Understanding the psychology of HBD/Racial Realism/Dark Enlightenment

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I thought all of that was what genetic counselling and so forth is about. So basically we've kept that without having to sacrifice anything else.

The people who are acting like we need to have scything sweeps of medically-preventable deaths to "improve the stock" are idiots anyway. If a trait isn't being selected FOR, it won't increase save in a minor random way, is my understanding.

Also, if they're calling themselves Numenorians, that's a real good joke if you read what happened to those guys.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2015 05:56

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croc suit posted:

Everything you nerds have posted in this thread applies equally to internet marxists except also pedo poo poo and sexual deviancy lmfao

gotta move in on your kino after you neg, bro

# ¿ Jul 2, 2015 08:04

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Chocolate Teapot posted:

Why do you keep bringing up liberalism, like it's some sort of polar opposite to DE?

I actually think there is a trend on both the left and the right to hiss and spit and condemn the "weak" and "soft" and so forth soggy "liberalism" of the modern day. It's why a lot of campus Marxists were able to seamlessly shift into being conservative intellectuals; they never changed what they hated, just which side they were attacking from.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2015 00:58

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Series DD Funding posted:

The point is DE is, in fact, original thinking, or rather as close as you can get. It's applying and changing old ideas from different sources to new issues and situations.

So what's the new part? The original thinking seems to mostly be re-labelling old poo poo, like calling it "Human biodiversity" instead of "race realism" or "eugenics." Same poo poo, different package. What's new about it?

# ¿ Jul 3, 2015 04:53

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Shbobdb posted:

Aside from the language used to justify the futurist ideology, what separates these people from third-way movements that have been around for forever?

I'm just seeing some run-of-the-mill fascists. You've got some enthusiastic modernists trying to recapture some former glory (or at least claim what is rightfully theirs), looks pretty similar to Italian Fascism. You've got some romantic, pagan-inspired enthno-nationalists, looks pretty similar to German Fascism. Then you've got a bunch of romantic Catholics who see theology as the breeding ground for a new thing that is neither Communism nor Capitalism -- which looks a lot like Fascism in Spain and Portugal. The only "new" element is the Protestant Fascism but both England and America had strong nascent fascist movements, it only looks new because we didn't trounce them in a war.

I don't have a deep understanding, but how is it not run-of-the-mill fascism?

Because it is using different buzzwords, you see! I suppose there is a deeper libertarian streak than most fascists.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2015 23:53

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Guavanaut posted:

Don't forget that the 'transhuman renaissance' is going to start at what looks like early 19th century levels of technology. And lead straight into the singularity.

There was quite a bit of improvement in using cams, pegs, and shafts as mechanisms in the 'dark ages' too, and the improvements in wind and water mills that allowed for. Apparently the Church in that period developed the precursors of modern management science, which were invaluable in forming modern cities, and made some interesting developments in philosophy too.

Uh no I think you will find that the Church greatly reduced the average beakers per turn by burning the witches and also making people worship Jesus instead of Carl Sagan.

That's what really gets me about these guys, they act like scientific progress in real life works exactly like it does in Civilization.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2015 22:39

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What is with these people's hundred year obsession with sterilizing poor people

# ¿ Aug 4, 2015 01:42

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It's not even the goat man, kids these days.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2015 05:58

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It's doughy. Squidgey. No ring.

A shameful hiney

# ¿ Dec 14, 2015 06:11

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I know you guys are talking about Hans Herman Hoppe but whenever I see HHH I imagine the WWE guy, possibly supported by The Libertarian, Kane, running in to hit someone with a sledgehammer or chokeslam.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2015 01:44

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Tunney seems to be a white middle-class person who agrees with their ideology, as opposed to a towering black transwoman who would be scary and "weird looking," so I'm not surprised they were able to embrace her. But I also wouldn't be shocked if rhetorical doubling-down throws her out into the wilderness before long, either.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2016 00:40

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OwlFancier posted:

Going by his writing that I've read, that mixed race persons will summon the elder gods from their slumber and hasten the inevitable destruction of mankind at the hands of the cold and indifferent cosmos.

