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We have a discord here: https://discord.gg/yFj4CgR http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fuckcrow --- History In 1996 Kazuki Takahashi released a manga named Yu-Gi-Oh, meaning 'King of Games'. It starred a young boy named Yugi as he played a multitude of games while aided by the spirit of the Millenium Puzzle, the titular King of Games. In one chapter, the villainous Seto Kaiba challenged Yugi to a game of an homage to Magic: The Gathering, known originally as 'Magic and Wizards', but later settling on 'Duel Monsters'. This game was curious to the fans who asked how it was actually played, and this eventually lead to Bandai making a card game that failed to successfully take off. However Konami launched their own version of the card game that has gone on to this day. This is Yu-Gi-Oh. How the gently caress do you play? The basic Yu-Gi-Oh deck is comprised of 40-60 cards, with a 15 card side deck (Side Board for the Magic familiars) and a 15 card Extra deck. The Extra Deck contains Fusion, Xyz and Synchro monsters, and is where Pendulum monsters go when they are destroyed. Each player starts the game drawing 5 cards. There is no Mulligan rule, instead the mindset behind deck building in Yu-Gi-Oh is to reduce the chance of drawing dead to 0 so a mulligan would never be necessary.  The playfield A play can spend their turn in Yu-Gi-Oh (Divided into Draw, Standby, Main 1, Battle, Main 2 and End) doing any of the following things: During the Draw Phase: -Draw a card. If you're going first, you don't draw on your first turn. -You can activate Quick-Play Spells from your hand, Traps or Quick-Play Spells that were Set in a previous turn, and monster effects that say "During either player's turn". During the Standby Phase: -You can activate Quick-Play Spells from your hand, Traps or Quick-Play Spells that were Set in a previous turn, and monster effects that say "During either player's turn". Often, effects designed around going off at the start of a player's turn will be triggered during the Standby Phase. During the Main Phases: -Normal Summon/Set a monster. You can only do this once per turn. -Special Summon a monster. You can do this an unlimited number of times per turn. -Activate or Set a Spell/Trap card. You can do this an unlimited number of times per turn. During the Battle Phase: -Attack with monsters on the field, so long as it is not the first turn of the game. -You can activate Quick-Play Spells from your hand, Traps or Quick-Play Spells that were Set in a previous turn, and monster effects that say "During either player's turn". During the End Phase: -You can activate Quick-Play Spells from your hand, Traps or Quick-Play Spells that were Set in a previous turn, and monster effects that say "During either player's turn". This is a last chance for your opponent to get in any moves they want to make before their turn starts, though you can also play your own. There are of course cards that can subvert these rules, so the most important thing you have to do is to understand your cards. Each player has 8000 Life Points (LP). You win by either reducing your opponent to 0 LP, or when they have to draw but have no cards left in their deck (deck-out), or with one of several win condition card effects. Each player is limited to 5 Monsters and 5 Spell/Traps on the field (indicated by the Zones). There are also two Pendulum Zones, which can be filled by Pendulum Monsters, and a Field Zone, meant for special Field Spell cards. In the Battle Phase, each of your monsters can attack once each. If your opponent controls a monster, you can only attack monsters. However, if they have none, you can attack them directly. Each attack is handled separately instead of in one sequence. This makes the playfield of Yu-Gi-Oh ruthless, as there is no way (barring certain cards) to attack your opponent without killing their monsters. Monsters can be in Attack Position (vertical) or Defense Position (horizontal). Attack Position monsters can attack, but they represent an opening, as if they lose a battle, you take damage. Defense Position monsters cannot attack, but they protect your LP - you take no damage, even if they're destroyed by an attacker. When battling, monsters use the stat of the position they are currently in, ATK for Attack Position, DEF for Defense Position. When a monster attacks an Attack Position monster, compare the two monsters' ATK, and destroy the one whose ATK is lower. The destroyed monster's controller then loses LP equal to the difference (Battle Damage). If both have equal ATK, both are destroyed but neither player takes damage. When a monster attacks a Defense Position monster, if the attacker's ATK is greater than the defender's DEF, the defender is destroyed, but neither