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Rainbow Unicorn posted:This is true but also a little misleading and dismissive because in some industries it is increasingly a requirement to put yourself way, way out there on social media, enough so that if an online community decided to suddenly make you a target of harassment you'd be totally screwed with very little recourse. Obviously at the end of the day people who put themselves on social media are choosing to do so, but sometimes it is a very real decision between "welp, do I find a different job/career or do I risk the possibility that somewhere someday a bunch of ill adjusted sociopaths will post my address and phone number to an online message board and harass me for a year+ straight" I've been in Computer Science and the surrounding culture for almost 15 years and I have yet to find an effective counter to troll culture. They evolve just as fast as the medium. Short of removing anonymity entirely, or drastically increasing the powers of net surveillance, it's basically whackamole.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Ehhh idk man I like feminism but it does seem to have become a hobby for the privileged. I get the impression Anita is probably more recognizable than Sandra Fluke. That's a little sad. Modern identity politics based feminism is inherently a privileged hobby
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Ehhh idk man I like feminism but it does seem to have become a hobby for the privileged. I get the impression Anita is probably more recognizable than Sandra Fluke. That's a little sad. Well she works harder than Sandra Fluke.
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SedanChair posted:Well she works harder than Sandra Fluke. Take it easy Rush Limbaugh, we're not out to steal your medicaid old man.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:18
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RIP Hellthread, you were too beautiful for this world.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:I've been in Computer Science and the surrounding culture for almost 15 years and I have yet to find an effective counter to troll culture. They evolve just as fast as the medium. Short of removing anonymity entirely, or drastically increasing the powers of net surveillance, it's basically whackamole. Similar experience here and I 100% agree. This is why I have no real solutions to offer, just a lot of frustrated observation.
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SedanChair posted:Well she works harder than Sandra Fluke. My impression is it has to do with more people caring about feminism as it relates to their hobbies more than anything else.
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Dreylad posted:Why are hellthread topics getting thrown into D&D where it'll run for 200 pages then get gassed?  in advance to any or all of us in case this was some super clever honeypot or whatever.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:My impression is it has to do with more people caring about feminism as it relates to their hobbies more than anything else. My impression is that people are more likely to encounter feminism when it intersects with something they already know about, thanks to thirty years or so of propaganda from the radical right and their useful idiots like BBG.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:My impression is it has to do with more people caring about feminism as it relates to their hobbies more than anything else. Games are about the most important form of media there is nowadays, and the one filled with the most gross sexism.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:22
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SedanChair posted:Games are about the most important form of media there is nowadays, and the one filled with the most gross sexism. Since this is a new thread, what forms of sexism stand out most to you?
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http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-confederate-flag/
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Since this is a new thread, what forms of sexism stand out most to you? He's upset the majority of female characters have the same skin tone as him. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Since this is a new thread, what forms of sexism stand out most to you? I agree with everything Anita Sarkeesian has ever said.
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Archer666 posted:Also what's D&D's stance on hot twinks cosplaying as anime characters? I approve
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SedanChair posted:I agree with everything Anita Sarkeesian has ever said. Oh. OK.
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Please keep all posts strictly on topic in this thread. The substantial difference between this thread being in D&D and the other one that was in GBS, is that moderators will be looking at it sometimes, and I've asked them not to pull their punches.
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Rainbow Unicorn posted:This is true but also a little misleading and dismissive because in some industries it is increasingly a requirement to put yourself way, way out there on social media, enough so that if an online community decided to suddenly make you a target of harassment you'd be totally screwed with very little recourse. Obviously at the end of the day people who put themselves on social media are choosing to do so, but sometimes it is a very real decision between "welp, do I find a different job/career or do I risk the possibility that somewhere someday a bunch of ill adjusted sociopaths will post my address and phone number to an online message board and harass me for a year+ straight" It's hosed up, but also not really a problem. Set up a idealized facebook/twitter page for the companies and a more personal facebook/twitter for friends. With privacy settings you can easily manage who gets to see what. There's still a risk of getting your picture backtracked to you, I'll admit that. But I wholeheartedly believe that if you're extremely careful, you have nothing to fear when it comes to getting doxxed. Peel posted:I wonder if one background factor in this is a collision of cultures between people used to pseudonymous communities held separate from real life (and where anything goes), and newer Internet users who treat social media as you're encouraged to, as an adjunct to your real identity. As someone from a earlier internet generation, it's always a little strange for me when people do their best to put their names out into the internet as much as they can. Also taking facebook/twitter extremely seriously, if this gamergate mess is to be believed. It's the complete opposite of what I was taught about the internet in the day. The fact that we're actually seriously discussing calling the police to arrest people for trolling someone is, to a part of me, completely surreal. This mess is basically the old and the new internet generations clashing. The old are making fun of the new, who deal with trolls and shitposting in a fundamentally different level.
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Ralp posted:It's not, in any way shape or form, but some mentally insane people want to keep posting about it, and here is more appropriate than GBS. Just throwing out an idea here but maybe you could ban them???
