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Spoilers as a concept died for me last year when I watched The Sopranos with dozens of scenes, including the final scene, "spoiled" by YouTube. Not a single one ruined my enjoyment of the show. In a couple of cases, I even appreciated knowing what happened so I could pay more attention to how the scene played out.
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The Time Dissolver posted:People who think spoilers don't matter aren't psychologically healthy What?
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Jul 28, 2015 17:02
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The Time Dissolver posted:Why have goons been harping on this so hard lately? What is with these bouts of faddish wisdom that go around? Spectacle doesn't go away as you age, it's just different things that push the awe buttons. Because of what this year's biggest movies happen to be. Every time there's an announcement about the Star Wars film, the thread sees an influx of people who don't post here much but fall all over themselves telling everyone how excited they are about how the new trailer looks like what they saw when they were 7 and how dare anyone like the prequels or think they are good. A similar thing happened when Jurassic World came out: a bunch of drive-by posters were very mad when a few regulars here challenged them to think about the film as anything other than two hours' entertainment, and their responses were variantions on POPCORN MOVIE and TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN and MY CHILDHOOD. So "watch movies like an adult" is a direct response to that attitude and is shorthand for "have some sophistication when consuming media because it can allow you to understand and enjoy it more fully". It's not a new sentiment at all, it's just highly relevant this year.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:17
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Yes, I've embedded chips in everyone's brain that measures enjoyment and sexual arousal while watching movies. Keep an eye on BuzzFeed next month for when I name the 17 Sexiest Movie Characters Nobody Will Admit To Being Turned On By.
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Jul 29, 2015 16:43
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Tenzarin posted:Are we talking about spoilers or what makes a movie or how people watch it or how much they enjoy it? We're talking about whether ARGH SPOILERS is a useful mentality to have and dipping into "What are the point of films" as a way of answering the initial question.
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Jul 29, 2015 21:53
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Kajeesus posted:OP, how is your internet conversation specifically being stifled by trying to avoid spoilers? Your only example of this is the GBS spoiler thread titles, which are deliberate dick moves and not intended to engender discussion in any way. In my experience, it's pretty easy to not post spoilers. I don't like spoilers myself, so I don't watch trailers or read forum threads about stuff I'm interested in watching. I had to get off the forums when TFA was released because goons would discuss it anywhere, but I don't get the impression anyone really enjoyed every thread turning into a Star Wars thread for a week.
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Jan 10, 2016 20:39
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Kajeesus posted:I can see that, but if you're gonna post something that you realize people might consider a spoiler, why not just slap a spoiler tag on it even though it's not really one? You get to be as specific as you want and nobody's experience or expectations are ruined. With regard to The Force Awakens, what constitutes a spoiler? Clearly, when we're limiting the idea to major plot points and surprises, the killing of Han Solo by his son Kylo Ren counts. This is not only the death of a beloved main character, but also a major plot point that influences the course of the rest of the film. The relationship between the two of them is a surprise as well, in that it is unexpected for a "good guy" to be the father of the villain. But what about more minor details of the film? Is the fact that Luke Skywalker is missing -- information conveyed in the opening crawl -- a spoiler? What about the first line of spoken dialogue? What about the fact that the forgettable minor character who says this line dies less than five minutes later? What about the visual similarity between the Republic of the prequels and the Republic in this film? What about the thematic relevance of this similarity? None of these are important plot points, and yet I have seen claims about all of them being spoilers somewhere on the internet. There are people who proudly didn't watch any trailers before seeing the film for the first time so they could see it with "an open mind" (a debatable claim, but whatever) and get worked up about seeing some minor detail unexpectedly on Twitter. Turns out everything is a spoiler to someone. Here's another look at the absurdity of spoilers: the Sicario thread. Early spoiler tag use was fine and considerate to readers looking for a hot take on release weekend. But the practice of tagging everything that could hypothetically trigger a spoiler complaint became so entrenched that it persisted even when all the new posts were by the same few posters writing to each other a month after wide release. Thankfully, the enthusiasm for discussion was high because the effort of trying to write without revealing anything important, considering whether what you wrote is a spoiler, and checking to be sure you made the right call about every word may have resulted in a considerably less rich discussion. *Note that I have to signal that you should stop engaging with me, stop receiving what I'm trying to communicate. If you choose not to click, the rest of the post is meaningless to you. But I want to you read it. If there's a chance no one will read it, why write in the first place? This is a fundamental struggle of communication, of course, but it is made more difficult by the obsession with spoilers.
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Jan 10, 2016 21:49
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Yaws posted:Many films rely on twists and turns in their plot to entice audiences and keep them guessing.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:08
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Yaws posted:I steadfastly disagree Terrorist. I'm not saying narrative tricks are bad or cheap thrills or whatever, but the number of films that are just a rollercoaster ride of plot twists is very small. Most films that employ big twists have a lot of other things going for them, e.g. good cinematography or well-developed characters, that have value once the impact of seeing them for the first time has worn off. In this sense, it's hard to say a film "relies" on twists and turns to make it worth seeing -- they're one element in a list of good stuff.
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Jan 10, 2016 23:05
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Anal Surgery posted:Too bad? It matters to some people and if you want to be nice, you'll make a good faith effort to use a *reasonable* amount of discretion. I personally don't think swearing should matter to people but when I'm at the office, I keep it polite even though it ~hamstrings my personal expression~ because I think it's valuable to make reasonable accommodations for people's comfort and enjoyment when possible. That's ALSO how adults act. quote:I remember one of my wife's friends wanted to show me Firefly because I'd never seen it. She then constantly spoiled things that were going to happen because she's one of those horrible people who can't shut up during a show going "Ooh this is good, ooh look look this is great, ooh you're gonna love this upcoming fight scene oh boy i just love what happens next" and bragging about how "she could tell right away the first time that this was actually that, you'll see". I told her I prefer to watch a show unspoiled and she said, "Well, you know they published a study saying spoilers don't really affect your enjoyment" with the biggest
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Jan 11, 2016 18:39
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face. She pretty much ruined the experience for me and I put an end to Firefly nights with her because of it. This is my experience of the 
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