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Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007
I thoroughly enjoyed Prince of Thorns, and King of Thorns moreso. Emperor of Thorns... eh. Also feel the guy with the bearded nerd-atar is mis-characterising the books, but w/e.

My vote has to be Kill The Dead by Richard Kadrey. To the guy who complained about The Dresden Files, I mean, you ain't seen nothing; all Urban Fantasy is basically steaming dracula-turds but this has congealed its way into a special place in my heart. Sandman Slim was bad, but this.. I disliked myself for starting it, but about halfway through I started to genuinely hate myself for not being able to put it down.

It's basically the same as it's predecessor, a cast where everybody is competing to be the worst person ever (I actually thought The Devil was the most likeable bit-parter), the author's bizarre sociopathic outlook is proudly espoused by his paper-thin Gary-Stu self-insert protagonist (and hurrah! An embarrassing wish-fulfilment sex scene with "the most beautiful woman in the world who was totally in porn bro and when we hosed she came first and she totally loved me but I was too much of a badass so she got scared and had to cut and run but she'll always love me because I'm so awesome". I'm paraphrasing, but that is literally what happens). Also Richard Kadrey runs some sort of photo company called KaosDarkXKnife or something and looks exactly like you'd think the person who wrote this would. It was gloriously obnoxiously terrible.

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Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Howso? I'm legitimately interested to see a positive take on them. People kept telling me they redeemed themselves and everything makes sense later on, but I just couldn't bear it any further than the first book.
Huge PoT spoilers, if anyone gives a poo poo.

Did you get to the end of the first book? Your complaints are directly addressed when he meets with Corion and realises that 99% of his amazing feats, decisions and power have actually been driven by someone with real power who's been influencing/directly possessing him for his own ends. Eating the heart pays off very nicely in book 2 as well.

They're by no means perfect, or even up there with the best fantasy (Joe Abercrombie) but for all the traces of animu in the DNA and clunky purple prose there are some genuinely fun concepts and arresting ideas. Like, I'm going to re-read at some point, but that duel with Katherine's bodyguard was legit great, the necromancer mountain was cool and I remember liking the pace of the world reveals.

Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007
Almost nothing that happens in any of Abercrombie's books is portrayed as being "for the greater good". And certainly none of what is was violence against women.

Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007

Pocket Billiards posted:

I know it's part of the canon of cool books as judged by the internet but World War Z was on the nose.
God that moustache-twirling capitalist chapter was so offensively terrible. Didn't he literally muse about how many people would be waiting for him in hell then say "heheh I hope they don't expect a refund". Then skateboard-grind down the side of his survivalist bunker and do a rad kick-flip onto a babies skull.

Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007

Thinky Whale posted:

What really drives me crazy about the sex fairy is that she is in fact a monster who rapes people braindead. Everybody (except Kvothe, because he's special) who goes off with her comes back a drooling mess forever, and when she uses her sex magic on him, it's explicitly compared to a time when he was living on the streets and some older kids tried to assault him. Then he does some kind of magic thing and she becomes a harmless pixie dream girl. He doesn't do anything to stop her from preying on anybody else because if there wasn't a fairy around to magically sexually assault and mentally break people, the world would be less special.
Seriously the Wise Man's Fear is like this horrendous fractal of broken hopes and terrible nightmares that gets progressively more terrible the more you think about it after you put it down.

I mean, the most terrible thing about the series is that people defend it but that Rothfuss is now churning out side-novels about his stapled-on non-characters whilst saying "who knows when I'll publish the third one" is so gross. He never had this loving series finished, he has no idea what he's doing and I honestly think I know how the Bad Thread got started about GRRM now I've jumped on a series that spiralled into poo poo at the ground floor.

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