I have no idea why he didn't like it but he really, really didn't.

He was born into a somewhat wealthy family that had a few financial troubles, but I believe he lived most of his life pretty well off. I don't think he ever worked, he seemed to be a lot like his characters, and he really hated foreigners. I get the distinct impression he was very classist as well, very attached to polite society of the twenties, so it might be an extension of that.

While I can't speculate too much on the inside of his head, it was probably a mixture of "Ray's Choice" of:

* Sheltered upbringing
* Parent dying of what was probably tertiary syphilis when he was a child
* General gooniness of the third degree
* Generally higher level of ambient racism at the time
* Dude just really did hate black people and was not terribly thrilled about Southern Europeans either

He was attached to a bunch of antiquarian bullshit more than popular high society of the time, and he was actually pretty loving poor -- much of which was because he was a goon who couldn't find a drat job. Unlike his shuddering hatred of black people, he did actually examine his class prejudices and was at least kind of a socialist at the end.

There should clearly be a :lovecraftsay: smiley. :shittydog:

e: What is interesting in a way is that his specific horror is willing miscegenation. He has almost no rape themes (at least overtly).

# ¿ Jan 8, 2016 04:17

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OwlFancier posted:

Ok so yeah he literally is writing about himself at the beginning of Charles Dexter Ward

I guess the modern day equivalent would really be something like DE goonlords with a dose of weeaboo fetishism. Obsession with some largely imagined glory of the honourable past when things were just better and a hatred of anything that smacks of progressiveness.

Hmm, the idea of a Lovecraft who had the opportunity to read Tolkien is rather terrifying.

I'll give the old bigot this, most of his stories are about the horror of the inevitable fall and defeat of the stuff he fetishized, at least in some way. He had a sense of humor about it, and I'm pretty sure most of these dudes don't.

Guavanaut posted:

It's interesting to compare that against Aleister Crowley, who was also racist/classist as hell even for his era, but was obsessed with trying to tap into cosmic forces for personal and cultist benefit rather that fictionally accusing others.

They could do a 'who is better' deathmatch of Crowley's pale Anglos against Lovecraft's swarthy lobstermen at summoning the forbidden forces.

I have a sneaking suspicion that a sizable percentage of the NRx set would be into the whole �on of Horus thing if they were born a few decades earlier.

HPL probably wins because while the OTO and Thelema are still around and show no signs of vanishing any time soon, more people probably make actual money off Lovecraft's public-domain materials :v:

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# ¿ Jan 8, 2016 04:27

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I think the difference with these dudes is that, even if they're weirdos with limited educations or whatever, they are in fact reacting to a giant perceived inevitability and so on. The DE guys are stealing their terms and their concepts, because they've read their works, but their root motivation seems to be frustration that they didn't get to be Don Draper or whoever.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2016 05:27

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LORD OF BUTT posted:

They're actually kind of specifically interesting from this standpoint because they're basically a stereotype of Roma... except they're treated as completely awesome dudes who are basically The Best Race, and one of them is even a dev's (comedy) self-insert. They also worship cocaine.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2016 23:07

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Maoist Pussy posted:

I don't expect you to understand anything. The message is not for you.

so to whom, exactly, are you signalling?

# ¿ Mar 11, 2016 23:42

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Cingulate posted:

Yeah it's I think pretty clear that progressives currently dominate the language of public discourse. I don't even know if that's a recent thing - there's still "Death Tax" I guess.

In what sense? In that we aren't openly referring to the inferior races of the negroids, or at least, people who do that have to code it somehow? Conservative economic ideas have been ground into the language for decades.

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 09:51

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Maimonides dealt with this whole charity thing in the Middle Ages and while I think you could quibble on the margins, his own order of the best forms of giving are a good benchmark. I guess you can argue whether giving tax money to the WELFARE MAN is the second-best kind or the least-best kind but that seems more like an attitude problem than an issue with the giving of tzedekah. :jewish:

e: tipping is definitely the worst form of giving and the restaurant should pay their servers adequately, rendering any small gratuities genuine and spontaneous

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