player takes damage. If the ATK is equal to or less than the defender's DEF, the controller of the attacking monster takes damage equal to the difference, but neither monster is destroyed. The maximum hand size is 6. If your hand is larger than 6 at the end of your turn, you must discard until you have 6. That seems like the game could go long. Most likely if your opponents deck goes off, you will be dead on turn 2 if you are not similarly up to speed. That seems brutally fast. How does the game move that fast? Yu-Gi-Oh is a game of card interactions, with your only limits being your slots and what your cards can do. It is best to understand that you are attempting to gain as much value for your cards as possible in a single turn. Make no mistake, a good deck will have monsters on the field, and potentially a full hand by the end of their first turn. It is a game of breakneck turnabouts. There are decks that play Stun and Control but the majority of Yu-Gi-Oh is speed. --- Summoning Types. Normal Summoning or Setting is an action you can take once per turn. You simply place a monster from your hand onto the field in either face-up Attack Position (Normal Summon) or face-down Defense Position (Set). This is free for monsters whose level is 4 or lower, but for higher-level monsters, you have to Tribute monsters already on the field. A level 5 or 6 monster requires 1 Tribute to Normal Summon or Set, while a level 7 or higher monster requires 2 Tributes. Flip Summoning is when you turn a monster in face-down Defense Position into face-up Attack Position. You cannot change the battle position of a monster the turn it was Summoned or Set, or if it attacked earlier in the turn, and you can only change each monster's battle position once per turn. Special Summoning is a catch-all term for Ritual, Fusion, Synchro, Xyz and Pendulum Summoning, as well as including all miscellaneous card effects that Special Summon. Ritual Summoning is the way to summon a Ritual Monster from your hand by using a Ritual Spell, which will usually tell you to Tribute other monsters from your hand and field whose total levels equal or exceed the level of the Ritual Monster. For instance, "Black Luster Soldier" is a level 8 Ritual Monster which can be Ritual Summoned by playing "Black Luster Ritual" and Tributing a level 8 monster, or a level 2, a level 3 and a level 4, or any other combination that adds up to 8 or more. Fusion Summoning turns two or more monsters into a Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck. The most basic fusion summoning uses the Spell Card "Polymerization" to fuse together two monsters from your hand or field into a Fusion Monster that names both in its card text. Not all Fusion Monsters act like this. The cards will spell out their summoning conditions. The primary difference between Ritual and Fusion Summoning, other than Ritual Monsters being in the Main Deck and Fusion Monsters being in the Extra Deck, is that Ritual Summoning uses more specific Ritual Spells but the cost can be paid with any monsters, whereas Fusion Summoning mostly uses rather generic Spells but requires more specific combinations of monsters. Synchro Summoning turns one face-up Tuner Monster on the field and one or more face-up non-Tuner monsters on the field into a Synchro Monster whose level is exactly equal to the total level of those monsters. For instance, to summon the level 8 "Stardust Dragon", you can use a level 4 Tuner and a level 4 non-Tuner, or a level 2 Tuner and two level 3 non-Tuners, or any other combination that includes only one Tuner and adds up to exactly 8. Xyz (pronounced "ick-seez") Summoning overlays two face-up monsters on the field who have the same level into an Xyz Monster who has a Rank equal to the monsters' level. Unlike Ritual, Fusion or Synchro Summoning, which sends the monsters used as material to the Graveyard, the monsters used for the Xyz Summon are piled up on the field, and the Xyz Monster is placed on top. These monsters are referred to as its Xyz Material, and may be detached (sent to the Graveyard) later to activate the Xyz Monster's effects. Unlike the other Summoning methods, where you can use any number of monsters, Xyz Summoning requires exact numbers. An Xyz Monster that lists "2 Level 4 monsters" can only be Summoned using 2, you cannot use 3 to give it extra Xyz Material. Pendulum Summoning occurs only when a player has two Pendulum Monsters in the two Pendulum Zones. Once per turn, if you have both Zones filled, you can Special Summon any number of monsters from your hand, or that are face-up in your Extra Deck, whose Level is between the Scales of your two Pendulum Zones. For example, if you have a Scale 1 in one Zone, and a Scale 8 in the other, you can Pendulum Summon monsters whose levels are from 2 to 7. There is no form