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Iunnrais posted:Just remember, Nephilim inevitably kill their mothers when they are "born" via the Alien Chestburster Method. We'll get to see the more terrifying parts of Nephilim soon enough. In the meantime, are you ready to punch a David Bowie look-alike in the face? Because that's happening in El Shaddai - Part 07.
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Iunnrais posted:Just remember, Nephilim inevitably kill their mothers when they are "born" via the Alien Chestburster Method. What really?!? That's super crazy!
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Zain posted:What really?!? That's super crazy! There's a reason all of Sariel's beloved are ghosts.
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Nephilim as they are written live the definition of a damned existence; they weren't supposed to happen, the way they come to existence is nutso, and they are the catalyst for at least apocalypse scenario. They're just so cute though. 
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Well if you thought Nephilim were cute, here's a bit of their meaner, Lovecraftian side: El Shaddai - Part 08
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I mean I was under the impression that they were playing like Sariel's love for his followers was genuine, but obviously not genuine enough to, you know, loving restrain himself. I think in like 99 out of 100 cases the reason there's an escort mission is it's the devs going, "We couldn't write this character in an engaging way, so instead we're just going to force you to care about them by making you lose if bad thing happens to them." Dr. Buttass fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Dr. Buttass posted:I mean I was under the impression that they were playing like Sariel's love for his followers was genuine, but obviously not genuine enough to, you know, loving restrain himself. I think the general idea is that some of the Watchers at first genuinely loved humans, but it evolved into them either going crazy with power, or that they misinterpreted what certain emotions mean. It's referenced a few times that angels don't actually have human emotions and as such the Watchers can be told what the definition of love is (for example), but they can't interpret it in a human way. It's an alien concept to them and even when they're told they're actually hurting humans, they can't understand how. Kind of like trying to explain empathy to randos on the Internet.
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I've only seen two games with good escort missions: Freespace 2, because frequently you were escorting mile-long battleships covered in enough firepower to end civilizations, and Path of Neo, because they guy you were told to "escort" figured out a cheat code in the Matrix and was invincible.
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The Evil Within had a pretty good escort mission because the escort pulls his own weight and you can heal him without expending any resources of your own.
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El Shaddai - Part 09 is now up. In this one, we fight a boss of Biblical proportions.
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So, "Gods Power" manifests in the form of orbital laser batteries? Seems legit.
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Nuramor posted:So, "Gods Power" manifests in the form of orbital laser batteries? Seems legit. If Palutena's Glam Blaster is any indication I'd say yes!
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Did you like orbital God lasers? Because we have something much better coming up in Part 10 I hope you like Outrun, Tron and Road Rash in your Biblical Verses. This is pretty much the high point of the game.
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Jul 30, 2015 12:04
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I love this pretty, dumb, unassuming game so much.
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Oh wow the Arch became the mech's mohawk.
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We have all the episodes recorded now, just need to edit them (19 episodes total in the LP). The only thing left is to show off the "Extras" you get after beating the game and do our post-LP discussion episode, so a few questions for those following the LP: 1) Do you want Extras (costumes, bonus difficulties, etc) to be shown with commentary, subtitle commentary or no commentary? Or would you like it to be background footage for our discussion on the game? 2) Would you like us to cover any particular topics in the bonus episodes? Developer background, info on the mobile game(s), references or anything else really? We prolly won't record bonus stuff until the 2nd week of August, so enough time until then to gather feedback/ideas.
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Definitely commentary, would like to hear your buddy's reactions to the extra stuff the game has to offer. As for other topics to cover, I don't have a particular leaning to anything; whatever's interesting!
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It's time for Chapter 7: El Shaddai - Part 11 The insanity kind of slows down in this one and despite being a beautiful area, the game really pans out the combat here. However, I promise the end of the chapter (not in this video) will make up for everything.
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You know what our Biblical Saga needs? DANCING  Enjoy El Shaddai - Part 12
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Armaros is the best character in this game by FAR. Here, enjoy this concept Art
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Armaros is the reason I decided to do this LP. The character is amazing in so many ways.
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They should let you play as that dude and disco people to death.
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I hope we see more of the chill Nephilim and Armaros. That bit at the end though. 
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If you liked Armaros, the next episode on Monday will be a real treat! To hold you over until then, here's the achievement you get for completing the chapter: 
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New update: El Shaddai - Part 13 We get to play as our favorite new character!
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Didn't actually expect that they'd let you play as him. Too bad about the end of that chapter though.
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So at the end of last episode there was some serious Lucifel hate going on. And some commentary that we should have expected it from Lucifel, in specific. So here is the thing with Lucifel. You can call him a rear end in a top hat all you want but its sort of besides the point. He's an angel and angels are not people. For instance they lack true free will. You know everytime Lucifel has his little chats with God and he says something like "You know I could never say no to you". Yeah, he can't. Even ignoring that its God presumably he is omipotent. He can't, because he is an angel. Lucifel and the archangels are there on a mission to assist Enoch in bringing the fallen to justice. There was no sequence of events that would have let to Lucifel trying to help Armaros there. Or Enochs Archangel buddies, who are also just fine with this sequence of events. But what about empathy, favour for a favour, basic human decency. They don't have it, they don't Get It. This whole story up to this point has been about how the Fallen are trying to emulate to some degree aspects of human love. And in trying to do so failing at it in some way. This whole thing is a story about the tragedy of angels trying to help humanity but making everything worse in the process. Remember how Lucifel told Armaros to stop crying. "You have no Idea whats its like to be sad". How genuine Armaros' emotion is is another discussion. But as far as Lucifel goes, thats it. He has no idea how to be sad, he has no empathy, no love. He understands what emotions are, he knows what they mean to humans and he's not an rear end in a top hat who will walk all over them in some bleep bloop I'm unfeeling and don't care about your mental state robot like affair. But don't expect him to behave like he has any himself. Or the Archangels for that matter. Not only does Lucifel not have much choice in going off track on this mission. He doesn't care that way about the fallen. To be more accurate "doesn't care" does not quite describe it either. He Cannot care. And if he did care he'd likely be one of the Grigori instead of helping you. And its not because its Lucifel/Lucifer. Its true for Uriel, Michael, Raphael and Gabriel too.
