 of 2014 if I watched it then. That said I do agree season 2 is better. It all just comes together better, and show is a little less depressing. It sucks, because I have several friends who quit on season 1 (to quote one 'it is a miserable show with miserable characters'). I've been trying to tell them that season 2 is one of the best seasons on HBO in ages. Funny the hate season 1 gets reminds me of the hate for season 1 of Halt & Catch Fire. The critical response went from lukewarm in season 1 to pretty highly positive in season 2. Only difference is while I loved both season, I enjoyed season 1 would more (outside of the finale) than season 2. Half & Catch Fire might be second favorite show on now behind The Leftovers.
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Niwrad posted:Did anyone think that when Isaac told Meg about her Mother's last words that maybe the fiance fed him the info beforehand? He seemed supportive but probably tired of criss-crossing the country with her looking for answers from psychics. I think that it's come up in this thread before. I think that if you're going for a rational reading of the events of the show, that probably fits better than anything else. While he might have seemed kind of annoyed before Meg went into Isaac's house, he definitely seemed more chipper while she was coming out, like he was expecting everything to be fixed now. You could explain Virgil's "psychic" phenomena similarly. He comes up to Kevin in the visitor's center and tells him that he can help with his Situation. It seems like he knows Kevin is being "haunted," but almost everyone who's coming to Miracle is probably looking for answers, so Virgil could just be playing the odds. And when he approaches Nora in the convenience store, he tells her that he's sorry for her loss. Now, we know that at this point Nora has told the Murphys that she used to have children, but not yet that they Departed (that doesn't happen until Lens). It could be that Virgil has some mystical powers and can see that Nora's children departed because of her "aura" or something similar. But it could also be that Michael mentioned to Virgil that his new neighbor "lost" her kids during one of his night prayer visits, or that Sleepwalking Kevin mentioned it to Virgil. The clerk's response to Virgil, that she told him not to do "that poo poo" in her store, fits either. She could be telling him that his Mystical powers freak out regular people and to knock it off in her store. She could also be telling him that if he's going to be duping people with his hot and cold reading techniques, she doesn't want it associated with her business. Pepe Silvia Browne fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 16:24
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Unexpectedly, I received the Blu-ray set for Leftovers Season 2 in the mail today. I preordered it a while back but guess I didn't realize it would be out this soon. Did anyone else get it? Does it have, uh... ANY special features at all? The first season did but this thing looks completely bare bones. Kinda wondering if I should just send it back.
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Feb 10, 2016 10:12
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Rocco posted:Unexpectedly, I received the Blu-ray set for Leftovers Season 2 in the mail today. I preordered it a while back but guess I didn't realize it would be out this soon.
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Feb 10, 2016 11:14
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Josh Lyman posted:There are no extras: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Leftovers-The-Complete-Second-Season-Blu-ray/145801/ I wonder why they rushed this out so fast without any new content? Super disappointing. The uneven first season had a bunch of extras, but the absolutely stellar followup gets none. What a letdown.
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Feb 10, 2016 12:12
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Rocco posted:I wonder why they rushed this out so fast without any new content? Super disappointing. The uneven first season had a bunch of extras, but the absolutely stellar followup gets none. What a letdown. It sucks but here's two things to consider: 1. From the business point of view, they might be assuming that most people who have seen the show still have their HBO subscription and can already watch those episodes anytime they want. So, this would essentially just for people who still rent physical Blu-Ray disks, from smaller chains or through Netflix in the mail. 2. Since the show has already been renewed for a third and final season, I'm hoping that they're focusing their resources on a good collector's set of all three.
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Feb 10, 2016 14:52
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Thanks to this thread my wife and I binge watched Mr. Robot. Although I guessed the twist in the first episode (I turned to my wife, and said this is a Fight Club rip off), I have to say the way they handled it and reading interviews with the creator (he said he wanted the audience to know long before the reveal) I am fine with it. The show is definitely in my top 5 of 2015 shows (Leftovers, Halt & Catch Fire, Mad Men, and Fargo are the only shows I think I enjoyed more). Thank God because the last time I watched a show based on a debate in TVIV was Jessica Jones. Overall that was pretty blah (would of been great if only 8 episodes).
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Feb 10, 2016 14:53
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THA TITTY THRILLER posted:It sucks but here's two things to consider: Plus, didn't the show do absolutely awful ratings-wise this year? Probably didn't help 
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Feb 10, 2016 14:54
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nate fisher posted:Thank God because the last time I watched a show based on a debate in TVIV was Jessica Jones. Overall that was pretty blah (would of been great if only 8 episodes). So, I've been sort of watching this on the sidelines, and totally thought that when Kilgrave buys Jessica's house that she grew up in, it was the penultimate episode. Nnnnnnope, still have 6-7 episodes more to go. I don't know why.
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Feb 10, 2016 15:18
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nate fisher posted:Thank God because the last time I watched a show based on a debate in TVIV was Jessica Jones. Overall that was pretty blah (would of been great if only 8 episodes). That was pretty much my reaction to Jessica Jones. I was loving it up until Kilgrave escaped the chamber. After that it just went downhill fast. They didn't have enough material for all those episodes it seemed.
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It took me over a month to finish Jessica Jones. I binged the first nine episodes or so, then just couldn't keep going.
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Hey everyone who likes this show's incredible score by Max Richter, the season 2 soundtrack is out and probably on whatever music streaming service you use.
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THA TITTY THRILLER posted:Hey everyone who likes this show's incredible score by Max Richter, the season 2 soundtrack is out and probably on whatever music streaming service you use. Sometimes I get stuck listening to those Dona Nobis Pacem tracks on repeat.
