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PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer
Yeah the problem with the whole idea of "altruism is really just hedonism" is that it only makes sense if you don't apply it to anything else. If you start applying that logic to other concepts or actions besides altruism it becomes clear that this logic only works by conflating "hedonism" with "doing things for any reason at all" and thus the only non-hedonistic action possible is one that is entirely random.

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PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

Guavanaut posted:

That's what they're trying to prove though, that humans by their nature of being rational are also selfish, even when they're being altruistic. A = A etc.

I don't think these people understand that a philosophical truism is not the same as truth.

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