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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I was listening to Teen Creeps podcast last week and they had a bit where they talked about how if ready player one was written by a woman and about a virtual world full of my little pony and jem and the holograms, it’d be in the YA section and not getting rave reviews from the nytimes

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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Gravid Topiary posted:

Probably John Bellairs, he did a lot of (good) young-adult horror books with Gorey covers:



I read all those books as a kid and loved them so much. I should see if i can dig them all up again.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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speaking of RPO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWPMJwHrWFU

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Don Gato posted:

Don't be racist, that only applies to northern China. Southern China is all stylish gunfights punctuated with occaisional martial arts duels.

Don't even get started on the dove infestations

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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they also own the Zebra imprint, which was the place for 80s horror novels that if nothing else had :krad: covers

http://www.fright.com/edge/ZebraHorror.htm

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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DACK FAYDEN posted:

loving John C. Wright, who can write some great SF settings and his characters are all made of cardboard anyway but he's an insufferable smug Jesus-freak prick about it ever since his literal brain damage

loving Dan Simmons and everything he wrote that isn't Hyperion

okay I'm done now

the terror and drood were both pretty good, though I haven't read them in a while, so not willing to die on that hill either

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Lemniscate Blue posted:

It's come to light recently that she was a direct abuser and child rapist herself, so yeah it was even worse than what people already knew.

Now that they’re both gone doesn’t the estate donate all proceeds to help victims of abuse?

Though I haven’t read the books so I can’t say if they’re remotely worth reading but at least something good is done with the money

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Dumbest goddamn comic book. Picked it up as part of a humble bundle, and it does that very early 2000s thing of loving to kill off and really give it to mtv and teen celebrities. This book hates Jersey Shore and Lady Gaga. Also weirdly conservative-spends lots of time dunking on Obama and libs, though there are some dumbass rednecks, and a character who isn't democrat or republican, but chose the side of america by joining the military.

The whole thing is pretty bad, the humor is bad, the political commentary is bad, the monster fighting isn't super good...
Worthless

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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nonathlon posted:

There's a tonne of regressive, weird ideas in comics, even in acclaimed series. (Preacher, anyone?) It speaks to the uncritical nature of much of their audience.

Yea recently went back to preacher and it’s rough and unpleasant. Don’t think it holds up that great. Neither does Ennis punisher run come to think of it. Little too edge Lordy

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Antivehicular posted:

I'm guessing the combination of teenager-style edginess and being instantly dated

And you know hating something dumb that women and girls tend to like. Reality tv and twilight or whatever always gets way more hate than their equally dumb male counterparts.

Especially in a dumb godzilla comic book. Like glass houses dude.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Firefly might be the worst book I’ve ever read. It’s like atlas shrugged for pedophiles.


...well another atlas shrugged for pedophiles

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I don't have it anymore, but we had to write a story about groundhog day in like second grade. Everyone else wrote about the groundhog being a celebrity or whatever. In mine the groundhog overslept and the world was completely frozen and he wandered an icy waste land, and I think at one point walked by giant dragon bones or something because of course there were dragons in my story.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Been reading a bunch of Japanese mysteries lately and read a real bad one:


Book is real offensive. Starts being about your badass lady cop in a sexist world but she ends up being saved by the main sexist rear end in a top hat cop, and the cop who is in love with and stalking her. She also gets lectured at the end about how although she solved the mystery she did it wrong with instinct and feeling (she gets one of the killers was a rower but the wrong one) instead of bullying nurses to break patient confidentiality and paying a hacker to give you all the answers like the sexist cop did.


Sexist and transphobic and dumb. Do not read.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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PHIZ KALIFA posted:


edit- the dude who wrote the cowboy wizard living in urban fantasy chicago, he branched off into Stones of Shanarra ripoffs, right? Are those still going?

