The Time Dissolver posted:Why have goons been harping on this so hard lately? What is with these bouts of faddish wisdom that go around? Spectacle doesn't go away as you age, it's just different things that push the awe buttons. "I watch spaceship movies like an ADULT but you watch spaceship movies like a CHILD" has been going on for a while though. Because constantly talking about how grown-up you are is definitely something real adults do
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:maybe you need an outdoor hobby. You literally have twenty times the posts-per-day I do.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:15
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Clipperton posted:"I watch spaceship movies like an ADULT but you watch spaceship movies like a CHILD" has been going on for a while though. Because constantly talking about how grown-up you are is definitely something real adults do No one has been saying that doing this or that makes you grown up. It's a difference between an in-depth reading and a surface level reading, and while the latter is what lots of kids participate in, it's also where lots of adults spend their time. If people are childish, it's because they're trying (and failing) to recapture that magic they had as a child. It's not because they don't engage with the material.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:27
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computer parts posted:No one has been saying that doing this or that makes you grown up. It's a difference between an in-depth reading and a surface level reading, and while the latter is what lots of kids participate in, it's also where lots of adults spend their time. I recapture that magic every day dude. I still cry at the end of Watership Down, every time. I'll take that over half-assed 'readings' and trite observations any day
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Jul 29, 2015 15:36
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I don't think the issue is as black or white as some are making it out to be. I know for myself I have a bunch of different mindsets that I could potentially go into a movie with, and it depends mostly on practical stuff like how tired I am or if I've been having a good day. Just because I'm physically and mentally exhausted, and therefore would rather just enjoy an action flick on a surface level, that doesn't mean I'm childish or immature. Other times I'm in the mood to really dig into a film and dissect it, but I don't think that puts me above anyone else.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:37
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Clipperton posted:I recapture that magic every day dude. I still cry at the end of Watership Down, every time. You'll have to tell me about the spaceships in Watership Down.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:40
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The Time Dissolver posted:Why have goons been harping on this so hard lately? What is with these bouts of faddish wisdom that go around? Spectacle doesn't go away as you age, it's just different things that push the awe buttons. Because of what this year's biggest movies happen to be. Every time there's an announcement about the Star Wars film, the thread sees an influx of people who don't post here much but fall all over themselves telling everyone how excited they are about how the new trailer looks like what they saw when they were 7 and how dare anyone like the prequels or think they are good. A similar thing happened when Jurassic World came out: a bunch of drive-by posters were very mad when a few regulars here challenged them to think about the film as anything other than two hours' entertainment, and their responses were variantions on POPCORN MOVIE and TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN and MY CHILDHOOD. So "watch movies like an adult" is a direct response to that attitude and is shorthand for "have some sophistication when consuming media because it can allow you to understand and enjoy it more fully". It's not a new sentiment at all, it's just highly relevant this year.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:17
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:So "watch movies like an adult" is a direct response to that attitude and is shorthand for "have some sophistication when consuming media because it can allow you to understand and enjoy it more fully". It's not a new sentiment at all, it's just highly relevant this year. How do you know you're enjoying it more than the turn-your-brain-off people? Did you measure their brainwaves or something?
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Jul 29, 2015 16:37
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Yes, I've embedded chips in everyone's brain that measures enjoyment and sexual arousal while watching movies. Keep an eye on BuzzFeed next month for when I name the 17 Sexiest Movie Characters Nobody Will Admit To Being Turned On By.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:43
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Clipperton posted:How do you know you're enjoying it more than the turn-your-brain-off people? Did you measure their brainwaves or something? if you learn how to have fun and appreciate life you get extra ways you can enjoy things, you don't lose all the old ones. most of the other ways to enjoy movies are a lot less fragile and easily ruined than hoping for a total information blackout or the perfect zenlike state of blankness to receive sweet stunts, if you can enjoy Jurassic Park or whatever on a technical or symbolic or whoa-did-you-see-that-raptor level rather than fretting about the pure experience seeing a post on the cuck a tranny I'm gay forum last week has taken away from you, you will have the power to enjoy the movie under any conditions and realize that what the forum post took from you was actually nothing at all.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:54
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:if you learn how to have fun and appreciate life you get extra ways you can enjoy things, you don't lose all the old ones. Way to beg the exact question we're supposed to be discussing itt
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Jul 29, 2015 17:12
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:what the forum post took from you was actually nothing at all. Even better - what the lovely forum post took from you was the very fantasy that the experience you desired was worth having. Spoilerposting is christlike. Speaking of which, Jesus dies.
