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Black Baby Goku posted:So now it's about the police won't help privileged white women with 4chan trolls? "Privileged white women" is code that only misogynists use to dismiss all feminism. Unless a woman says it, in which case it is completely different. This is not sarcasm, though you might find it frustrating.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Ehhh idk man I like feminism but it does seem to have become a hobby for the privileged. I get the impression Anita is probably more recognizable than Sandra Fluke. That's a little sad. Well she works harder than Sandra Fluke.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:16
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:My impression is it has to do with more people caring about feminism as it relates to their hobbies more than anything else. Games are about the most important form of media there is nowadays, and the one filled with the most gross sexism.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:21
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Since this is a new thread, what forms of sexism stand out most to you? I agree with everything Anita Sarkeesian has ever said.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:27
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BexGu posted:That doesn't answer anything. Give specific examples that you have a problem with. Hell take a current game you are playing. Why, so I can activate your trap card? I don't follow the treasured litany of ingroup gamergater rebuttals to examples of obvious sexism, and I have no interest in invoking them. Decide sexism doesn't exist, but don't expect me to have a conversation with you about it.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:40
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Effectronica posted:The most interesting thing about this is that the radical right actually believes some of the things it says. Witness, for example, people using their status as a minority to attempt to destroy all opposition. Well why else would you listen to me? This was my expert ruse to deflect criticism. Sephiroth_IRA posted:I think I've seen mental illness and a few reasonable people on both sides. Somehow the topic keeps ending up on the news, the radio and referenced in popular media so it's not like people are still talking about one thing that happened a year ago. How can you be reasonable in defense of sexism, or in opposition to feminism? Wrong side of history man.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:46
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Feminism is alright. Sexism is a bad thing but it's OK for it to be reflected in media and like violence it's not always a terrible thing in media. Sure, I just think it's hilarious when gamer misogynists get flustered when it's even pointed out.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:53
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Wait, I thought Bayonetta was empowering to some? This is really weird. quote:The mainstream media has focused predominantly on the harassment that women like developer Brianna Wu and culture critic Anita Sarkeesian have faced. The speciality gaming press seems to be focused on distancing itself from GamerGate, forgetting Thomas Jefferson's thought that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing. I don't think they are forgetting it, they just didn't imagine that those Georgian period waistcoats would ever stretch so tightly across the form of the gamergaters, nor that they would be so stained.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:09
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paranoid randroid posted:uhh the freaking omnisexual blue chicks that are smoking hot to everyone in the entire galaxy but also still look like humans more or less are feminist? Well duh, they are women that were allowed into a game.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:15
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Dapper Dan posted:And unfortunately, they went with the idiotic sex cards that were more like a porn game than a mainstream release. I don't attribute it to malice, just having absolutely no idea what they were doing. Which is why when ME came out and other games started having content like that, they dropped it like they should have in the first place. There's no mistake or inadvertence to it, women and their sexual conquest are for collecting.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:24
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Remember how everything "gamergaters" complained about was trivial and ridiculous? Remember how for gamergate fellow-travelers, a litany has been established of how women in gaming are crazy, and not them? Talking about Brianna Wu when you ought to be talking about yourselves. A shame.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:14
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Hadaka Apron posted:Yeah, Wu is legitimately mentally ill. Wow, she must be hysterical, she can't even tell the made-up death threats from the real and terrifying ones
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Jun 26, 2015 20:19
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Hadaka Apron posted:That person was joking about gassing Gamergaters, not gassing Anti-GG people. How does that make her crazy?
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Jun 26, 2015 20:22
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I said come in! posted:This one time she was giving a speech at a college, and a student left their backpack behind by mistake. She instantly thought the backpack had a bomb in it, stopped her talk, and ran away. Demanded that police protect her at all times. Death threats are traumatic and just might make you overly cautious! It's really perverse that gamergaters will send death threats and then titter amongst themselves when their victim shows signs of panic.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:25
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Boy this woman I've been threatening on the internet for months sure is acting paranoid
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Jun 26, 2015 20:26
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Terrible Opinions posted:That she took something clearly on her side of the argument and obfuscated it to appear to be on the opposing side. Like GG is dumb as gently caress, but Wu is there same exact sort. Hence her game literally being nothing by hyper sexualized women. Hey they make up woman mascots, they probably make up anti-gamergate death threats as well.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:27
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Look at all this talk about the Playboy Club, like it was real life. It's not real life, it's a club.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:29
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natetimm posted:All studies point to this actually being true. I am a child. I only learn at my parent's knee, and at church. These are the only places I learn. *watches Saw*
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Jun 26, 2015 20:31
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Dapper Dan posted:I posted a study where a multi year German study found no link between sexist attitudes and gaming. Here it is again: Um that's a Forbes article, not the study.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:34
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No I already looked at that. My point is that if you're linking to a Forbes article by a gamer neckbeard, and not the study itself, you may be ill-qualified to weigh in on the validity of the study
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Jun 26, 2015 20:37
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Dapper Dan posted:Alright, just thought it would be easier to post a summar. But here is the article: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cyber.2014.0492 That's also a summary. Have you actually paid a dollar and read the study?
