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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Strom Cuzewon posted:

What is this poo poo?


Look at this! This tells me nothing about how that character feels, because every character referenced climbs into that cockpit for fundamentally different reasons. If all the author took from those scenes is "woah, spaceships" then he sucks at watching movies as much as he does at writing.

Ah, but would an exploration of the characters give you the same rush as he does when he writes some nerd culture references and then you recognise them??

I think not :c00lbert:

It's basically a social feedback loop for people with no connection to each other except shared pop culture.

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

See, I think if an author has some creepy fixation on underage girls or whatever, then that actually makes them incapable of writing big meaningful sci fi monoliths on the nature of humanity.

They don't understand a thing about humanity, especially the teenage girl portion of it. All they understand is white, male, middle aged paedos (and probably fascists too).

And yeah there are plenty of dickwolf self-publishers going at it, but most of the 'respectable' big sci fi names do the same in one way or another.

gently caress em. I'm not desperate enough for spaceships to wade through that.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Only in pop sci fi would 'child soldiers are bad' be a point of debate.

Seriously, I swear half these people only really care about setting up the world so that their favourite brand of fascism is the only way to save mankind.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

C.M. Kruger posted:

A while back I read a techno-thriller called Kill Decision. Basic plot is that a shadowy cabal is out to get America with drone attacks and by using stolen/rebuilt Predator drones to frame the US by blowing up mosques and stuff, Clancy meets Crichton's hand-wringing over technology essentially. So to stop them, a one-dimensional brooding special forces soldier named Odin (who has two trained ravens named Hugin and Munin, of course) has to rescue a one-dimensional scientist who researches swarm theory and basically exists to tell Odin and his team how to best shoot the science run amok.

IIRC everybody in Odin's team chooses to stay at the rank of Sergent, because apparently officers answer to the government but the enlisted answer to 'Murica. Odin and the scientist get it on after escaping a drone swarm, the ravens watch. I think the book just sort of ends after the characters stop a plot to destroy some US aircraft carriers with a cargo ship full of killer drones, and there's like two pages at the end where one of the cabal members gets blown up by a drone strike in Maryland or something.

A true victory for the terrorists. They forced America to bomb its own soil. How humiliating.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

there wolf posted:

Is this a joke? Kovoth isn't literally telling Ambrose to go rape a woman. He's pointing out that what Ambrose is doing is forcing himself on a woman, and he's deliberately doing it where his victim is discouraged or unable to defend herself by making a scene. It's the way actual sexual predators act and it's loving refreshing to see any novel, much less a fantasy one, call that poo poo out.

yeah, but it's done in exactly the same way a reddit niceguy does claims to have done

he even bows for chrissakes

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

To be fair schools tend to give you essays about verb choices in chapter 3 because the book is well known and there are specific verb choices in that chapter that have a point.

It would be dumb to pick up a (literary) book at random and assume you can get the book's ~true artistic meaning~ from such a specific thing. Doesn't stop people trying though.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Ryoshi posted:

I went through a lot of honors and AP English courses in high school and never, not once, was asked a question like that. It was all questions about interpretations, themes, and (obviously) some basic comprehension stuff to make sure you did the reading in the first place. You know, pretty basic reading and critical analysis, which seems fair.

I would be very surprised to find out that that is not the norm. Did you maybe get beat up once by a test once in high school and the stress is making you generate false memories?

Not particularly, but I'm thinking of the kind of stuff you get asked at like 13? Where you wouldn't get asked about repetition in these three pages if the teacher didn't know drat well that it was important.

It kind of feels like people who didn't like or get that sometimes assume actual literary criticism is basically the same? Except they don't see the reasoning behind it so they think you just pick something really specific and spin unsubstantiated claims out of it?

I don't think that's the case myself so :shrug:

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

e: welp

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

IMO all of mistborn is good except the evil twin I guess. Maybe it just clicked with me, but I enjoyed it way more than Sanderson's technically superior magnum opus stormlight doorstopper

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

quote:

He said that "prosperous peasants" lived in a single room in a large building that also included the farm animals' pens and feed storage, and everyone in the family slept on a communal bed of vermin-filled straw and even had sex among everyone else. Travelers who stayed the night would be invited to sleep in the pile.

So in a way, we're right back to Thomas Kinkade's gently caress Cabin :v:

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

tbf it's pretty absurd that Palestinian terrorists would find a misplaced Israeli nuke, then instead of doing the obvious they smuggle it all the way to the US to give Clancy's readers motivation for some gitmo fanfic.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Konstantin posted:

He did order massive massacres of civilians and prisoners in French colonies and occupied territories, but that wasn't exactly unusual behavior for generals in the early 19th century.

He inherited the administration of the French revolution and goons seem to love those massacres :shrug:

Napoleon's generals and administrators had proven themselves in the revolutionary government, which was overthrown because it was a revolving door of would be leaders purging each other.

