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wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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ZakAce posted:

David Eddings isn't good (to say the least) but I'm pretty sure he's better than Piers Anthony if for no other reason that (AFAIK) there isn't any creepy paedophile stuff in his books.

My 8th-grade lit teacher once told me that David Eddings had done time in jail and/or prison for child abuse, and that's where he started to write the Belgariad. My mom, who had lived in the same town as the teacher at that time, said this was true. But I have never found any evidence to back up their story.

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wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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No, her legal name IS Alexander Graham Bell. Tinker is just her nickname. Her cousin is named Orville Wright but goes by Oilcan.

Not gonna lie, I actually enjoy this series. But then I probably have low standards so...

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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I have read more Sandra Hill books than I like to admit, and they are all the same flavor of crazy. The heroine is often a doctor or similar professional. In one book, the time-traveling Navy Seal Viking 'amusingly' misunderstood the love interest's title and called her his "dock-whore" throughout the ENTIRE book. She never corrected him and no one found it odd.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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TheKennedys posted:

I've discussed my hatelove for David Eddings before but the further we sink into hellworld the more skeeved out I get by his constant, shoehorned middle-aged man/teenaged girl romances

also the extremely 10,000 Year Old Goddess Loli that "claims" a teenage boy at age seven or so, but he's never overtly sexual about it. he's an old white dude sex weird but at least he's not the horribly gross kind

e: was. he is dead.
According to my mother and my 8th-grade literature teacher, both of whom lived in the same town at the time, Eddings was charged and/or convicted of some pretty dire child abuse, and the Belgariad was written in part while he was in jail or prison. However, I have never found any information to either corroborate or firmly refute this. Everyone involved is dead now, so I guess I will be content with finding Eddings creepy just based on his books.

(Still reread the Elenium from time to time though. Sparhawk and Ehlana's relationship is creepy but it's still mostly a fun yarn.)

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Safety Biscuits posted:

It's on his Wikipedia page, with links to newspaper reports. Fortunately the print was too small to read the details.

Huh, there's the power of the internet. 30+ years ago the Spearfish newspaper told me I didn't have enough info to find any relevant story, and my half-hearted Googling over the years was clearly not well-targeted. Sorry for doubting you, mom.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Jerry Cotton posted:

Having never read them, is horny crow man literally a bird?
Yes, she meets a bunch of literal crows and some of them decide to turn into humans for a lark.

Later there is a short story where they are married and have triplets and his former-crow friends pressure him to murder one of the babies because she has dwarfism.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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IshmaelZarkov posted:

Did the lark just ask them nicely, or did it coerce them?
Pssh you missed the other pun entirely.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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thepopmonster posted:



"Ach! always with the nerves! All this time thinking and planning, and it all comes down to this -", thought the man known only as "Target B" as he moved through the aisles - " all I have to do is to get the dog to move past, and then heel."

I just wanted you to know I saw that.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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quote:

writing knowledgeably of the clitoris

Tbf this is still a problem for a lot of writers. I recall one example that made the Twitter rounds, where a sex scene went something like, "He slid both thumbs into her clitoris and pulled it wide open."

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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muscles like this! posted:

There's also Red Shadows which was the first Solomon Kane short story and it pretty quickly gets super racist as Solomon ends up chasing a guy who takes refuge in a native village and the descriptions of the villagers get pretty bad. (spoilered for racism)

So that description sorta implies that Solomon Kane's head isn't situated between his shoulders. Which raises some questions about the prevalence of scoliosis among white people, I guess.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Apparently David Drake was once offended by a critic named Charles Platt, who accused Drake of writing war porn and said he wouldn't do that if he'd seen actual combat. Ever since, every single Drake sci-fi book has had a character named Charles (or Charlie, or Chuck, etc.) Platt and hes always a contemptible villain. Ranging from petty corrupt bureaucrats to cringing murderous pedophiles. I guess what I am saying is, some people *really* know how to hold a grudge.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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SimonChris posted:

I clicked on that quote and stumbled upon this post on the same page:

This didn't become public knowledge until much later:
https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2020/05/it-has-been-revealed-that-fantasy.html

Weird that it was kept secret for so long when it was apparently common knowledge in the local community.