of Summoning Sickness in Yugioh, unless a card specifically specifies limitations after the summon. What are the card types? There are 3 (kind of, Pendulums complicate this) Types of cards: Monsters, Spells and Traps. Each of those types have sub-types of cards. --- Monsters Your bread, your butter. You punch the mans in the face with them. Normal Monsters  These are monsters with Attack and Defense, but have no other benefit. You may consider playing them however as some cards only interact with Normal Monsters. Effect Monsters  Effect Monsters have some kind of effect to go with them, which may be beneficial or harmful. Some Effect Monsters will be Flip Monsters, which have an effect that activates when they're flipped face-up, whether that's by battle, a card effect or by Flip Summon. A note Most Ritual, Fusion, Synchro and Xyz monsters will also be Effect Monsters. However, there are some that have no effects. Bear in mind that while these monsters are not Effect Monsters, they are not Normal Monsters either. Pendulum Monsters, however, can be Normal Monsters. Tuner Monsters  These are monsters with the Tuner sub-type which allows them to summon Synchro Monsters. These monsters can be Normal Monsters, Effect Monsters, and even Synchro Monsters. Ritual Monsters  Ritual Monsters are part of the main deck, and must be Ritual Summoned with Ritual Spell cards. They will usually name a Ritual Spell Card in their card text, but you will sometimes be able to find alternatives. For instance, "Demise, King of Armageddon" says that it can only be Ritual Summoned with "End of the World" in its card text, but it can also be Ritual Summoned with "Contract with the Abyss", which can Ritual Summon any DARK Ritual Monster. Card text describing Ritual Spells and the Tributes for the Ritual Summon is not an effect. Fusion Monsters  Fusion Monsters are kept in the Extra Deck, which was originally known as the Fusion Deck when only Fusion Monsters existed. Fusion Monsters must be summoned by a card effect, which will usually mean a Spell Card like "Polymerization", however there are several Fusion Monsters which list different ways you can Summon them. Fusion Monsters will usually list two or more monsters at the top of their card text. These monsters are their required Fusion Material, and do not count as an effect. Some Fusion Monsters, especially older ones, will name specific monsters, while more recent ones will have more generic requirements. For example, "Elemental HERO Flame Wingman" up there has "Elemental HERO Avian" + "Elemental HERO Burstinatrix", meaning it needs those two monsters, while "Lunalight Cat Dancer" simply says 2 "Lunalight" monsters". Synchro Monsters  Synchro Monsters are kept in the Extra Deck. They must be Synchro Summoned. Like Fusion Monsters, Synchro Monsters list their required Synchro Material at the top of their card text. The Synchro Material does not count as an effect. Usually, this will say 1 Tuner + one or more non-Tuner monsters. Some Synchro Monsters will have more specific requirements, such as naming a specific Tuner ("Junk Warrior" can only be Synchro Summoned with "Junk Synchron" as the Tuner), or needing more than one non-Tuner ("Mist Wurm" requires one Tuner and two or more non-Tuners). Xyz Monsters  Xyz Monsters are kept in the Extra Deck, and are rather strange, as they have a Rank, not a Level. And no, they don't count as Level 0. Cards that would affect a monster based on their level simply do not affect Xyz Monsters. Like Fusion and Synchro Monsters, Xyz Monsters list their Xyz Material, which doesn't count as an effect. Xyz Monsters must be Xyz Summoned, and the monsters used remain attached to them after the fact as Xyz Material, which is used to pay the costs of their effects. For example, the Rank 4 "Number 39: Utopia" requires 2 Level 4 monsters to be Xyz Summoned, and can detach 1 Xyz Material to negate an attack. Xyz Material attached to an Xyz Monster does not count as being on the field, although, confusingly, at no point does it leave the field. Pendulum Monsters  Another very strange monster type, Pendulum Monsters are both Monsters and Spells. Most of the time, they count as Monsters, and have the Monster Effect (if any) on the lower half of the card. However, you can also activate (but not Set) them in the Pendulum Zone. While in the Pendulum Zone, they count as Spells, lose their Monster Effect, and gain their Pendulum Effect (if any), as well as applying their Pendulum Scale (the number on both sides of the card, next to the triangles) for the purposes of Pendulum Summoning. If a Pendulum Monster would go from anywhere on the field to the Graveyard, it goes to the top of the Extra Deck face-up instead, from where it can be Pendulum Summoned again. Pendulum Monsters can be Normal Monsters, Effect