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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Proving once and for all that Canadians don't understand politics.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

StickySweater posted:

Seen at a Moscow bus stop, apparently says: "Smoking Kills more people than Obama." Can anyone confirm?



Well, to my reading that says "Smoking kills more people than Obama, although he kills a lot of people. Don't smoke, it's not necessary to be like Obama." Could easily be fake though.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

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Jan 2, 2011
The Young Turks are Mad About The Establishment and All In For Bernie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFDc2Ute4Y

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Jan 2, 2011


Marco Polo posted:

You must understand that the Tartars, according to their ancient customs, before they became familiar with the doctrines of the idolaters, never used to give any alms. Indeed, when a poor man came to them, they would drive him off with maledictions, saying "Go with God's curse upon you! If he had loved you as he loved me, he would have blessed you with prosperity!" But since the sages of the idolaters, especially the Bakhshi of whom I have spoken of above, preached to the Great Khan that it was a good work to provide for the poor and that their idols would be greatly pleased by it, he was induced to make such provisions as I have described. No one who cares to go to his court in quest of bread is ever turned away empty-handed. Everyone receives a portion. And not a day passed but twenty or thirty thousand bowls of rice, millet, and panic are doled out and given away by the officials appointed. And this goes on all the year round. For this amazing and stupendous munificence which the Great Khan exercises towards the poor, all the people hold him in such esteem that they revere him as a god.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Hot Karl Marx posted:



yeah the mongolians were so nice, they only sacked your city and killed/raped everyone if you disobeyed and maybe if you looked at them wrong

or maybe they just wipe out your entire way of life because you had a lovely king

real cool dudes

That's exactly the point. Mongols were bad dudes, and American Prosperity Gospel has adopted the Mongol attitude towards the poor (before Kublai converted to Buddhism, called "idolatry" in Polo's text).

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011


More here.

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Jan 2, 2011

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Jan 2, 2011


Look at all those white people.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/nickpwing/status/755172966200139776

With video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-LBS_kpDQ

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011


The US could have had de facto President John Kasich since Donald Trump is not interested in any of the business of actually governing.

quote:

One day this past May, Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a senior adviser to Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who left the presidential race just a few weeks before. As a candidate, Kasich declared in March that Trump was “really not prepared to be president of the United States,” and the following month he took the highly unusual step of coordinating with his rival Senator Ted Cruz in an effort to deny Trump the nomination. But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0&referer=https:/www.google.com/

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik

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Jan 2, 2011

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Jan 2, 2011

For those too lazy to click, this is the tweet that's in response to:

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778016283342307328

Which is really a perfect analogy because a) Skittles are alive and can choose their actions; b) Skittles have been being victimized by other Skittles for five years; c) the deadly Skittles will kill you, yes, you, every single person reading this image macro, the same way literally one refugee terrorist can murder all of America; d) there is no way to tell one Skittle from another besides eating it; and e) oh wait no it's the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

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Jan 2, 2011


American Nazi organization rally at Madison Square Garden, February 1939. Reportedly 20,000 people turned up.

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Jan 2, 2011

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/793865247689957376

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

What's 'Corporate Buddhism'?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GgHaFvmY3s

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

break-up breakdown posted:

original article (paywalled and in estonian):
http://epl.delfi.ee/news/eesti/kaks-aastat-hiljem-kohtumine-suurias-ja-siis-ungaris?id=72401155

Doesn't mention al-qaeda in the readable part, just that he was a former fighter and doesn't like Assad. The account that made the original tweet is a big Assad fan and yeah probably calls everybody opposed to him al-qaeda. it's like a year old & almost certainly bullshit



lmao yeah Britain, so welcoming for refugees.

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Jan 2, 2011

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Jan 2, 2011

lmao

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Jan 2, 2011


This eight-year-old American citizen may have died on that personally-approved-by-Trump commando raid in Yemen that also killed a Navy Seal.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/829000436300525568

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miE-kwQM0mo
"All the chaos that Trump is creating, utter chaos - and these twats, who think they represent the left, they just handed it to him.
It's not just a handful of violent thugs when they are being legitimized by thousands of people proudly retweeting videos of Trump-supporters getting punched or peppersprayed. You're handing the moral high-ground to Trump and it boils my piss. You got the Guardian to run articles whether it's ethical to punch a nazi. What the gently caress are you talking about?!"

Is it really arbitrarily calling someone a Nazi if you have video of them saying Nazi slogans to a crowd while that crowd gives them the Nazi salute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

It certainly isn't, but does that legitimise violence against these despicable people? I guess I just don't like the social dynamic of "Let's punch someone in the face!" regardless of its target.


I agree that violence is bad.