Shanarra, at least the first book and to a lesser extent the next two, are just lotr with the serial numbers filed off. Imagining a knockoff of that just brings to mind eye of argon, and I’m sure it can’t possibly be that entertaining

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Elviscat posted:

So, if I plug in:

A) Female characters who pass the Bechdel test.
B) Well written.
C) in the genre of Sci-fi/Fantasy.
D) No weird sex stuff.

My ultra advanced neural net spits out "William Gibson's recent novels" and "Jim Butcher kinda tried"

What else should I be looking at?

I haven’t read a lot of his stuff, but Kim Stanley Robinson might work. Sure someone will prove me wrong right quick though.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I’ve never seen the English patient but I love the episode of Seinfeld where Elaine hates it.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I was a kid in the 90s who was obsessed with ufos and the x-files and accidentally bought some "teens investigate ufo crash in the desert but christian". I don't remember much aside from the disappointment.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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AceOfFlames posted:

Anyone else initially read this sentence in a completely different way?

yes.I take it as a glimpse into a happier timeline

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Inspector Gesicht posted:

page book.

To compensate for this lack of action the author keeps flashing forward to the aftermath of murder, again and again in a "Three Weeks Earlier" teaser. It never gets exciting and every cliffhanger is that annoying faux type: A big man holding a blood knife appears! He's just carving lamb in the kitchen. A scary face peers through the window! It's one of the guests who arrived late.

Ah, I see they studied at the RL Stine school of writing.

nothing against RL, but his books were for you know, children

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Ghost Leviathan posted:

There's plenty of better children's books.

I don’t disagree.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Oh no.

I look forward to hearing it get trashed, but I’m not subjecting myself to Ernest Kline ever again.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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packetmantis posted:

I enjoed the books until that dumbass reveal, too. Not great literature, but they were fun.

I still think they're fun, and I loved that reveal. I also still love IDEOTV and worst bestsellers, so judge my tastes accordingly.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I loathe the first book, but those excerpts are worse. That’s basically his nerd porn essay extrapolated into a novel

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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some quick hits:

If King is your bar for bad writing I envy you. Even his worst is leagues above someone like Richard Laymon. Laymon has some really good concepts, but he can't write women and I don't think he has a single book without multiple sexual assaults. Which is all on top of just bad writing.

Tanith Lee-I've only read like one or two of her vampire novels. Not bad, but like Poppy Z Brite gets real incesty

If you want good 80s nostalgia, read Grady Hendrix's My Best Friend's Exorcism.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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3D Megadoodoo posted:

He put a sex scene in the "detective novels except the last one where it's Aliens from the Internet" trilogy just because ?!?!?!?

It wasn't even a Really Perverse Stephen King sex scene, just completely unnecessary.

I don't remember any aliens in that book.What I remember is the mercedes killer got psychic powers and could possess other people using an app. Did I just block the aliens out of the equation? it's been a while so I wouldn't be surprised

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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3D Megadoodoo posted:

The aliens were just a reference to Fahrenheit.

e: I don't remember if they were aliens even in that one, but a Deus Ex Internet all the same.

Ah got it. Man I loved that game when it came out. Can’t imagine it holding up very well.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Arivia posted:

The Shannara books are more interesting on a reread once you know it’s all a demonic nuclear post-apocalypse and yes those really are robots and supercomputers and military bases

There's a lot of winking at it even in the first book. Aside from being a giant lord of the rings knock off it's all I remember about that book. I think they all but tell you by the second. I only read the first three, but they had yet to do anything cool with it.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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SimonChris posted:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person

There is also "Cat Person", the viral New Yorker story, which does not involve any actual cats at all, much less a badass woman who turns into a cat and eats her partners, like I assumed.

friend, do I have the movie for you:



I thought cat person, was alright, but I also didn't have such lofty expectations

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I've heard Mieville's name dropped by the sort of people whose political alignment is basically "Pretentious Left", and I know he wrote a book about the Bolshevik revolution that I will never bother to read.

Edit:never mind, don't want to give him even a little praise. gently caress that dude

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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I remember enjoying his X-files novels when I was a kid.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Ghost Leviathan posted:

I am reminded of how so many Hollywood directors seem fascinated with Japan and yet are so obviously only surface-level familiar to the point where the average weeb probably knows more and can speak more coherently about the actual culture and history of the place.