Monsters and have even been Synchro and Xyz Monsters. Remember that while Synchro and Xyz monsters start in the Extra Deck, they cannot be Pendulum Summoned unless they're face-up, ie have been Synchro or Xyz Summoned and then sent there instead of going to the Graveyard. --- Spell Types In MTG terms, Spells are essentially your Instants, Sorceries, Enchantments etc. They are played in the Spell/Trap Zone. Generally, Spell Cards will be played during your turn. To activate a Spell Card, simply play it face-up. They can also be Set, and then can later be flipped face-up to activate them, even during the same turn you Set them (with one exception). Normal Spell Cards  These are spells that are played only during your turn, and only during your own Main Phase. They cannot be played in response to other cards or effects. They will usually have a one-shot effect, then go to the Graveyard after being played. These and Ritual Spells would be equivalent to Sorceries. Ritual Spell Cards  These cards are played in the same way as Normal Spells, and Ritual Summon Ritual Monsters from your hand, in exchange for a Tribute. There's actually no mechanical difference between Normal Spells and Ritual Spells, it's just that quite a few card effects deal with Ritual Spells. Continuous Spell Cards  These cards are played in the same way as Normal Spells, however instead of going to the Graveyard, they remain face-up on the field, taking up a Spell/Trap Zone. In MTG terms, these are your Enchantments. Equip Spell Cards  These cards work in the same way as Continuous Spell Cards, with the extra detail that instead of just hanging around on their own, you equip these cards to a monster. You can equip to either player's monsters. Equip Spell cards only stick around as long as their monster does; when the monster leaves the field in any way, any equipped Equip Spells are destroyed. These are the equivalent to MTG's Auras. Field Spell Cards  These cards work like Continuous Spells, except that they go in the Field Zone instead of the Spell/Trap Zone. Unlike most Spell and Trap Cards, Field Spells can be Set or activated even if your Field Zone is already full, in which case the old one will be sent to the Graveyard. In the past, there could only be one Field Spell between both players, but now each player can control one. If you're an MTG player and remember World Enchantments, that's basically what these are, or were. Quick-play Spell Cards  These cards blur the line between Spells and Traps somewhat. During your own turn, Quick-Play Spells can be played from your hand during any Phase, and can even be activated in response to other card effects. However, when you Set a Quick-Play Spell, it acts like a Trap Card: You cannot activate it during the turn you Set it, but you can activate it at any point during a later turn, even your opponent's turn. Quick-Play Spells are incredibly versatile, but you'll find that to balance that, there's a lot they can't do. They go to the Graveyard after you've used their effects. --- Trap Types Trap Cards cannot be activated from your hand. You must Set them, and they cannot be activated in the turn that they're Set. However, they can be activated at any time during a later turn, often during your opponent's turn to disrupt their plays. Normal Traps  These simply have a one-shot effect then go to the Graveyard. Counter Traps  Counter Traps are like Normal Traps but more, uh, 'final'. There's a mechanic called Spell Speed which never comes up on card text, so to make it real simple, just remember that once a Counter Trap has been activated, you can't activate anything but other Counter Traps in response. Continuous Traps  Just like Continuous Spells, Continuous Traps stick around face-up after they're activated. --- This all sounds really super complex and I retained like 10% of it. Is there any way that if I was the dumbest person imaginable I could learn? Watch the Anime. I do not say this as a joke either, the Anime is attempting to sell this card game to children, it explains very thoroughly what cards are doing what, why and when. It is as good a tutorial as you will get for this game if you don't understand. Also helps that the current Series, Arc-V is actually really good. Are there any Youtubers I can watch play these games? There are! MegaCapitalG As well as duel videos and analysis of cards as they're revealed, he does occasional top ten videos. His stated aim is to help less knowledgeable players improve. Not the best player around but he's pretty entertaining. PhoenixFlareX Combo-focused player and pretty much the only person in the world who plays Dragunity. Can get a bit rude and self-congratulatory but he definitely knows his combo strings. Also analyses new cards as they're revealed. Lithium2300 Very meta-focused Yugituber, possibly