I tried looking it up in the local newspaper archives when I was in middle school but found nothing. Back in the late 80s that was all just getting copied onto microfiche and it was a huge pain to go through. I eventually gave up and then, color me surprised to find out decades later that it's all on Wikipedia.

I got the impression from my English teacher that Eddings distanced himself hard from any indication that he ever even lived in South Dakota. I would imagine that when he was a big name author, his publisher might have also had some vested interest in deflecting any inquiries along those lines.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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The Wicked ZOGA posted:

He probably didn't write it, all those dadthriller guys use ghostwriters eventually

He pretty openly switched to having his brother write the books just recently, so it doesn't seem like he had a ghostwriter before. I think he is just not the most skilled writer. I still regularly think back to the book where Reacher (50-something years old) spends a summer in Key West digging swimming pools by hand, and ends up so tanned and muscular that his arms look like "pantyhose stuffed with walnuts."

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Sobatchja Morda posted:

Sounds familiar. Does he also wear a lot of pouches, but leaves the feet out because he cant write feet? ?

No, but let me tell you about the sex scene with the woman with severe facial injuries that continually ooze pus.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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I always thought that the political structures of the Harrington books felt like they were written as he was browsing through some kind of historical trivia book. "Oh, I recognized that bit, it's going in a book along with this other bit that sounds cool. They don't really make sense together but nobody is gonna notice."

Contrasted to, say, David Drake who will have a foreword explaining exactly which specific pre-classical civilization inspired the minor kingdom featured in chapter 32, and citing the classical sources. Which he read in Latin, of course.

(I really like Drake, to be clear,)

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Carthag Tuek posted:

re things that put you off books before you even read them:

maps, dramatis personae, vocabularies

good on you for worldbuilding but if it isnt in the story (organically!) im not gonna read it. blame tolkien & herbert of course.

I read a book recently that had a "cast list" at the beginning, sorted into groups. One of the groups was "deceased people" and it included the name of a character who was alive at the start of the book and whose death 2/3rds in was clearly meant to be a shock to the reader. Still haven't figured that one out. Did they assume nobody reads those so it's ok to post spoilers? Was it originally meant to go in the end of the book and got moved? :iiam:

If an author feels that their reader will need Cliff's Notes to keep track of all the characters, they should probably take that as a failure on their part. Also, I don't *need* to know/remember the name of the 3rd prison guard on the left from the prologue 2 books ago. If it's actually important, the author should be able to work a reminder into the actual text where it's relevant.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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don longjohns posted:

How dare you besmirch Ursula K. Le Guin and the Earthsea series :argh:

In all seriousness, I don't think a map in a book has ever affected my reading of a story. I don't go and check where the characters are on the map because I don't care, and I don't feel like I lost anything not doing that. I don't know another reason to include a map other than to do that, so I guess the map is just pretty art???

If it's a good map, I might see it as a positive sign that the author paid attention to things like traveling time, and how geographical features inform political boundaries, and the types of weather that characters might encounter, etc. If it is just the same generic squared-off continent divided arbitrarily into a bunch of kingdoms, then I'mma skip right past it.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Serephina posted:

Is this you mocking Shakespeare publications, or am I not getting the joke? Cuz I sure as heck remember reading Hamlet in HS and trying to figure out why out of cast of a few dozen people, two nobodies are listed under "survivors", and thinking "is it some sort of cool group"?

I wasn't referring to Shakespeare or any actual play where a cast list would make sense. It was just a "paranormal/urban fantasy" novel that, for some reason, opened with a long list of every named character. They were listed out like:

quote:

Werewolves
Carlos Pena
Marcus Smith
Bobson Dognutt

Dead Werewolves
Caroline Dognutt (Bobson's mom)
Eleazer Smith

Vampires
Etc.
It was just weird.