See Isle of Dogs. A Wes Anderson movie set in Japan about dogs was something I was very much looking forward to. That movie though... oof

Ambitious Spider has a new favorite as of 16:53 on Apr 5, 2021

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Mycroft Holmes posted:

I enjoyed the movie. What was wrong with it?

It’s very othering and has a white savior storyline. Very late 80s Japanese economic menace vibes.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Lemniscate Blue posted:

That's not to say that Darrell Sweet's Wheel of Time cover art was, y'know, good or accurate to the books in any other respects either.

Speaking of Darrel Sweet, they got him to illustrate covers for Jordan's Fallon trilogy after WoT got popular



which, uh were more aptly represented by their original cover:



That's one way to trick me into reading revolutionary war set romance novel

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I just read a collection of Robert E Howard's weird fiction, and in the intro the editor was like "He was racist, and had a darkness that led to his suicide, but it's ok because if he wasn't so messed up we wouldn't have so many great stories." :stare:

Which on the whole the stories weren't that bad for weird fiction of the time (mostly unspecific degenerative precursor races and a sort of weird fetishism of muslims) until Pigeons from hell, which is wildly racist. I think it's probably a good candidate for a rewrite by a person of color as it's ultimately about a "zuvembie" curse placed on the mistress of a plantation by her abandoned mixed race daughter. but told without any nuance and lots of slurs and problematic characters.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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SimonChris posted:

Haruki Murakami is notorious for constantly throwing in scenes where his middle-aged protagonists need to have sex with magical realist teenagers. I am particularly fond of this scene from "Kafka on the Shore", where a college girl lectures the protagonist about philosophy while giving him a blowjob:

Murakami is one of my faves, but when they finally translated his first two novels into english, the second one Pinball 1973 is about the protagonist (the same guy from wild sheep chase, and dance dance dance) being obsessed with pinball, and living and sleping with these two twins who mysteriously show up at his house one day. Like dude, come on. I also like(d?) Dave eggers a lot, but Hologram for the king was definitely his novel in the category. Schlubby business man keeps hooking up with out of his league ladies. Goddamn nonsense.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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I think I mentioned this when it happened years ago, but a while back I thought to myself, "you know, I haven't read anything about dinosaurs since when I was a kid..." and foolishly typed "Adult dinosaur books" into the search bar. Very different results than what I was expecting.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Grain of salt because it’s been a while, but I liked Hyperion, The Terror, and Drood.

I’d recommend avoiding everything else

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Been reading Wise Man's Fear, the second King killer chronicle. Now, I know what's coming, but the majority of the book is more of the same. And then out of nowhere he's brought into the fae by the sex fairy queen. And he's super good at sex despite being a virgin. And makes her fall in love with him, because he's super good at writing songs and magic and also a virgin so she lets him go to see how good he'll be when he gets some experience. And then she keeps training him in the erotic arts because her greatest lover will never disappoint another...

And it goes on and on and on. Like chapters of it. It's way more egregious than I thought it would be.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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Dienes posted:

Its worse than that. He is let go because he negs the goddess of sex on her sex skills and she falls for it.

Your'e right he negs her through song-and is like you need to go have more sex to see how great I really am and write me a better song

It's so bad.

Perestroika posted:

Look forwards to when he gets back home and he proceeds to gently caress his way though the university and creeps on basically every woman there, but a female character explicitly goes "Oh, it's not creepy when he's ogling you, it's totally hot and flattering actually!"



fantastic

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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



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IShallRiseAgain posted:

The funny thing is that Patrick Rothfuss hasn't even been able to finish the third book for over a decade, presumably because he has written himself into a corner. Fantasy authors are so bad at actually finishing their series if they get popular.

The abrupt shift to weird sex stuff kind of makes me wonder if he had no idea how to finish and decided to deliberately try and tank the whole project.

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