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If he can't say no, how could the watchers say no? They're also angels, even if they're now fallen. That means Lucifel also can, in theory.
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Tzarnal posted:-snip- Yup, I agree with all of that and we've been aware of the nature of the Archangels and Lucifel. We've actually mentioned it before (I think I even said in this thread) that the Watchers aren't evil, they just aren't human and don't understand how human emotions work. Or rather, someone like Sariel saying he "loves" his people might be true from his perspective (he does believe he is showing love the best way he can), but from a human perspective, he is causing plenty of grief. But you also can't really blame us for hating on Lucifel just because we are using human standards to judge him. We're well aware that we are using emotional rather than logical reasons to hate on him and we're fine with that. Drachir D Nalem posted:If he can't say no, how could the watchers say no? They're also angels, even if they're now fallen. That means Lucifel also can, in theory. If he did, he'd likely become a fallen angel or grigori, just like the Watchers did.
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I always figured the the idea is we're dealing with pre-fall Lucifer here, so I'm not sure the idea that Lucifel simply can't fall from grace is true. The idea in popular culture at least is that Lucifer fell because he considered angels superior to humans whereas God placed humans above them in hierarchy, and I kinda get the impression that's meant to be the case here, too. Lucifel struck me as actively hostile when he told Armaros to quit pretending to be a human, like he was mad that an angel would lower himself to human status as something. Plus, given Lucifel's smirk at Armaros' demise at the end there, I don't think this was entirely about Lucifel being emotionless and it not being in the script for him to help Armaros. Dude seemed pretty happy he got swallowed up by the darkness.
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UPDATE: El Shaddai - Part 14 Time for a journey of self-discovery and many, many cutscenes.
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I like how the Nephilim has always stuck by Nanna's side and offered its support as best as it could.  Now I wonder what Nanna and the Nephilim's story was like.
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a cartoon duck posted:I always figured the the idea is we're dealing with pre-fall Lucifer here, so I'm not sure the idea that Lucifel simply can't fall from grace is true. To the Jews, Lucifer never fell. He's still HaShem's prosecuting attorney in the courtroom, doing an important role, and if he has a fault, it's being too good at his job. If I'm not mistaken, the only angels that ever "fell" are these assholes here (well, the 12 or 13 leaders plus a couple hundred followers), who get locked up beneath a rock, maybe in Petra. But as far as not being human? Not really having emotions? Yeah. Pretty much. When I last asked, my rabbi had no answer for how these seven were able to "go against their programming", so to speak, lacking free will. So, either it was put in to them to "fall" on purpose, or something went wrong with their programming, or... who knows. I sure don't. It's mostly folklore anyway, although the midrash backs it up, which should suggest there's some spiritual lesson in all this that I can't quite see. Speaking of which, I don't remember Armaros, or ANY of the Iriim for that matter, ever helping Enoch. Or befriending him. They help Noach build the ark, but the best they do with Enoch is beg him to be their defense lawyer against Lucifer, which Enoch agrees to but fails at the job. Armaros was all about teaching mortals the ways of sorcery and enchantment, not pulling Enoch out of Gehenna. So... apart from how Ishtar is apparently a good guy now, the game has again gone off the rails from the source a little bit. Not complaining, just commenting. That said, I'd have given the water level to Sariel, given that Sariel was all about the moon and tides, and whatnot.
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That scene where the old man confuses Lucifel for God is really provocative on multiple levels.
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UPDATE: Part 15 We're in the final stretch of the game! Welcome to a more edgy chapter. Also, I see people have some pretty insightful commentary, so we'll record our bonus episode after uploading the game's finale, so we can take everything in the thread into account.
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UPDATE: El Shaddai - Part 16 The game ramps up its platforming shenanigans.
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I'm just starting to watch this now. This game is so pretty and the best weapon is the ranged one just because the trails look awesome. If they fleshed out the weapon I could play a whole game with that as the core mechanic. 
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You picked a good time to start, because now we're only two more episodes away from the end. UPDATE: El Shaddai - Part 17 We deal with another Watcher and I also demonstrate the "Bad Endings" the game has.
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I think there are some directions in the faith that have the angels take a conscious, free willed choice early on to eternally serve or oppose god. Do they ever touch upon that in this game?
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I don't think they ever touch it beyond claiming that only humans have choice, but that still doesn't explain how the Watchers chose to defy God. I'm guessing it would have been mentioned more in a potential sequel? UPDATE: El Shaddai - Part 18 We begin the final chapter of the game. Final episode goes up on Monday!
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