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Corbyn getting elected Labour leader would be great for Scottish Labour, and it wouldn't hurt Labour in Wales. I'm not convinced about England, though.
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Liz Kendall in Good Opinion shocker:quote:Three months ago, Labour let Britain’s ethnic minorities down. We lost. Labour must win back their trust so we can answer the injustices of society in government. We need to improve education throughout life so everyone can get on. Shame about everything else, really.
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Delusibeta posted:Corbyn getting elected Labour leader would be great for Scottish Labour, and it wouldn't hurt Labour in Wales. I'm not convinced about England, though. I'm not convinced that anyone in England who wants tories that are slightly less tory than tories aren't already voting tory (or lib-dems or ukips "we'll be like them but..." shtick). I'm not looking forward to how the press deals with him though. Which papers would be on his side other than the Morning Star? Liz Kendall posted:Three months ago, Labour let Britain’s ethnic minorities down. We lost. Labour must win back their trust so we can answer the injustices of society in government. We need to improve education throughout life so everyone can
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The Mirror will; they'd probably endorse Labour even if they made Stalin's corpse their leader. I'd imagine that the Daily Record in Scotland would and that is the paper with the highest circulation - admittedly that didn't exactly help Labour this year! The Mirror is the only paper that is a "Labour" paper in the same way that the Mail or the Telegraph are "Tory" papers - the Liberal-left press like the Guardian and the Independent are only enthusiastic about Labour when they are doing things that are approved by the Liberal middle-class - broadly safe social issues rather than serious economic things. The Indy doesn't even count anymore IMO - they endorsed the bloody Tories! The Morning Star doesn't count: mostly because I think the only places I've ever seen it sold are at the Communist Party stall that's occasionally on Buchanan Street in Glasgow and my local Waitrose (?), so it doesn't really count as a newspaper with a significant circulation. IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Now I'm imagining PMQs with Cameron timidly stumbling through some prepared remarks, pale and sweating, desperately trying to avoid meeting zombie Stalin's eye I'm in
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IceAgeComing posted:The Morning Star doesn't count: mostly because I think the only places I've ever seen it sold are at the Communist Party stall that's occasionally on Buchanan Street in Glasgow and my local Waitrose (?), so it doesn't really count as a newspaper with a significant circulation.
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IceAgeComing posted:The Indy doesn't even count anymore IMO - they endorsed the bloody Tories! The Morning Star doesn't count: mostly because I think the only places I've ever seen it sold are at the Communist Party stall that's occasionally on Buchanan Street in Glasgow and my local Waitrose (?), so it doesn't really count as a newspaper with a significant circulation. To be fair they endorsed a "Tory Lib Dem Coalition". I'd be inclined to say they did it because they're owned by a non-dom too, which is pretty bollocks when all told.
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The last twice I've been in Tesco up here they've had it, which freaked me outGum posted:someone posted a corbyn thread in the election subforum We have a election subforum? Acaila fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Acaila posted:The last twice I've been in Tesco up here they've had it, which freaked me out yeah its a few up from this one
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Ah, fair enough, I don't go to the main index much to notice these things.  I remember some folk were concerned Corbae hadn't mentioned any enthusiasm for voting reform. I was just reading this account of an interview with him which mentions a preference for the AMS system (which is also my preference for the same reasons) http://wire.novaramedia.com/2015/07/7-things-i-learned-from-chatting-to-jeremy-corbyn/
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Guavanaut posted:gently caress everyone who uses that stupid phrase. Anyone who has ever used that phrase without irony should be burned at the stake. Guillotine and wall are far too kind.
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Can we get a wordfilter in this and all future ukmts that replaces get on with :geton:? Thank.
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Bbc have put an article up comparing my bae to Donald loving trump. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33723766 quote:Let's bring back maintenance grants and get rid of student loans? Easy. We'll whack up corporation tax or hit the rich with massively higher personal taxes. Because taxing corporations and the pprnographically wealthy to pay for free universal education is roughly equivalent to telling Mexico to build a wall to keep foreigners out.
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winegums posted:Bbc have put an article up comparing my bae to Donald loving trump. what the gently caress is this doing on the bbc.
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Related to that John Harris article from the other day: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/jul/31/jeremy-corbyn-effect-labour-leadership-video (You should also watch all the other Anywhere but Westminster videos if you haven't seen them)
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OvineYeast posted:Related to that John Harris article from the other day: Just watched that myself and its kind of compulsory watching, it's really good and shows exactly why Corbyn is succeeding. Especially the ~20 year old who thinks both Labour and the Tories are the same but the Tories are more the party for the poor, graphically illustrates how hosed Labour had/has become.
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Acaila posted:Ah, fair enough, I don't go to the main index much to notice these things. The main criticism I've heard from the FPTP crowd about additional member-type systems is that it "creates two types of MP", and I've never really understood how that's supposed to be a big problem. If they're all given equal voting rights and rights to speak in the chamber, I don't see it having much practical difference. And it seems to work for Scotland just fine. Maybe they're concerned about MPs splitting into groups and bullying each other, which given the general maturity of MPs and the private-school surroundings sounds fairly in character, at least.
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Poor old Gideon is going to be PM BoJo's fag. He's gonna send him out to Bellamy's for some tuck.