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Jul 29, 2015 19:17
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This thread is very confusing. I went into Jurassic World blind, and the movie complete trash. Are we talking about spoilers or what makes a movie or how people watch it or how much they enjoy it? It is so god drat easy to avoid any knowledge about a movie, I made you a check list. 1. Do you want to see this movie blind? Yes: Don't go into the thread No: go into the thread 2. Do you not know you would like the movie Yes: go into the thread don't read spoilers, read reviews No: Do whatever you want
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Jul 29, 2015 21:01
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I almost never care about spoilers unless I really don't want to know what's coming or want to go into it 'fresh' but even then if I read one or something I either forget I did or it doesn't really matter unless it gives away the whole movie or something. And even then, like with Terminator's trailer, it didn't matter because it made it look like poo poo when it wasn't.Hbomberguy posted:Even better - what the lovely forum post took from you was the very fantasy that the experience you desired was worth having. Heh, someone didn't get to the end. 
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Jul 29, 2015 21:34
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RBA Starblade posted:Heh, someone didn't get to the end. He was the first zombie.
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Jul 29, 2015 21:46
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Tenzarin posted:Are we talking about spoilers or what makes a movie or how people watch it or how much they enjoy it? We're talking about whether ARGH SPOILERS is a useful mentality to have and dipping into "What are the point of films" as a way of answering the initial question.
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Jul 29, 2015 21:53
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You can't answer a question with another question, this is not Jeopardy! Boom two spoilers!
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Jul 29, 2015 22:02
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The only problem I have with spoiler paranoia is reviews. It's okay if a review is two-parter - a quick summary and a general evaluation of sorts followed by an in-depth analysis of the work without consideration for spoilers, but usually it's either just the former stretched to an unreasonable length or some kind of a strange text that reads like the lamest SCP entry.
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Jul 29, 2015 22:50
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Tenzarin posted:This thread is very confusing. I went into Jurassic World blind, and the movie complete trash. Are we talking about spoilers or what makes a movie or how people watch it or how much they enjoy it? tbf while it is something people whine an incredible amount about this thread was not specifically inspired by the crime of people discussing a movie in a conversation specifically about that movie, but rather people seeing out-of-context mentions of which characters get stabbed in a movie based on a ten-year-old fantasy novel while browsing the hatespeech meme forum and being extremely offended that the mods did not care.
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Jul 30, 2015 05:38
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This reminds me of a twitter account @savedyouaclick revealing whether Tony Soprano dies at the end of the show, which was hidden at the end of a 5000 word longread. The Verge flipped out and accused him of this:quote:It is bullshit because he didn't save anyone a click at all — he stole an experience. That story is great. It is absolutely worth the click. Arguing that it's not because the headline is phrased in the form of a question is reductive to the point of absurdity, just like arguing against lists or quizzes or gifs or any specific form of art is absurd. Rock music. Horror movies. A generation raised on rebellion has grown up to instead police the web pages of the larger internet from the wide-ranging terrorism of mild curiosity. We are all of us the Tipper Gore of clickbait headlines. Parental advisory: viral content. http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/27/6075535/are-you-proud-of-yourself-savedyouaclick-question-mark-nope Experience thief!
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Jul 30, 2015 17:38
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quote:It is bullshit because he didn't save anyone a click at all — he stole an experience. Is honestly one of my favorite quotes of all time. It's so drat funny!
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Jul 30, 2015 18:06
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So a guy who "saves a click" spoiled something? What were they expecting from something that spoils stuff, coupons? Are you going to try to tell me my healthcare isn't free?
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Jul 30, 2015 18:28
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Tenzarin posted:So a guy who "saves a click" spoiled something? What were they expecting from something that spoils stuf,f coupons? Are you going to try to tell me my healthcare isn't free? Amazon's one-click buying spoils the e-business experience
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Jul 30, 2015 23:38
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:We're talking about whether ARGH SPOILERS is a useful mentality to have and dipping into "What are the point of films" as a way of answering the initial question. Giving away the twist in a movie that includes a major twist makes watching the movie less interesting and makes re-watching it less interesting. Is anyone actually arguing major spoilers like this are bad?
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Aug 23, 2015 15:55
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The Time Dissolver posted:If I was able to tell you the date of your death, and did so, would it affect how you live your life? "Nah man, I am not some weak womanly irrational creature of destructive emotionality, I am smart and intellectual with a non-feeling mind honed obsidian-sharp from thinking hard about everything all the time but never ever feeling anything, nosirree" Taken at face value this is the worst post I have ever read on these forums. Taken as a weak trolling effort it's still worse than a goatman banme post.
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There are some things where spoilers don't really matter, but I really do enjoy being surprised and also the feeling of not knowing where things are going. There's plenty of stories where that feeling isn't one of the main reasons to watch something, but there are definitely cases where it is. Some example off of the top of my head: -Circumstances of Hannibal's capture in the show Hannibal (while the fact that it happens isn't a terrible spoiler) -Some of the left field twists in the Song of Ice and Fire books (the show wouldn't feel the same way) -First time watching Carnivale, knowing literally nothing other than "there's a Carnival and some mystical stuff" -Watching Sorcerer only knowing that it was the director's movie after Excorcist (not even knowing the premise) Interestingly, only one of those is from a movie, and not really intentional. One of my favorite recent movies is Mad Max: Fury Road. Could this movie have been spoiled? I would say yes, but not by telling me the plot. The first time I watched it, I was just amazed by how overwhelming the movie was. If some of those more ridiculous moments had been spoiled for me, I wouldn't have had the same feeling.