the nicest player on Youtube. Like most Yugitubers he does analysis of new cards as they're revealed, but he goes above and beyond by actually building decks with them and trying them out online. Does regular meta analysis videos, and also records top 8 matches from his local tournaments and puts up deck profiles of the top 8 players. Also notable for his Cross-Banlist Duels series, where he plays top tier decks from ages past against each other. These have now developed into the Cross-Banlist Cup, a full tournament of duels between great decks from across the ages. Azneyes/Slaydra Slaydra is not good at this game, kind of obnoxious in the way he presents his videos, a huge memelord and honestly there's not all that much to recommend about him, but he streams regularly and he's got quite a few fans so maybe you'll like what he does. The Duel Logs This guy does multiple types of decks, from silly gimmick rarely going to work decks to on-theme decks to just new deck types. It's always fun to see a new combination. Has never pronounced a word with more than five letters correctly in his life. Rank 10 Yugioh Newer, smaller channel that focuses mainly on top 10 videos, although of late has also been doing 'Legacy of the Worthless' videos focusing on truly awful deck types of the past. Also does occasional deck profile videos, mostly featuring his pet deck, Rank 10 Trains. Yu-Gi-Oh4RealMen YGO4RM brings the essence of manly Yu-Gi-Oh to the front, care not for the meta and instead play your dumb gimmick deck. You can still win even if you're playing something as silly as "Inzektor Gadgets". This channel is just about having fun. Sadly, the guy running it has quit the game, so don't expect anything more recent from the channel. Well this all sounds fun. Anything else I should watch? At the World Tournaments and Regionals, Konami usually brings in the voice actors for VA Duels. These are scripted duels usually done for a lot of fun and entertainment between matches. This is the latest one, Pegasus vs Marik. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daYaE6Y0Fr0 Enjoy. Okay, where can I play? Your local game store probably runs tournaments, but online most people will use one of two programs. YGOPro and DevPro. These are free programs that automate dueling and are up to date on the latest cards spoiled for the latest sets. DevPro typically updates faster, but YGOPro is considered better if you wish to stream, as everything is done within one window vs DevPro opening seperate windows for each game. YGOPro also has an automated AI mode for you to test decks against, while DevPro's DevBot can be found and challenged in the integrated chat. You can get YGO Pro here: https://www.ygopro.co/ And DevPro here: https://en.ygodevpro.com/ If you want to play with the most updated cards, play on DevPro, if you want to stream or test a deck against the AI, play YGOPro. Onmi fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Q&A "I keep seeing this OCG and TCG thing? What's that Okay. This is dumb, but while the world plays the game Yu-Gi-Oh. We technically play a different game to those in Japan. They play with their own official Banlist the OCG or "Original Card Game". We play with the TCG or Trading Card Game. This... is only important if you are playing at tournaments, because you must abide by the TCG banlist and cannot use cards in the OCG... which is fine, because if you're playing physically those OCG cards aren't out in english and wouldn't be legal in a local tournament. Playing on DevPro or YGOPro we play with a format called TCG/OCG. Where we use cards from both, but the TCG banlist. So it's not all that worrying unless you're playing this professionally. It's just dumb. "How Tribal is this game?" Yu-Gi-Oh Separates Monsters in three separate ways. The first is its Attribute. There are 7, though 1 is unique. These would be your 'Colours' in magic. Fire, Water, Wind, Earth, Dark, Light and Divine, which very few cards have access to. Many cards interact depending on a cards Attribute, such as Dark Armed Dragon  The next is the monsters Type. You can consider this the equivalent to Magic's "Type" in that this is mainly how we define Tribes. There are 24 Types. Though... one of them is exclusive to the Creator God. So there is really 23. Lots of cards also support cards based on their types. Such as Dragon Ravine.  The final is the monsters Archetype. This isn't defined by your monsters personal type, but usually in their name. For example, Noble Knights are an Archetype, as they are a series of Warrior monsters who all have cards that only work on Noble Knight monsters.  