Though as a Brit I don't think we really look on him as a bad guy more than any other historical figure. Beating him is just something we are smug about to the French.

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Thinking about all the Australian aborigines' fic in the Dreamtime fandom because I cannot comprehend a spiritual pursuit or cultural bond higher than enjoying Content.

Is this as an aside where I can moan about how much I hate the title 'content creator'?

Like just call yourself an artist or videographer or poet or hell, streamer, entertainer, online show host whatever. It just belies totally the wrong approch; hmm yes consume content, shovel it into my waiting maw.

Can't wait for sweet content drops from my fav creators Keats, van Gogh, Homer

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Are the Dirk Gently books anything like the show? FWIW I enjoyed it but boy did they make some bold decisions, especially the second season.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

I think I do agree with the practice by copying point fundamentally, but there is one obvious difference.

Someone copying a famous artwork is presumably copying something of the technique, whether that is the actual painting style, the eye for anatomy, or whatever.

Does fanfiction really copy the style or craft of the original? It seems to me it usually copies the subject matter while using totally different styles. Kind of like imitating the brushstrokes of a portrait verseus sketching the subject on a trip to the beach.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I made that mistake a couple of times, once was with Garth Nix's Abhorsen trilogy, accidentally bought the third book because there was nothing on it that indicated it was part of a series or where in the series it went. Which didn't hamper my enjoyment because it is a good fun trilogy anyway but did make it a bit confusing at first because it is directly a follow on to the second book, while the first is pretty standalone.

I also did it with some... weird series called the well of echoes or something? I bought a book in it called geomancer and it was just a bunch of weird fantasy poo poo interspersed with all the characters loving each other, seems like not only was it part of a series but part of multiple series set in the same universe and after skipping all the loving because it was boring I just didn't finish it cos none of it made sense.

In hindsight I think it was mostly the author being horny to be honest.

No one ever talks about these books! I loved them at 14 and I love them now and no one can tell me they're bad!

They are about humanity steadily losing World War 0.5 against dimensional invaders or are they, magic is mostly industrial and everyone is fresh meat for the hellwar. Also there are subspecies of human from other worlds with scores to settle.

It's actually three quartets (!) and counting. The first is probably the best and also the most traditional fantasy, and I don't think it has a word of bad horny in it.

Geomancer is part of the second, which isn't dangerous horny but probably needs an annual inspection to make sure or something. Half the characters are feuding/loving twentysomethings who grew up at the same tank factory.

The third one reaches unacceptable horny levels including the old howler of the main character constantly thinking about her breasts. Ian man come on get it together you were cool :(

E: It's Well of Echoes by Ian Irvine.

Furthernore the Achim are as bad as loving Ted Faro gently caress those guys

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Mr. Sunshine posted:

Odysseus is fanfiction.

The Iliad is fanfiction. Ever wonder why Achilles sulks in his tent not appearing for large tracts of the story?

He's (possibly) an OC DO NOT STEAL crowbarred into an older story

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

I think the theory was that he'd been added by other contemporary Greeks as part of the oral tradition. But it was a long time ago and I don't remember well :v:

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

A true socialist crusader beloved by our forums, who hires expensive lawyers (or his own expensive legal education?) to shut up abuse victims :ussr:

gently caress Mieville puissantly

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Sorry, for the politix

I remember him being pretty well liked because he wrote good books (with a strong political bent) but came across as a down to earth tough guy rather than a nerdy keyboard warrior.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

The Lone Badger posted:

I remember liking the Laundry books by Charles Stross. How are the later ones holding up?

IMO they run into the same issue just described. Escalating stakes fundamentally change the tone of the books. They go from underpaid spooks trying to keep the universe from unravelling while complaining about HR, to:

- Milton Keynes is invaded by elves
- Something about vampire superheroes joining the police?
- The UK is ruled by an ancient egyptian lich who might be able to save us from the apocalypse

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yeah I almost posted 'The UK is ruled by an evil lich - and in the book as well!'

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Imagine being that broken up by an attack that frankly barely impacted life in the US, not that that stopped you whipping yourselves into a neo McCarthyist frenzy.

Meanwhile other countries have whole cities razed by artillery and bombing campaigns and are back to optimistic reckless capitalism within a few years.

Someone so loving clueless isn't even capable of turning out writing of value, and probably never was.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Excuse me it's not loving it is making love, like playing a lute and if you think that's a tacky metaphor then you don't understand love or music or me

- Patrick Rothfuss, more or less

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

It's the crest for one of the necromancer houses from Gideon the Ninth - here! https://www.muddycolors.com/2020/07/the-skulls-of-gideon-the-ninth/

Mine's sixth, and I think someone is floating around with a seventh house av too

They're books whose extremely online memeyness should make them terrible, but instead helps them absolutely nail the desolate tone and unhinged characters.

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yikes! Zoinks!

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