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Anyone who doesn't like Alien 3 didn't watch the right version, the Assembly Cut is really awesome and right up there with 1 and 2. gently caress that Canadian-South African idiot for ret-conning 3 out of his stupid reboot which will most likely have great CG but be really disappointing.
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Yeah I read the script for the cold-war space-russia one and it was really really bad. I couldn't believe who wrote it as it felt like someone's really lovely POLITICAL THRILLER that got hastily adapted to an aliens movie. The aliens becoming "airborne" and just making people explode into aliens nearly instantly destroyed everything that made aliens scary and cool. I'm not sure there's really anything more that can be done with the franchise, or at least the alien monster. If I was "incharge" of it all I'd probably have humans go off and explore something new, like the space jockey dudes. I think there's a potentially cool story there, maybe one day they'll expand on it. You'd just have to make sure not to absolutely ruin the space jockey's, tie it into the alien storyline nicely while letting it stand on its own, have a good cast with characters that seemed to actual have motives and personalities, and a plot that actually made a lick of sense.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:32
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The map maker got lost. The space jockey's are just large humans. It is garbo.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:51
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We never actually see paul reiser killed in alien 2. The 3rd movie should be about how the aliens carted him back to their nest to be implanted but he escaped on his own and is now an interstellar con-man that travels to less developed planets and uses his useless MBA degree to crash their economies.
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Jun 29, 2015 19:11
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Maybe I need to give Prometheus another try but I didn't just not like it, it made me angry. There just seem to be way too many "deal breaker" things that don't make sense and seem like lovely writing/characterization. I get the plot, it's just a lovely plot.
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Jun 29, 2015 20:57
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The only excuse I could think of was that most of the crew were not actually top of their field but were hired because they would be dumb and expendable and maybe the whole mission and employer had a really bad reputation so only idiots signed up. I also just didn't like the plot. Aliens were, well, alien before. They and their creators really felt like something that come from beyond the stars, something eldrich and almost lovecraftian, something absolutely in no way related to humans, no shared history, no shared anything. Now we find out that the totally awesome and totally alien looking "space jocky" from alien was just a suit and inside was a creature just like a human but bigger who for some reason seeded life on earth and some how installed a mechanism to make humans evolve. Which is again lovely because I always like it in scify when humans are not created in god's image, have no special destiny, are not the long-lost ancestors to some glorious ancient race. We're lovely less-haired apes encountering alien horrors beyond our reckoning. But now, no, we were magically guided by space gods to evolve in their image making humans, the engineers, and the aliens all one big family. Prometheus managed to make humans the product of godly creationism and one of the most interesting, alien, and mysterious races in science fiction be "basically just humans but bigger".
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Jun 29, 2015 21:18
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Krampus Grewcock posted:I'm interested in seeing this version since I always felt Alien 3 was kinda unfairly maligned, though admittedly I haven't seen it since my late teens. I like that it tried to recapture the claustrophobic atmosphere of the first movie, while telling a different story. Does this version only exist with the boxsets or is it streamable? I'll probably end up with the blu-ray boxset eventually anyway, since the first two movies are some of my all time faves and Alien 4 is guilty pleasure. Didn't the flash-back to the engineers seeding earth show it was like before there was ANY life at all? Like primordial times. That bothers me less than in scify when they're like "Humans are actually ancient aliens and didn't actually evolve on earth!" which would negate all of biology and genetics and make no loving sense. Hell even in star trek they explain all the humanoid aliens looking the same because a humanoid alien just like the engineers found the universe empty of life they could relate to so seeded the universe with life knowing it would eventually into humanoids. I don't know how, I mean I can't think of any way to hide predestined genetic results into the earliest single-celled lifeforms but what ever.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:46
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The basic problem of a such a thread is that no-one has a concept of what made Alien or Aliens 'good'. So, we get a series of non-coherent two minute hates directed at such varied topics as the plot, the plot, the plot, and the shape of the computer screens. It's hard to always accurately identify what makes something really good, but it's pretty easy to pick up on what can ruin a movie. For me all a movie needs is a consistent plot and characters that act like humans (if they're human). The plot doesn't need to be groundbreaking, it can be some space truckers finding more than they bargained for investigating a beacon, what ever. As long as everyone acts believably, that the plot moves forward in a way that seems natural, and the writing and plot serve more than to just segue from one special-effects extravaganza set-piece to the next. I get a strong sense from a lot of lovely over-produced big budget effects-driven movies that the plot and characters are secondary to the effects. In Prometheus it felt like a bunch of disconnected separately conceived effects-shots that they thought would be totally cool or gross or scary strung together by a lovely plot to barely string them together, and the primary motive of each character was "move the plot to the next cool scene". While in Alien 1-3 all the big "setpiece" scenes very much felt like a natural result of the plot , and the plot felt like a natural result of the actions and motives of the characters. I don't care about the intention of the film maker. Maybe Aliens was actually conceived as just a but of cool action and scenes and strung together with a basic plot, but it works. Maybe Prometheus genuinely tried to have a good plot and characters, but it didn't work and is poo poo. Also unlikable uninteresting characters. In Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 I like the characters, I can remember the characters. Riply is great, Paul Riser plays the perfect 80's MBA corporate guy, the crew of the Nostromo feel like real people. The prisoners in Alien 3 are hilarious and nasty. Prometheus has a teen slasher cast, where everyone is suicidally stupid and unlikable so you cheer when they get killed.
