bartlebyshop posted:

The forums they do best in are ones where it's fine to say women shouldn't be able to vote because they're stupid and irrational, but when a woman gets upset/emotional and calls them a "shithead" or worse a "misogynist", the woman gets banned.

katlington posted:

Please link it, all i found was a podcast and this: http://therightstuff.biz/2015/07/23/cuckservatives-trump-and-the-future-of-the-west/

Guavanaut posted:

The NRx Overton window:


e: Also at the fact that they don't have anything left of the SPLC.

Helsing posted:

Jesus, listening to this guy is like being stuck at a family dinner table inbetween your creepy sexist uncle and your dorky virgin cousin.

Also I feel like this comment from that video really sums up a lot of the Dark Enlightenment crap:



Here we've got someone who watches youtube videos about World of Warcraft yet yearns for a return to the imagined authenticity of the pre-modern world, and fixates on poorly misunderstood historical figures who are thought to embody those premodern values.

Hbomberguy posted:

Can't believe I haven't seen this thread before now. Not just because I find these groups unendingly hilarious, but also because their existence at all is an indictment of the internet.

People pay attention to crazy opinions and vile garbage, even ones they don't like, so you have several Professional Opinion Havers on YouTube who might as well be characters invented for a joke, saying the wrong thing, on purpose, for money. They're a real-life version of those monsters powered by attention in that Simpsons special. I have to constantly check if people I plan to cover in future videos aren't Poes. I threw out two videos completely because I became convinced they were a joke, they were too funny and sad to be unintentional.

Aurini's perspective on life and religion has shifted so much in the years he's been active that he attains the even worse position of being someone who gave up on any kind of genuine position long ago. He parrots the views of whichever group he wants to get 'in' with. When Sargon etc. realised he was a shitstain (honor among idiots) and finally rejected him, he very suddenly shifted into a more religious viewpoint and started vying for the attentions of a more religious-y group that likes to try and turn MLP into conservative jesus-propaganda. I should go find that video, holy poo poo

Like at this point he is unironically tweeting pictures of the satirically-over-religious things Flanders did on the Simpsons.

Doc Hawkins posted:

Alan Moore's primary inspiration for Rorschach was the lunatic objectivism of fellow Comics Guy Steve Ditko; for conservative creeps to enjoy the character is not entirely unlike their enjoying Steven Colbert. It's downright Borgesesque (Borgesian? Borgestic?).

The Lord of Hats posted:

It's pretty easy to agree with Rorschach on your first read through Watchmen; it's something you have to read multiple times to really get different characters' takes on the situation, and Rorschach's very, well, comic-book view of the world is easy to comprehend: Ozymandias killed a ton of people, therefore he is Guilty/Evil/Scum. That said, if you go around declaring him your favorite character and talk about how right he is you pretty clearly haven't thought about Watchmen that critically!

blackguy32 posted:

This wasn't bad at the start then he stopped actually talking about the movie and began ranting about stuff.

Suitaru posted:

I know you just made a typo but "minoritis" sounds hilarious and/or depressing. Imagine Donald "Maybe it says he's a Muslim" Trump shouting that to Make America Great Again we must cure her of her "minor-itis"

Ddraig posted:

I think it's nice that he's at least honest in that he is "trained" as a Historian as opposed to actually being competent, or even qualified, as it seems he's got his entire notion of Chivalry and Chivalric Orders from popular Romances as opposed to actual historical record, which is pretty bleak, dismal and doesn't paint them in a hugely positive light, assuming you see "being of benefit to society and the advancement of humanity" as a positive, of course, which I'm not sure he does.

Who What Now posted:

I know he didn't come up with it, but every time I see some piece of poo poo call Finn "Mace Dindu" it makes my goddamn skin crawl.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

so much about aruini screams identity crisis, like how he's constantly waving about all these tokens and symbols of manhood or how he bitterly hates women with opinions. people don't keep asserting that they're big strong manly men because they're confident in their masculinity, and they don't summarize their lives with a pretty standard milestone if they're confident in their abilities and achievements

Ddraig posted:

Yeah, he clearly has issues. It's almost tempting to have a degree of sympathy for him, but then again he has a plastic skull called McArthur so gently caress him.

Hbomberguy posted:

Aurini 'studied for a degree' but I've never seen him directly mention having one. He feels like he knows enough to give advice to PhD students tho.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

My favorite part of this is that he appeals to "those of you out there who have EXPERIENCE with women" as if he's appealing to people who have been to India, or people who have worked as a airline pilot.

I mean, he knows his audience.

Jack Gladney posted:

The police report from when he beat his girlfriend says that she wouldn't let him wear his special helmet while watching a movie and that's how their fight started. That's everything you need to know about him, even though it raises tons of questions also.

Jack Gladney posted:

Motorcycle helmet. I guess he was planning to leave on a motorcycle and I made it much better in my imagination:


Life with him seems like an awesome experience straight out of 1990s Lifetime original movies or possibly Gaslight.