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Pascallion posted:-Watching Sorcerer only knowing that it was the director's movie after Excorcist (not even knowing the premise) Have I got a spoiler for you! 
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Aug 23, 2015 17:58
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There is a certain pleasure in seeing something in a movie that you absolutely did not expect. Nobody would bother writing plot twists if there weren't. It's not the only way a movie can be entertaining and it rarely ruins a film entirely to have things spoiled, but spoiling things can blunt that specific enjoyment.
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Aug 23, 2015 20:50
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Is it really all that weird that I sometimes like being spoiled on stuff? If a work doesn't immediately grab me, it's pretty nice to know if it's going somewhere interesting, honestly.
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Sep 9, 2015 21:20
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Knowing that something exists in a show that could be considered spoilers is a huge selling point. People talking in hushed tones about 'that part' and seeing blacked out text all secretive-like is probably what made me see Breaking Bad. Which was rad. It's also why I saw Hannibal though. So you win some, you lose some
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Those are both wins tbh, I'm not sure if I'd call Hannibal outright good but it's at least one of the most entertaining and/or batshit things on TV in recent memory
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I didn't like it. It seemed really heavy-handed and the plot threads never came together in a satisfying way. I feel like I somehow missed half of the show while watching it.
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Sep 11, 2015 11:55
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Hbomberguy posted:I didn't like it. It seemed really heavy-handed and the plot threads never came together in a satisfying way. I feel like I somehow missed half of the show while watching it. Season 2 was the peak. The big appeal for the show was more that the visuals/cinematography was so far ahead of almost anything you see on TV.
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Sep 11, 2015 14:41
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Based on the otherwise great reaction to the show the problem is probably Me. I spoiled myself on season 3 but even the stuff in that doesn't really make me want to watch another 13 hours of it.
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Pascallion posted:There are some things where spoilers don't really matter, but I really do enjoy being surprised and also the feeling of not knowing where things are going. There's plenty of stories where that feeling isn't one of the main reasons to watch something, but there are definitely cases where it is. Yea, I think we shouldn't really confine "spoilers" to just plot twist spoilers, which as we've seen elsewhere in this thread aren't necessarily a bad thing. The novelty of other elements of a film completely unrelated to plot can be diminished by trailers or what have you as well, and novelty is a very powerful sensation. Heck, I consider it a spoiler, in a way, when people give me their opinion on the finale of a show before I've seen it. Because while they might not have spoiled anything related to the content of the show, they've primed my response to it.
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Hbomberguy posted:I didn't like it. It seemed really heavy-handed and the plot threads never came together in a satisfying way. I feel like I somehow missed half of the show while watching it. You probably did. Not criticizing you at all, the show's dialogue usually has at least two meanings and Mikkelsen's lines can be tough to hear on first watch. Mikkelsen also makes a ton of incredibly subtle facial expressions so the show is a really rewarding re-watch.
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i have a strong belief in: if a spoiler ruins a movie then it was a poo poo movie to begin with.
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Sep 23, 2015 09:27
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When people say "ruin," it's probably either hyperbole or them badly expressing their feelings, where they meant to say, "you caused me to miss out on the really fun, surprised, 'holy poo poo' reaction I would have had otherwise." It's important to try to figure out what people are TRYING to say and argue that as opposed to what they actually say sometimes.
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OP, how is your internet conversation specifically being stifled by trying to avoid spoilers? Your only example of this is the GBS spoiler thread titles, which are deliberate dick moves and not intended to engender discussion in any way. In my experience, it's pretty easy to not post spoilers. I don't like spoilers myself, so I don't watch trailers or read forum threads about stuff I'm interested in watching. I had to get off the forums when TFA was released because goons would discuss it anywhere, but I don't get the impression anyone really enjoyed every thread turning into a Star Wars thread for a week. You seem to be solely arguing that because you don't find your experience to be lessened by spoilers, that must hold true for everybody else as well. This is such a bizarre universalism and it's gotten really prevalent online recently. A lot of goons have made that same argument (in this thread, even), and I've read several articles proudly declaring that spoilers aren't real. Almost always backed up with that one study about short stories. Do you also hold that anyone who dislikes your favorite food or likes to have sex with people you're not into is also just a whiny self-deluding baby?
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In the real world, people are entitled to their opinions, but some opinions are wrong. Just because spoilers matter to you doesn't meant they actually matter. You can get really caremad about a lot of stupid poo poo on planet Earth. Sometimes it is limiting to do so. The idea that foreknowledge of any piece of (or even all of) a plot can ruin a film, is wrong - and if it ruins a film 'for you', that's actually an admission of failure.
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