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Angepain posted:The main criticism I've heard from the FPTP crowd about additional member-type systems is that it "creates two types of MP", and I've never really understood how that's supposed to be a big problem. If they're all given equal voting rights and rights to speak in the chamber, I don't see it having much practical difference. And it seems to work for Scotland just fine. Maybe they're concerned about MPs splitting into groups and bullying each other, which given the general maturity of MPs and the private-school surroundings sounds fairly in character, at least. AMS has always seemed self-evidently the best system to me (especially if you have AV for the constituencies and Open Lists for the top up members) - it retains a local representative, which I think is really important, and yields more proportional results than e.g. STV.
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Oberleutnant posted:Poor old Gideon is going to be PM BoJo's fag. He's gonna send him out to Bellamy's for some tuck. he's going to be the next tory leader
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OvineYeast posted:Related to that John Harris article from the other day: lol at that shop assistant from Bedford saying that we shouldn't tax rich people because she could be one if she put her mind to it. We are all temporarily embarrassed millionaires right?!
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Jose posted:he's going to be the next tory leader suck my dick jose.
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Angepain posted:The main criticism I've heard from the FPTP crowd about additional member-type systems is that it "creates two types of MP", and I've never really understood how that's supposed to be a big problem. If they're all given equal voting rights and rights to speak in the chamber, I don't see it having much practical difference. And it seems to work for Scotland just fine. Maybe they're concerned about MPs splitting into groups and bullying each other, which given the general maturity of MPs and the private-school surroundings sounds fairly in character, at least. The issue is that constituency time is a lot of your time as an MP. SO if you haven't got one you get a lot more free time. It makes total sense. And those videos are genuinely kinda scary, it always worries me how little people know about something so incredibly important.
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Oberleutnant posted:suck my dick jose. wow. rude i'm not sure who would be best against corbyn. a clown or a total lack of charisma
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Starting engineering graduate job salaries will be between £22-26k I should think. Our entry level design engineers are on about £24k, moving up to £29-33k when you're not useless. Then there's a big jump to £39-44k when you make up to the more senior grade like me. Not sure how it scale across all industries. I think we're relatively highly paid but have a fairly specialist skill set, even for a bunch of CAD monkeys. E: the gaffer is on £50-56k Bozza fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jose posted:he's going to be the next tory leader A lot of the left are convinced it's going to be Theresa May, which I'm not sure is wild fantasy or the fervent hope for a Labour win next time.
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Rolled Cabbage posted:A lot of the left are convinced it's going to be Theresa May, which I'm not sure is wild fantasy or the fervent hope for a Labour win next time. Hahahahah oh god, yes I'm sure and her manifesto would be 1984.
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ukle posted:Especially the ~20 year old who thinks both Labour and the Tories are the same but the Tories are more the party for the poor  Even when I had dumb babby political views in school I understood that Conservatives were the party of the wealthy and traditionalists, and Labour were the party of the inner city and (alleged) socialism, and Lib-Dems were what they voted for in Scotland (it was a long time before 2015)  .Unless he believes in trickle down and that socialism harms the poor, I don't know how you can confuse the two. Even if you believe that Thatcher saved the country from the death grip of the 70s, she didn't save it for the poorest. I could understand him hating Labour for being authoritarian dipshits (Blair and a succession of lovely home secretaries did that one for me) or for drifting economically rightwards but to hate them because they're not as good for the poor as the Tories in 2015 is beyond my comprehension.
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Top political opinions there Bedford.
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Look the tories gave us a living wage of £9.20 an hour in the last budget. Beat that, Liebour 
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Angepain posted:Liz Kendall in Good Opinion shocker: You say these things, I go and look and  quote:So here’s my offer to Britain’s ethnic minority communities and to our country: YOUR HOUSEHOLD BUDGET IS THE SAME AS THE NATIONAL FINANCES - said financially illiterate Blairist shite. (Although the mug thing is Correct)
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Why is that an offer to ethnic minorities? Are ethnic minorities really suffering from government overspending? Also does that mean she's going to take out a payday loan to pay for food until the end of the week and then be unable to pay it back and have to declare bankruptcy? Because I don't think Greece is a very good model for our economy.
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OwlFancier posted:Why is that an offer to ethnic minorities? They all run corner shops, you see.
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IceAgeComing posted:The Morning Star doesn't count: mostly because I think the only places I've ever seen it sold are at the Communist Party stall that's occasionally on Buchanan Street in Glasgow and my local Waitrose (?), so it doesn't really count as a newspaper with a significant circulation. Down here in this corner of theTory Essex badlands they sell it in Tesco and WHSmiths. We're totes lucky like that.
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OwlFancier posted:Why is that an offer to ethnic minorities? Are ethnic minorities really suffering from government overspending? Everyone does when the Debt Monster comes to Eat Our Children. Also it will look like Gordon Brown.
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forkboy84 posted:I guess it's time to stop cheering on Jeremy Corbyn now because George Galloway has announced if Corbae wins he'll apply to rejoin the Labour Party "pretty darn quick...hundreds of thousand would." They still block Militant types from 40 years ago rejoining. The sun will have swollen to engulf the Earth before Galloway's ever allowed in.
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Has anyone got access to the Times? I've got a perverse desire to read the latest Philip Collins article on Corbyn - it's supposed to be bizarre as gently caress. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4513159.ece
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