Darth Walrus posted:

The thing about Rorschach is that while he's a profoundly messed-up person, it's easy to argue that his response to the story's ending was, in fact, the correct one. Ozymandias's gambit may have worked in the short-term, but the story drops a lot of hints that he just papered over deep-rooted problems in human society by killing millions of people, and that his new peace won't last long (poo poo, just look at his name). Dan, Laurie, and Jon are just overwhelmed by the whole thing and flee in their own different ways, leaving the insane conspiracy theorist as the only one trying to bring one of history's greatest mass-murderers to justice.

Who What Now posted:

Wasn't Rorschach literally a diagnosed schizophrenic? He's basically "What if the Joker was Batman?".

Cingulate posted:

The strange thing is, even Aurini should acknowledge that the people doing crucifixions were on the wrong side of history. E.g., crucifying Jesus, or Germanic slaves. And surely even he would agree that beyond all of the things the Nazis did he agrees with, the low popularity of putting unwilling humans in ovens these days is, all in all, a good thing.

And then, maybe theologian and historian Aurini is making a complicated point here about the difference between crucifixion and crucifiction.

Woolie Wool posted:

He slobbers all over Beethoven even though the guy was by the standards of his time an ultraliberal who hated monarchy and wrote an incredibly over the topmusical arrangement of a poem by another liberal about how national divisions and other hatreds are stupid and we should embrace the brotherhood of all men (OK women are kind of left out but it was 1824, cut the dude some slack).

Race Realists posted:

/pol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYVtPLDY80


edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46kPhDAKEnY

editx2: OOHHH. Turns out this is TheRightStuff guy

Hbomberguy posted:

I've never seen anyone honestly attempt to start a real conversation on twitter or 4chan or anything like that. It's way easier to decide conversation is impossible and become a weirdo shitheel who comments on youtube videos and argues with other nobodies on the opposite side of the fence, usually by fantasizing about them having a bearded neck, than actually try to have one.

The SA forums are cool because people who at least are willing to give it a shot seem to congregate here.

Jack Gladney posted:

So is this lady a Dark Enlightenment acolyte or some weird kind of counter-element within the same universe?

http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems?utm_source=vicefbus


The social construction thing sounds very anti-, but the technocratic rationalist sex sepratism and antinatalism sound very pro-. And I don't know whether this is hell or paradise for the MRA dorks.

Jack Gladney posted:

Gavin McInnes is definitely on the periphery of the dork enlightenment, though he has zero influence on Vice today. It might be more "punk rock" contrarian than leftist, though.

Bushiz posted:

new vice needs to keep the lights on and the outrage generated by sex articles written by non hetero dudes does that.

divabot posted:

I must say, it was nice to be able to say about Gamergate "too odious for 4chan".


Ehh, he's a Taki's Mag racist. They aren't really NRx, in that they can write concisely and have senses of humour (at least somewhat). You'll see NRx in the comments on Taki's but never in the bylines, because oh my loving God they're the worst writers ever.


Or PERHAPS NOT. Cingulate shat up the other thread with enough multi-page digressions, please don't encourage him here too.

Munin posted:

The "beautiful young man dying a heroic death" is part of a more general German cultural thing and that motif is most closely associated with "Sturm und Drang" in particular. "Sturm und Drang" was a reaction against the rationalism of the enlightenment which several young male writers in particular felt lacked blood and passion. Goethe's "The Sorrows of Young Werther" was the most successful work of the movement and became a breakthrough hit across Europe and led to young men across the continent topping themselves in dramatic ways or adopt the dress and style of the hero of the novel. Goethe himself ended up slightly pissed at the fact that despite all the other great works he created he often was only popularly known as that guy who wrote Werther.

The reason why the nazis glommed onto it in particular is the manly man nature of it and also that it was one of the first pan-Germanic cultural movements which achieved prominence across Europe.

InediblePenguin posted:

"but it was big in Victorian times and WWI" is in no way any kind of a counter to the argument about the Germanic Sturm und Drang movement. The Sorrows of Young Werther was published in 1774 and therefore predates your examples quite neatly

OwlFancier posted:

I would struggle to call the roman empire "graceful" however.

OwlFancier posted:

It's a recurring theme in his stories that the cultists are always either mixed race fish/lobster/outer god-men or actual normal humans who are mixed race, the bad guys are always a cult full of swarthy foreigners/mixed race people or the bad guy always has servants who are swarthy foreigners/mixed race.

Like you might not notice it but seriously almost the entirety of lovecraft's horror stories can be summed up as "holy poo poo I am terrified of miscegenation!"

Barring maybe Mountains of Madness. Which is probably one of his stronger books.