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wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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One time I picked up a book at Goodwill based on the title alone (Bigfoot and the Librarian). It was a romance where a librarian moves to a mysterious small town and it turns out that Bigfoot lives there. And the reason that nobody ever catches Bigfoot is that he is a ....were-Bigfoot? Shapeshifter? Not sure of the terminology.

regarding shifting, the author posted:

When the hair started to grow, it tickled. Then, for a few seconds, it actually hurt. His legs grew longer, and that hurt a little, too. He was accustomed to the pain, and did not mind it. When his penis drew entirely into his body it didn’t hurt, but the sensation was odd, like no other he had ever experienced

I think about that specific scene a lot, for some reason.

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wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Captain Hygiene posted:

This isn't anything new, but it popped up in my feed and made me laugh all over again: Great Moments in Historical Novel Research, when an author did some googling for dye ingredients and somehow wound up putting recipes from a Zelda game into their book :bravo:



Makes me what other dumb/blatant research fuckups have made their way to publication by other authors.

There was that one woman who wrote a book about (iirc) homosexuality being punishable by death in England. Only to find out, in a live interview after publication, that she had completely misunderstood the legal terminology she was quoting.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Captain Hygiene posted:

Oh yeah, I remember that one too. There was some wording that was confusing if you accepted it at a cursory level without any further research, but I forget the exact details and my searches are way too vague to find that case.

It was buggering me so I Googled until I found her. Can't wait to see what the algorithm starts recommending for me based on searches like "sodomy legal research" and "19th century buggery laws."

Naomi Wolf posted:

"People widely believe that the last executions for sodomy were in 1830,” Wolf told the Observer. “But I read every Old Bailey record throughout the 19th century, so I know that not only did they continue; they got worse.”

quote:

According to Sweet, who first challenged Wolf on Radio 3’s Arts and Ideas, her error concerning Silver stems from a misunderstanding of “the very precise historical legal term, ‘death recorded’, as evidence of execution, when in fact it indicates the opposite”.

The historian Richard Ward agreed, adding that the term was a legal device first introduced in 1823. “It empowered the trial judge to abstain from formally pronouncing a sentence of death upon a capital convict in cases where the judge intended to recommend the offender for a pardon from the death sentence. In the vast majority (almost certainly all) of the cases marked ‘death recorded’, the offender would not have been executed.”

E:f,beaten like a 19th-C prisoner

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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HopperUK posted:

It was incredibly easy to find out too. Like, you can look up the courtroom records yourself and find out that many of the people who had their 'deaths recorded' went on to have other things happen to them later on.

Well that's a whole 'nother book in itself, about the Secret Zombie Invasion of 1843.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Captain Hygiene posted:

Lol, I always forget he exists but instantly hear OH JOHN RINGO NO in my head the moment I see his name.

Some while back, I read a series that was co-authored by John Ringo and another author, Travis Taylor. It had a lot of the usual libertarian Baen crap but wasn't as bad as, say, that one series where the heroes were the Waffen-SS. So I thought, oh, this Travis guy must be more normal by comparison and therefore the collaboration toned things down. So when I found Warp Speed at the local thrift store I was happy to plunk down $1.50 for it.

That was a very bad idea. It has been over a decade and I still sometimes randomly find myself goggling over how ridiculously bad that book was.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Tunicate posted:

Ringo wasn't the SS guy, you're thinking of Tom Kratman

Yeah, Ringo was a co-author with Kratman on at least one of those.

wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Woolie Wool posted:

I have no idea why people translate pedicabo et irrumabo like that when "buttfuck and skullfuck" are much better English.

Maybe it is just me, but in my lexicon "facefuck" involves a mouth whereas "skullfuck" features eyesockets. So there's a different vibe.

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wheatpuppy
Apr 25, 2008

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Tiggum posted:

I used to always finish books I started, but somewhere in my 20s I realised that I could just read something good instead and have never looked back. If I'm 10% into a book and it hasn't grabbed me (and I haven't been warned in advance that it starts slow but gets good later or whatever) then I'll chuck it and try something else. If I'm three quarters of the way through and I realise I just don't care any more? Drop it. Read something else. Too much stuff to read/watch/play to waste time like that.

It took me until my 40s to figure this out. :( So much time wasted on books that were either utterly forgettable, or so terrible they still haunt my waking hours.

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