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Archer666 posted:It's hosed up, but also not really a problem. Set up a idealized facebook/twitter page for the companies and a more personal facebook/twitter for friends. With privacy settings you can easily manage who gets to see what. There's still a risk of getting your picture backtracked to you, I'll admit that. But I wholeheartedly believe that if you're extremely careful, you have nothing to fear when it comes to getting doxxed. The basic assumptions about human behavior on display here are astounding, as is the belief that existence should consist of carefully siloed identities from here to eternity.
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Archer666 posted:As someone from a earlier internet generation, it's always a little strange for me when people do their best to put their names out into the internet as much as they can. Also taking facebook/twitter extremely seriously, if this gamergate mess is to be believed. It's the complete opposite of what I was taught about the internet in the day. The fact that we're actually seriously discussing calling the police to arrest people for trolling someone is, to a part of me, completely surreal. Pretty much. Back in the day drama was contained to usenet groups and IRC. Now in this modern era everyone can see whatever mind-numbing thing enters your head in 140 characters or less. I think half the problem is people reflexively use Twitter and either don't think about what they say, or forget that context doesn't exist on social media.
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SedanChair posted:I agree with everything Anita Sarkeesian has ever said. That doesn't answer anything. Give specific examples that you have a problem with. Hell take a current game you are playing.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Just throwing out an idea here but maybe you could ban them??? Wouldn't you rather change their minds if they're as bad as you think?
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BexGu posted:That doesn't answer anything. Give specific examples that you have a problem with. Hell take a current game you are playing. What is the purpose of this question? To deny that sexism exists in video games, gaming culture, the United States, the world? Sephiroth_IRA posted:Wouldn't you rather change their minds if they're as bad as you think? Actually, I would rather the sort of person who cares about this not exist at all, rather than being reoriented to be a idiocy factory for a better cause. So in lieu of them getting the necessary psychotherapy...
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Effectronica posted:What is the purpose of this question? To deny that sexism exists in video games, gaming culture, the United States, the world? To prove gamer cred, obviously. quote:Actually, I would rather the sort of person who cares about this not exist at all, rather than being reoriented to be a idiocy factory for a better cause. So in lieu of them getting the necessary psychotherapy... You're not related to former poster bonvivant, are you? InsanityIsCrazy fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Wouldn't you rather change their minds if they're as bad as you think? They're not bad, they're mentally ill as Ralp said. You can't change a crazy person's mind.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Wouldn't you rather change their minds if they're as bad as you think? No I wouldn't put hellposters into the group titled 'open to new ideas or challenging their own closely held beliefs' at all.
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RIP Hellthread, had a good run.Dreylad posted:They're not bad, they're mentally ill as Ralp said. You can't change a crazy person's mind. Who?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:To prove gamer cred, obviously. Nah, I really want to know. Just saying I agree with everything one popular persons says makes SedanChair come off more as a unthinking robot then a real person. Of course games has a sexist problem, but I'm asking how bad SedanChair thinks it is and in what areas.
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BexGu posted:That doesn't answer anything. Give specific examples that you have a problem with. Hell take a current game you are playing. Why, so I can activate your trap card? I don't follow the treasured litany of ingroup gamergater rebuttals to examples of obvious sexism, and I have no interest in invoking them. Decide sexism doesn't exist, but don't expect me to have a conversation with you about it.
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So the Ethnics In Game Journalism thing is where we're supposed to be mad that some indy developer hosed some critic once, right?
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The most interesting thing about this is that the radical right actually believes some of the things it says. Witness, for example, people using their status as a minority to attempt to destroy all opposition.
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Effectronica posted:The most interesting thing about this is that the radical right actually believes some of the things it says. Witness, for example, people using their status as a minority to attempt to destroy all opposition. feminofascism
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I think I've seen mental illness and a few reasonable people on both sides. Somehow the topic keeps ending up on the news, the radio and referenced in popular media so it's not like people are still talking about one thing that happened a year ago. The goons who still care about Doobie seem far more mentally ill by comparison.
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Effectronica posted:The most interesting thing about this is that the radical right actually believes some of the things it says. Witness, for example, people using their status as a minority to attempt to destroy all opposition. Well why else would you listen to me? This was my expert ruse to deflect criticism. Sephiroth_IRA posted:I think I've seen mental illness and a few reasonable people on both sides. Somehow the topic keeps ending up on the news, the radio and referenced in popular media so it's not like people are still talking about one thing that happened a year ago. How can you be reasonable in defense of sexism, or in opposition to feminism? Wrong side of history man.
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PupsOfWar posted:So the Ethnics In Game Journalism thing is where we're supposed to be mad that some indy developer hosed some critic once, right? Actually no. It's not the relationship between a "developer" and a "journalist," its the non-disclosure. Since being good friends with someone is obviously going to color your review of their product. That's really it, and one of the many good things that has come from gamergate, beyond the hilarity of people melting down about it, is that many sites now have disclosures as part of their review process.
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