But yeah otherwise, call of Cthulhu has the cultists as nonwhites, charles dexter ward has the guys collecting nonwhite servants as they become evil. Innsmouth is all about fish loving, dunwich horror features it as the central plot point, the one at martense mansion features both inbred hicks as cannon fodder and a race of CHUDs. And most of the stories have some bit where he laments the passing of high society and social mores to the endless march of modernity and foreign ideas.

Basically Charles Dexter Ward is probably somewhat autobiographical in its early stages I think.

OwlFancier posted:

True, I'm probably being a little harsh on him in that sense. I genuinely do think he writes some really good fiction and if you take the death of the author into account you can read them as some just genuinely gorgeous pieces of horror. He is obviously really invested in his literature and his essay about supernatural horror is a good if rather lexically difficult thing to read (if you think Lovecraft is bad in fiction he is nigh incomprehensible when he gets going, it's amazing) and for the most part he keeps a lot of his overt bigotry out of his stories, they aren't just pages of ranting about the drat blacks being what's wrong with the world. But if you know his position beforehand it's real easy to see how it informs his writing, and you can just as easily read it as a massive allegory for Why Race Mixing Will Destroy Humanity.

But yeah he has a weird fatalist streak to him which I guess would be consistent with his fondness for antiquarianism.

E: though actually I think I just remembered that he didn't work but his wife did and he sat at home all day trying to get his pulp horror published.

Dude's the original goon.

OwlFancier posted:

I guess that makes the Dark Enlightenment somebody's idea of an ideal religion.

Moderately terrifying.

Smudgie Buggler posted:

Orthodox Christianity is increasingly popular in the alt-right. Never heard of an evangelic neoreactionary, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

Jeedy Jay posted:

Maybe this is why these DE types seem to have such grognard-ish tastes in their fantasy entertainment - Blizzard and Bethesda's ongoing de-badification of orcs must feel like betrayal, to these guys.

OwlFancier posted:

It makes more sense in DnD because you are literally dealing with different species, except apparently they can also gently caress each other, but functionally orcs and elves and dwarves are different species, and when you start getting some of the weirder stuff like half-dragons and shardminds and stuff it makes more sense still.

But in TES redguards are literally just black people. They have different species in the game with the elves and that but there's also a bunch of human phenotypes which they treat a bit weirdly. More of a problem with TES's application of it than anything.

rudatron posted:

It would probably help if fantasy and fantasy games had a lot more sentient races than just 'humanoids of different physiques/colors'. Where are the hipster-cuttlefish? Though that may not solve the problem, because it brings up another issue - fantasy worlds of any kind (including sci-fi) embed current social stereotypes and ideology within them, and kind of inescapably so. Both because that's easier to make, but also because that makes it kind of more compelling; if fiction cannot connect with the audience, they'll just ignore it.

Wheeee posted:

Count Chocula posted:

Do we have a general Silicon Valley Lunacy thread?

http://www.theawl.com/2015/12/star-lords

Cingulate posted:

And the first thing everyone gets wrong is thinking they certainly wouldn't give the subject a 430 volt shock/defend the fake choice.
I think this is still a bit too general - the question is not, why do people turn conservative? Dark Enlightenment is not conservative, in the same way that Cruz and Bush and so on are almost as disgusted by Trump as everyone else. They're radicals. They're right-wingers and in the to liberals salient aspects agree with conservatives. But they're not conservatives.
They're partially reactionaries, partially liberals, partially fascists, and so on. And the interesting question is, what makes one specifically buy into DE or HBD, and not into regular run-of-the-mill redneck racism or oldstyle libertarianism or regular conservativism.

1337JiveTurkey posted:

There's a lot going on and while it may not be the most satisfying answer, nerd identity plays a huge role. While most definitions focus on the shared interests, they're so broad that it's possible for two nerds to have almost nothing in common. I don't care about comic books, science fiction or fantasy but I'll watch movies with my friends, play games and so forth. I'm more interested in academic topics. What we do have in common is that we've been labeled nerds at some point and come to accept that identity.

For someone who was extremely isolated growing up, it's possible that they don't have any other source of identity. I brought up Schizoid disorder because one interpretation of it is that the person suffering from it has a completely shattered sense of identity. Imagine being unable to complete the sentence "I am a..." If their sole source of identity is something like the fact that they're a gamer, something that threatens it in a very real sense threatens them because without it they're nothing.

The same's true with nerds in general. If their entire sense of identity is based on being a nerd, then their entire sense of self worth is based on nerds being great. They don't identify with conservatives in general or the institutions that conservatives do like the military and aren't interested in joining such a movement. In a sense the ideology doesn't matter.

OwlFancier posted:

I feel like this about gaming, I play a shitload of videogames, like most people watch TV, it makes up more or less 90% of my recreational activity. But I don't consider it part of who I am, it's just something I do. Like sleeping in a bed. I do it but I don't consider myself part of bed-sleeping culture.

Capital G Gamers weird me out.