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A movie needs all those elements to be good, but if any of those elements are made from stringy or beady poo poo it's going to be a poo poo movie. I'm only talking about what makes a movie bad. A bad plot can make a movie with really cool design or scary monsters lovely. A movie with a perfectly reasonable plot and characters that act in a believable way but garbage design is going to be lovely too. Alien isn't good because it has a good plot or characters, those are simply the minimums needed as a foundation to build a good movie on top of, which Alien does with its absolutely stunning design, with effects that still hold up today, with just the right blend of gore/horror, suspense, and action. But if you don't have that foundation of a serviceable plot or characters, no matter how good your design or effects or cinematography is it's going to be a bad movie for a lot of people. Of course a lot of that is subjective. People don't go into a slasher movie expecting a good plot or believable characters, and a lot of people go into scify just for the design and general concept rather than nit-picking plots or characters and can actually enjoy fun things.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:42
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Yeah, the actual alien is almost secondary to why I love the movie so much. Just that opening scene, the ship its self, the setting is amazing. I don't want more of that alien, I want more of that setting and feeling of hopeless mechanized isolation.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:11
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Also the whole colony was a massive state of the art industrial centre at one point but has become redundant to the needs of space-capital so it is abandoned to a dwindling penal cult. Despite living in an extremely advanced inter-stellar civilization, if you don't have a sufficient economic reason to exist you are abandoned, left to rot. Humans hold no intrinsic value in this future, their only value is in operating and maintaining the technology to create profit for the corporations. They still get supplied but they have to rely on candles for loving illumination, not out of some luddite spiritual purity but because society has deemed them unworthy of even getting replacement bulbs or the most basic parts to keep the power on. In Alien the crew were disposable corporate employees and contractors, the hopelessness came from the fact that the alien was worth far more than the crew. In Aliens the hopelessness came from the Marine's and corporate's arrogance and lack of planning and that Burke needed to keep everything on the down-low so he could personally take all the glory and profit rather than going in later with a larger and better equipped operation. In Alien 3 we've reached new levels of isolation and hopelessness as the planet is an abandoned squat filled with rejects and cast-offs of society. Not only is this a prison-planet, it's an abandoned prison planet. In Alien we see the lot of typical human every-mans, reduced to agentless ants crawling around inside a beeping and booping machine-hive serving the queen: "mother" and how its worker-ants are expendable and worthless. In Aliens we see the soldier-caste at work. So pumped up on military hype and technological invincibility but once again, ultimately expendable. In Alien 3 we see the lowest of the low, people who aren't even part of society anymore. A garbage dump for people and technology, the place expendable or defective people and infrastructure end up. In a way Prometheus tried to give us a look at the desperate ruling caste of this society, which could have been interesting, but pee pee doo doo bad movie. Also alien 3 had some amazing backgrounds. gently caress I love a good matte painting.    
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Jun 30, 2015 19:41
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What do we actually know about the new Alien 3 other than it being more "familiar" vs the actual wonderful Alien 3? So far all I've read is Blumpkin assuring everyone it will be a familiar normal rehash of the things the fans like/want and not at all like that terrible weird movie that was Alien 3 that he's excited about erasing.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:16
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Mountains of Madness is good and the parallels are obvious now that you point them out. Maybe I sperged out too hard and need to give the movie a 2nd try and not compare it to the other 3.
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Gaz2k21 posted:I don't think I've watched anything but the assembly cut ever since it was made available. They had the alien queen puppet on display at our science centre and I cried because I was so scared of it. Until my early teens I had a super strong fear of the "xenomorph" and couldn't even imagine watching the whole movie ever. I'd even have to overt my eyes from the Aliens arcade machines. I now love the movies but can't imagine ever playing Isolation, I'd probably cry again.
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Jul 9, 2015 22:05
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My friend had a couple alien action figures and I would often position things so I wouldn't have to see them when I was over, I was god drat terrified. Glad I wasn't the only one! Then one time they weren't where I was used to them and I sat down and bumped one into my lap and it took every once of self control not to freak out because at 11-12 I should not be scared of an action figure. I picked it up and put it away on a shelf deep behind some other figures. Also yeah, nightmares. Never with the alien in it, but the dream would just suddenly take a turn where I'd know I was in the "alien universe" and I'd absolutely panic at the idea of maybe seeing one and be terrified that maybe I had an egg in me. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 04:01
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What's it say?