That being said, there are also problems with the idea that Nazis are engaging in some free exchange of views on the intellectual marketplace and that the solution is to just out-debate them, because a) they're not making rational arguments, so they can't necessarily be defeated by making rational arguments; b) their hateful rhetoric has actual real-world consequences; and c) having actual real-world Nazis taking part in mainstream political discourse rather than being out on the fringe somewhere is deeply damaging to the political climate because it legitimizes their views when we engage them in debate as if their ideology of "kill all non-whites" and our ideology of "don't kill all non-whites" are somehow equivalent.



These six people died several weeks ago in Quebec because some alt-right weirdo decided to change up from trolling their mosque's facebook group to walking in and shooting them. Was he inspired by Nazi rhetoric? Almost certainly. Maybe he wouldn't have killed them if someone had sat him down and had a rational discussion where they tried to out-debate his Nazi views, but that conversation probably wouldn't have been necessary if Nazis weren't already a legitimized part of public discourse.



These nine people died several years ago in South Carolina because some alt-right weirdo was self-radicalized by online propaganda and thought black people were a threat to white civilization. Was he inspired by Nazi rhetoric? Absolutely he was, he freely admitted at his trial that he was self-radicalized online by visiting white supremacist and Nazi websites. Maybe he wouldn't have killed those nine people if someone had sat him down and had a rational discussion where they tried to out-debate his Nazi views, but that conversation probably wouldn't have been necessary if Nazis weren't already a legitimized part of online discourse.

My point is that I can understand why some people would respond to the Nazi-punching by saying that they're actually responding to violence with violence rather than instigating it against someone who is just expressing their free speech. Hitler probably never killed any Jews himself; until 1933 at least, the overwhelming majority of what he did was write books and give speeches, which we would respect under free speech. Nevertheless those books and speeches created a hateful white supremacist ideology that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. I would argue that today's Nazis are doing the same thing on a small scale: giving speeches, writing books, and engaging in today's media landscape on the internet, and just like the actual Nazis they're inspiring people to go out and murder non-whites with their propaganda.

It is legitimately dangerous to have Nazism be an acceptable part of your political discourse and I understand why people want to beat it back into the shadows. The problem I see is that violence doesn't actually accomplish that. It used to be that Nazis just weren't part of ordinary political discourse, because newspapers wouldn't print them and TV news wouldn't broadcast them. Now we have the internet and enabling sites like Reddit and Twitter that respond very, very slowly to Nazi propaganda broadcast via their domain, if they respond at all, as well as actual Nazi websites that you can visit easily by googling certain terms that come up all the time in mainstream news, like "black on black crime" which is what first started the Charleston shooter down the path of radicalization.

But of course you can't punch the internet genie back into the bottle. Punching Richard Spencer didn't shut down his website and destroying property at Berkeley didn't stop Milo Yiannopolous's book from becoming a bestseller. Maybe there's no way back from the current political climate because the internet isn't going anywhere. Maybe we just have to accept that Nazism is normalized now, and get used to having vigorous free speech debates trying to debunk Nazi claims that were never meant to be examined rationally while periodically some Nazi takes it too far and murders some innocent people. Maybe that's just the reality we live in now. But I understand why some people don't want to accept that as the norm.

vyelkin fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 15, 2017

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

mobby_6kl posted:

Punching Nazis is bad because punching anyone is bad.

I agree, violence is bad. What I'm saying is that considering Nazis are successfully spreading a hateful ideology that has literally led to multiple instances of mass murder by people inspired by Nazi messaging, I also understand why there are people who want to respond to their exercise of free speech with violence. I would not personally punch a Nazi because I don't believe in the use of violence to solve problems, even problems that are themselves violent, but I'm all for understanding why other people would.

vyelkin fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Feb 15, 2017

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Jan 2, 2011

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Wow looks like those women want Nordstrom to be a

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011


The new FCC Chairman has started dismantling net neutrality.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

Wasn't Plato's Cave in a large part about encouraging thinking in terms of pure mathematics, which is better than the lowly applied mathematics, which in turn is better than being uneducated?

Plato's geometry being the polar opposite of lol kek frog thought, at least according to the highly accurate philosophical spectrum of Planescape.



Looks like Sinbad interrupted God's D&D game.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Gio posted:



liberals are loving dumb as gently caress



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Jan 2, 2011

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Agreed, good memeing AR-15 Gun Owners of America

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

boner confessor posted:

i'd prefer to obscure or paint over the stone mountain carving simply because most memorials can be removed for a few hundred thousand dollars but it would take tens of millions to scrape that one off the side of the mountain versus just a giant sheet or clown paint. maybe if there was a compromise and you just beheaded them or something



Spend the tens of millions but instead of removing the monument just carve in a giant Lincoln making this face and taking a big poo poo on top of them.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/JoshKuh44/status/858821009230540800

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