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I binge watched seasons 1 and 2 and I knew nothing about the series before hand, not even any of the praise given for this show. It propelled to my TOP10 series of all time, so definitely the biggest positive surprise for a while when it comes to TV series. I see a lot of very differing opinions when it comes to season 1 and pretty much categorical praise for season 2. In my case, I would actually rate season 1 higher, it just feels a bit pointless to do so as the show has an excellent continuum all the way. But just to voice that different opinion to some of you who enjoy taking a poo poo on season 1. Basically, season 1 was where I usually found myself looking at the ceiling in awe with my mouth open when the credits were rolling, sometimes crying a bit and sometimes just appreciating things. It was emotionally more powerful than season 2, and that's meaningful because I usually don't get so emotional about TV series or movies. The scene where Kevin comes back to Mapleton at the end of season 1 to find out what the GR has done was one of the most powerful scenes in TV/movie history. That said, I did certainly enjoy season 2 as well, it was just a bit different kind of serving. My reactions were mostly along the lines of "drat this is some quality poo poo, oh man now I'm watching quality TV, it's so great to watch a quality series like this". In that sense I can understand how many folks prefer it to season 1, but it also lacked "something" in terms of mood and emotion. Not much, and not easily put in words, but something. "International assassin" was a great episode, but it did suffer slightly from the common "Twin Peaks did all this better 25 years ago" phenomenon. Hoping for a new setting for season 3, should be awesome in any case.
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I don't enjoy the shits I take or took on season 1. I find it an immensely frustrating season because it clearly could be as good as 2 to me if it wasn't for the fact it's too focused on its own misery. I can see how someone could relate to it more on an emotional level, but season 2 is far superior on an actual storytelling level.
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Feb 23, 2016 09:20
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Every time I think of this show, I just hear Patti saying "Kih-vahn". There's an accent there, but I can't place it.
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Escobarbarian posted:I don't enjoy the shits I take or took on season 1. I find it an immensely frustrating season because it clearly could be as good as 2 to me if it wasn't for the fact it's too focused on its own misery. I can see how someone could relate to it more on an emotional level, but season 2 is far superior on an actual storytelling level. I hated season 1 but rewatching it knowing there were no answers and it was about exactly that, the way a world would look without answers to huge questions, made it vastly more interesting.
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Oh yeah I mean I don't think it's a bad season of television anymore. It's an interesting failure, and I'd much rather a show be that than a boring success. But I think accusations that people just enjoy to poo poo on it hide the fact that it has some very legitimate issues.
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I liked season 1 as well. I think a lot of people either missed or didn't enjoy the dark comedy elements (which became more obvious in this more recent season). I can see why people would be frustrated too, but I love me some existential angst...
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Agronox posted:I liked season 1 as well. I think a lot of people either missed or didn't enjoy the dark comedy elements (which became more obvious in this more recent season). I've wonder as a fellow lover of existential angst, if it was that or the fact I watched both seasons back to back that I didn't find season 1 bad.
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It's much better when you don't have to wait a week between episodes. The first couple episodes having some pacing issues which are exacerbated by the scenes of GR members communicating via longhand notes, but on rewatching I think they do a fantastic job laying the groundwork for this series.
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I too enjoyed season one more than two. I felt like each episode in season one (at least the first 6 or so) focused on telling the story of a specific character and it was compelling. I wanted to know these peoples' story and what the hell was going on in this crazy world. Season two just felt a little weird to me. It felt slower, too. Not that slower is bad. I think that's just how Jarden was supposed to be; slower paced. I know International Assassin was praised by a lot of people but it felt quite out of left field. I don't know exactly what I was expecting, but it wasn't that.
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I liked both seasons, but I don't understand how you or anyone could say that season 2 was slower than 1; I found it quite the opposite. Maybe it was the intensity making it feel faster-paced (not that the show is fast-paced at all).
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One thing that I'll agree with is that Kevin's return to Mapleton is the best sequence the show has done. I thought season 1 was dragging for it's second half but that whole sequence redeemed the entire show for me. When it was reairing prior to the second season premiere, I actually misremembered it as that being the whole episode and not just the last 15 minutes, since it was so powerful that it overshadowed the entire rest of the ep for me.
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Feb 24, 2016 06:42
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Liv Tyler won Best TV Actress at the Elle Style Awards last night. ....yep
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nate fisher posted:Halt & Catch Fire Wait, what? Did the second season of that really pick up or something? Season 1 was one of the worst things I slogged through that year and I swore off the show. I'm totally down with the rest of your list so I am really confused here.
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Escobarbarian posted:Liv Tyler won Best TV Actress at the Elle Style Awards last night. To be fair Liv did very good in season two. Starting to make me think she's a Piper Perabo/Sarah Michelle Gellar type. Doesn't work too well in movies but television suits her fine. But who was she up against in the highly lauded Elle Style Awards anyway?
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No clue, can't find a nominee list anywhere. For the record I think she's great in the show, just find it funny that this weird dark cult show finally wins an award for acting and it's from a fashion magazine
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Escobarbarian posted:For the record I think she's great in the show, just find it funny that this weird dark cult show finally wins an award for acting and it's from a fashion magazine I love thinking of innocent fashionistas checking out this show and being traumatized.
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Escobarbarian posted:No clue, can't find a nominee list anywhere. For the record I think she's great in the show, just find it funny that this weird dark cult show finally wins an award for acting and it's from a fashion magazine Should've gone to Ann Dowd 
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