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Jul 11, 2015 06:32
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cthulusnewzulubbq posted:It's been a while and I've forgotten. I think it's the tag line but I'm not sure. I asked my wife and she could actually sort of read it because all slavs are the same and said "in (something) no one can hear your screams". I think it's safe to assume it's space.
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Jul 12, 2015 01:56
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I think the lack of chestburster is a lot classier. It bursting out as she falls just feels too expected. I also like the longer Lance scenes in that ending.
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Jul 25, 2015 04:39
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My movie isn't bad look at all the money it made!
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Jul 25, 2015 04:48
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Yeah those mercenaries or what ever at the end of Alien 3 are awesome. The "marines" in alien 2 look like Vietnam era soldiers, but these dudes looked like some serious future fuckers. AvP was a travesty. The comics were established, the games were established, everyone loves marines and alien 2, everyone loves the alien universe. So what do they do? Make a lovely pg-13 modern day pyramid of garbage. Then when people complained that was garbage they thought it was simply because it was pg-13 so they made the next one pure gore porn of the worst sort.
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Jul 25, 2015 07:07
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I sat through Salo because it's an amazingly made movie but I turned off AvP2 because it was just gross and made me feel disturbed/uncomfortable. I've gotten more and more timid in my entertainment tastes these days, I really don't like movies where lots of innocent people and kids get graphically killed for shock value. Hell I find it hard to even kill in video games any more. If there's a way to do a no-death run I'll do it.
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Jul 27, 2015 22:57
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The whole "predators built all ancient buildings that were bigger on the bottom than top, look, they're ALL bigger on the bottom than the top!! ALIENS!" was so eye-rollingly stupid even Giorgio Tsoukalos would be embarrassed. Anyways, surprised to hear defense of AvP:R in this thread! Does anyone have anything good to say about Alien 4 other than ron pearlman is in it?
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Jul 28, 2015 02:07
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Sometimes the people defending very bad alien movies remind me of this interview with Randy Pitchford who made a very very bad alien game but absolutely can't admit it's bad because like nothing is bad it's all like subjective, man, who's really to say. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-23-an-hour-with-randy-pitchford
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Chairman Capone posted:Didn't Anderson actually read Chariots of the Gods and At the Mountains of Madness for "inspiration" when writing the AVP script? Yeah this poo poo is really souring me on him. Sure, make your own fan-service alien 3 but acting like he's going in and correcting some terrible injustice or disaster is just offensive to all the brilliant work that went into the very good movie that is alien 3 (assembly). Like, just make your version but you don't need to constantly tell everyone how awful alien 3 was. I'm guessing it's going to be a really cool looking Alien 2.5 that's 50% marines shooting aliens and fast-paced action and 50% fan service winks at the camera and references.
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Jul 30, 2015 22:24
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"Annalee Call" ruins the whole alphabetical android thing  Fuckin' resurrection.
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Jul 31, 2015 04:12
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I've gotten lost or turned around in buildings I helped design and in building I'm installing directional maps in. It can happen to navigational pros like me it can happen to idiot flunkies on space weed in a weird alien temple
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Sep 26, 2015 05:56
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Why am I not reading about and viewing pictures of various types of aliens right now???
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Oct 8, 2015 11:25
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Are any of the alien comics or books any good? I remember reading a couple avp comics years ago that were extremely hit and miss.
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Oct 8, 2015 11:47
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Dark = scary. Thanks for the comics list. I've never been a comic reader but I'll give a couple of them a shot
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So I've been reading a bunch of the three and two star alien comics from the list a page ago. Some of them are ok, for comics. I took a gander at some of the one and no star comics, good god. Why are comics for the most part so bad? Also every lady is drawn in the most male-gazey way. I know that's a comics tradition but man they are not subtle about it.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:24
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A lot of the comics contradict each other and there's absolutely no consistency in the alien's behavior, the universe's technology/culture/history, but some of the stories seem a bit linked or something. I read each one from the mindset that they were stand-alone fan fictions which made things easier. And yeah, a lot of the comics don't seem to "get" alien. So many have more or less the exact same plot. Scientists/military/corporation think they can control the aliens but SURPRISE they get loose and kill everyone! Sometimes the aliens are unstoppable and guns barely help, sometimes guns chew them up but there's just too many or the humans have too much hubris. Labyrinth had some really creepy body horror poo poo though, I like that they actually just went their own direction with the aliens and their behavior which actually presented something new rather than just a re-hashing of Aliens which is 90% of the comics.
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Neo Rasa posted:Is Labyrinth the one that ends with the Aliens trying to get the main character to impregnate his mom's corpse? Yep, hosed up. I also didn't quite get the ending or why the scientist was bad.