This doesn't mean you have to exclusively play to an Archetype, and a lot of Archetype support can frankly be garbage. But it does give you a place to start when you say "I want to build a deck." The important thing to remember is much like Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh is not telling you "Build to your Attribute/Type/Archetype" Some decks are good tribal decks, others are good archetype decks, some are just good decks. Play what you want and experiment. Dragon Ravine is meant as a field spell exclusively for the Dragunity Archetype, but most Dragon Decks in general can use it for value. It was once banned because Dragon Rulers were using it to great effect. "I blew up their activated trap card with my Mystical Space Typhoon. But their trap effect still went off" This is because Mystical Space Typhoon only says that it 'Destroys' a spell/trap card, not Negate. You may have destroyed the activated card, but it's still on the stack. Yu-Gi-Oh has a Stack to, although that's not the name for it. "What the hell? My opponent Mystical Space Typhooned my Fire Formation: Tenki. And I didn't get my search effect off" Continous Spells need to remain face up on the field for their effects to resolve. This is a case of Tenki being destroyed before its effect can take place, since it's in the grave, its effect cannot resolve "What is Missing the Timing?" I'm not even going to try to sum this up http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Missing_the_timing Read that. EDIT: Thankfully Julias has a mini-example for you Julias posted:An example of Missing the timing would be using Soul Taker on Fire Hand or Ice Hand, since the then conjunction indicates that gaining 1000 LP occurs after the destruction, causing When...You can... effects to miss the window of activation (missing the timing). "This game is confusing" That's not a question. But yes. Yu-Gi-Oh is a very complex game when you first play it. Mostly because A. You're trying to unlearn important things about other card games and B. There's no real standardized keywords. Even Trample in magic is still written out in Yu-Gi-Oh instead of Keyworded. But once you get past that opening hurdle, the game comes to you very easily, it's like Magic, at first you're very lost and then all the jargon makes sense and you're a wizard. --- Yu-Gi-Oh Lingo list - (To be added to the OP) Note: Some of these are not standard, and are used by me personally and others I play with, others are more general terms that wont actually be used in conversation. Beatstick - A monster with high damage output. Usually the easiest to summon for no other reason than to punch faces. Cyber Dragon was one of the best Beatsticks at 2100 attack and an easy summon condition. e.g. "Your deck could use a Beatstick." BKSS - "Because Konami Said So" You must follow Konami's rulings on a card even if it contradicts the text on the card because Konami said so. The most famous example of this was Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster who originally printed with this text  Pretty straight forward? Actually no. Because Rampart Blaster can only use that effect if your opponent has no monsters on the field. Even though the effect is useless in that case. Does this make sense with the text on the card? No. But it's the rules Because Konami Said So. They did later errata the card to make more sense. But it's still a famous case  Bricked - To draw into a completely unusable hand e.g. "I've bricked" Bounce - To Bounce is to return something to the hand after it has hit the field. e.g. "I bounce your monster with Compulsory Evacuation Device" Cookie Cutter - To have a deck made almost entirely of staples with very little variance. The most basic kind of deck Cycling - When a card replaces itself for a +0 effect. Upstart Goblin is a good Cycling card, as it draws a single card, gives the opponent 1000 life, and then enters the grave. In short, it effectively makes your deck -1 in total size Deck Fattener - The opposite of Deck thinning, to fatten a deck means to add cards back to it, such as with the ability of Noble Knight Brothers Deck Thinner - Any effect that reduces the number of cards in your deck, either via adding those cards to your hand, sending them to the graveyard, or summoning them to the field. Engine - these are a collection of cards that work well together, but which do not form their own deck. Such as the Machina Engine of Machina Gearframe and Machina Fortress. Engines tend to be able to enter mutliple decks and support them. Float/Floater - A floater is officially a monster card that replaces itself in some way. Not necessarily by hitting the graveyard. To Float, is the act of that effect being triggered Floodgate - This is a card that limits one or both players plays. For example, Skill Drain and Vanity's Emptiness do not stop you from playing cards, but effects wont trigger and monsters cannot be special summoned. Hand Trap - This is a type of card that is kept in the