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Jun 26, 2015 20:39
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XMNN posted:Creepy. It's a good thing none of this is real
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Jun 26, 2015 20:47
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XMNN posted:Things don't have to be real to be creepy. And we've come full circle! This was the point being illustrated. "It's just a game" or "it's just An Internet" is not a meaningful thing to say when discussing messages.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:58
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Powercrazy posted:None of them are real nor terrifying. hth. They're real, the filth who want to see her dead have just decided they aren't. They're so ubiquitous and post so much that this "fake death threats" narrative been accepted by some people who, to their credit, are not overt misogynists and are just dupes. You don't have to be a dupe though.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:54
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Dapper Dan posted:Please god no, I had hoped that they would have run off together. They are going to produce the worst poo poo ever. And Budget Kane has a skull fetish. I can't imagine what any of this means.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:17
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Al Cowens posted:The same way SedanChair is black. That morons can't understand it?
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Jun 27, 2015 07:48
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Guys, a member of an industry hosed a journalist...that covers that very industry
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Jun 27, 2015 07:49
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Al Cowens posted:Veering a little too off topic. Oh do you think so?
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Jun 27, 2015 07:51
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SedanChair posted:Al Cowens posted: No, and she doesn't appear to either. I mean somebody who secretly believes that segregation would be positive (like you) might somehow infer that was her implication, but only the sort of person who is used to dogwhistle media (again, you) would think that. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 07:58
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Al Cowens posted:It was posted as a "rebuttal" that went nowhere, and she never cited that study. That's pretty damning. It damns her to what? What is it supposed to mean?
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Jun 27, 2015 08:00
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Al Cowens posted:You're smarter than this. But you haven't provided me any evidence that you are. So tell me, what was she trying to say?
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Jun 27, 2015 08:05
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There is no equivalency here, "anti-GG" is just normal people who find sweating, death-threatening men hunched over a laptop emitting squeals to be a tawdry phenomenon. It's not just feminists who should spend time pointing out how gross and stunted they are, it's everyone. And when the human voles known as "gamergaters" grunt and dig for twitter nuggets they imagine to bolster their position, it doesn't satisfy anyone who doesn't give off their acrid musk.
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Jun 27, 2015 08:56
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Profondo Rosso posted:"anti gamergate" as in generally thinking gamergate is a poo poo thing for poo poo people is quite different from forming an entire identity over the thought that gamergate is dumb. its not a difficult concept I don't think anybody is doing that though but if they did that would be fine, those dudes are gross
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Jun 27, 2015 08:57
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Do you follow videogame journalism at all? for the past 5 years there have been these coordinated pushes on social media combined with journalist articles calling out game developers over social issues stuff. It's mostly feminist issues, since alot of the meat and ideas of what to push come from feminist games academics, but their was racial stuff too. the last ones I remember before gamergate started was the push for female playable characters in assassins creed and another complaining about the lack of black people in kingdom come deliverance. The developer of that game become a pretty big gamergate supporter and I think I know why. Those are all really important issues though. Only racists and sexists would have a problem with covering them.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:14
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Al Cowens posted:Let's not forget the one assassin's creed which had a black, mixed race, female slave liberating protagonist and was actually pretty well received, but not by the identity politicians because they don't actually play games. Why not more? Throwing out an example is called tokenism. Everyone needs to keep complaining until real equal representation in media is achieved.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:17
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Al Cowens posted:
How sincere.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:24
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Al Cowens posted:Closest option. More specifically, Portland/SF/Toronto care crew should stop resorting to asinine tokenism, and condescendingly lecturing actual minorities and calling them house friend of the family uncle toms when they get fed up with their bullshit and having their very existence declared "problematic" You sure have a narrative in your head, I'll give you that.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:30
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What's my narrative then?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:35
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"Racism exists " oh wow nice narrative sedanchair 
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But pushing that agenda is 100% good. It doesn't matter if gamers want to see those messages or not, they should be forced to see them, because they are barbarians and need wise, civilizing women academics to restructure their minds to comply with feminism. Everyone should comply with the expectations of feminism.
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