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Oct 13, 2015 04:26
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Is it explained how the aliens manage to take over earth? I know a single alien can gently caress up a bunch of unarmed space truckers, and some marines that are horribly outnumbered and clueless. But it seems unless there's some super intelligence or abilities we've never seen from the aliens that they'd just all get wiped out before they could become too big of a threat. They'd be more of a threat in rural or natural areas and potentially gently caress up the ecosystem but unless humans let them breed for years and mass to attack cities civilization wouldn't be too threatened. I guess it's my same problem with a lot of zombie situations, zombies would not be at all dangerous to an armed and organized group. Also in some comic I read they were saying the aliens were part of a massive extinction event that wipes out all life in the universe every few billion years or what ever. How the hell do they get around, they don't build space ships. Sure there will be accidental transportation and derelict ships but intelligent life spreads and colonizes way faster than the aliens could ever hope to accidentally hitch-hike across the galaxy. Someone would need to spread them on purpose on an industrial scale. The aliens are scary and awful but they're not supernatural. Alien showed a few civilians can, at great cost, actually "defeat" one. Aliens showed that even a bunch of totally unprepared idiots armed with modern weapons and hopelessly outnumbered can hold their own for quite a while and the result was the death of the queen and the hive. Alien 3 had to bring back the tension by making the terrain in the alien's favour and the humans unarmed. The aliens aren't scary because their some japanese horror movie style unstoppable supernatural force, they're scary for other reasons.
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The predators seem to have controlling/using the aliens for sport down to a science, which sort of defeats the whole "oh the hubris of man thinking they can ever hope to control the unstoppable alien!" theme. Predators routinely mess with the aliens, seed planets, capture and hold queens, all without their civilization getting wiped out. But yeah an organized cult dedicated to propagating and helping the aliens on earth is a good excuse. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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From what we've seen in the films the aliens are nasty, but they're just animals. They're vicious powerful agile predators with an ant-like hive social structure. Humans have encountered lions and other dangerous predators, we've encountered ants and bees, we've encountered parasites. The aliens are impressive creatures with a fantastic ability to adapt/mutate to fit their surroundings due to their life cycle, but they're still just dangerous animals with insect-hive levels of intelligence. I don't think the movies ever wanted to show the aliens them selves as this apocalyptic threat to humanity, just that our greed and hunger for power and advantage would see us using the aliens to inflict more suffering on innocent people, or even creating our own bio-weapons perhaps even worse than the aliens. At the least it would lead to more terrible accidents, more crews being wiped out because as shown in the comics the humans of this universe are sloppy as gently caress and exist in a libertarian paradise of mega-corporations that follow zero regulations or even internal safety standards of any sort.
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Also loving lol "18 AD A lone Engineer travels to Earth to instruct humans as a parent would do for a child. However, he is seen as a threat, misunderstood by many, and is killed and crucified by Romans. 36 AD Engineers learn of the murder of their ambassador by Humans and decide to exterminate all life on Earth by use of the chemical agent A0-3959x.91 – 15. Humans are considered a failed being as the murder of the ambassador is not forgivable. Humans may have developed in a technological sense but not from a moral sense and are indignant to learn it from their creator. If left unchecked, Humans may become a danger to the Universe. The Engineers use the outpost, originally intended to welcome their human creations, as the staging base for the sterilization of Earth. The remote outpost is also ideal because of hazardous nature of the preparations needed for planetary sterilization. " Is this canon? Haha jesus christ this is stupid. It's insulting to Christians and it's insulting to historians. Dumb as hell.
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Party Boat posted:If you were in an Alien film, you'd have gotten about this far before being dragged screaming into an air vent. Yeah I absolutely would and I'd totally not have seen it coming. I'd be some never-seen-combat CO that's read all the reports on the aliens and determined the problem was all human error and lax safety standards. With a properly equipped team knowing what they are up against alien samples, live specimens, and eggs could be brought back for study. And it's important to study these creatures, they're actual aliens, think of what we could learn! All the research would be done in the most secure of locations on space stations with auto-destructs and no unethical use of human hosts or experimentation. If the aliens are a threat we need to study them for weaknesses, and learn from their strengths. I mean these are just dumb bugs, the aliens got lucky but we will quickly learn and adapt to their tricks after sufficient study.
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In the first and good AvP games when you play as the alien you actually get orders from the queen via telepathy, like actual specific orders to destroy a shield generator or create a distraction. This is why the aliens need to be studied. Find out how much they can learn, how smart they really are. Maybe with enough time to adapt they could use technology, or fly a spaceship.
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Has it actually been determined if queens are the only way the aliens can make more of them selves, or can a single loose drone eventually establish a colony ala Alien Isolation / Alien deleted scenes. Because if a single drone can't reproduce if in isolation that makes them fairly useless in the long run.
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