hand but is played like a trap card would be. For example Effect Veiler to negate an opponents effect. Or Swift Scarecrow to end the battle phase immediatly. Limbo - the state of a Monster before it has entered play officially, during the time where it can be negated by a card like Solemn Warning, but before its effects will trigger. Also the state of Xyz material, they do not count as "Leaving the field" when used as an Xyz summon, or when sent to the grave either from the cost of an Xyz monsters ability, or the Xyz monsters destruction. Monster House - a variant of a Brick, to draw into nothing but monsters in your opening hand, named after a similar trap in rogue-likes Nuke - An effect that destroys a large amount of cards in play, wiping the board clean. Dark Hole is a monster nuke, Heavy Storm is a spell/Trap nuke. Exciton Knight and Black Rose Dragon are just Nukes Overextend - To play more monsters or spells than necessary, opening yourself to mass removal, when you cannot go for game or when you can already reasonably end the game with what you have. Piercing - Monsters with Piercing do damage to your opponents life points even when attacking a defense position monster (It's Trample) Recruiters - Monsters with the effect to summon other monsters directly from the Deck, such as Rescue Rabbit Searcher - Essentially 'Tutor' from M:TG, any card that allows you to search a card out of the deck, you must then reveal the card retrieved this way. Splash - This generally refers to how open a card is to being put into a given deck. Bottomless Trap Hole is open to every deck, while Last Chapter of the Noble Knights really only works for Noble Knights e.g. "You should probably splash in Bottomless Trap Hole and Torrential Tribute" Spin - To return a card to the top of the deck from the field Suicide - Also known as Ramming, it's to run a monster with less attack into a monster with higher attack, usually to get off a destruction based effect. E.G. Running Giant Rat into a monster to summon Super Heavyweight Samurai Big Benkei. Swarm - The process of rapidly summoning monsters to create a large field pressence. --- Notable Websites YGO Organization http://ygorganization.com/ The latest spoiler cards, the latest top decks from tournaments, and other TCG/OCG news Konami's official Website http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/ This has the latest on the Forbidden and Limited list (what cards you aren't allowed to play) very helpful to keep your eyes on. Pojo http://pojo.com/yu-gi-oh/ http://www.pojo.biz/board/forumdisplay.php?f=104 While Pojo is still filled with some pretty poo poo people and designed like complete garbage, it's also a good place to find Deck Guides and get analysis on what to do when starting your deck. Magic could definitly have something like the guides section to help new players building decks. Onmi fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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poorlywrittennovel posted:When I'm not phone posting I'm gonna have to show off Frog control. Unless you remember the decklist Onmi. That deck is stupid as hell and hilarious when it works right. I have unfortunately long lost the list for Frog control, just means rebuilding it will be fun. Especially since the rules of the game have changed slightly since you made Frog Control. I do wonder how it will stand up to the awesome might of Bearforce One. I right now am trying to see how Empowered Warriors does splashed into Noble Knights.
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Samael posted:I stopped playing when synchro monsters because I was fed up with needless mechanics in the game. I'm guessing it's the same for XYZ and pendulum? Good news for you Samael.   There is a lot of monarch/Tribute support, and it stops Extra Deck from working, so you don't have to play them.
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Samael posted:Sweeeet. Is there a list anywhere I can work off on? This might get me making a casual YGO deck again. Of course, Like I said Pojo has a bunch of guides for those looking to build in archetype The Monarch Strategy Guide http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=30505274#post30505274 The Genex Strategy Guide http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=841070 They will of course suggest putting Xyz into your extra deck because A. They're splashable in any deck and B. Monarchs can make them work. Also the guide doesn't mention the Monarch vassals  You can banish 1 Level 5 or higher monster from your Graveyard; Special Summon this card from your hand, but you cannot Special Summon monsters from your Extra Deck for the rest of this turn. If this card is Tributed for a Tribute Summon: You can reveal all Set cards your opponent controls. Your opponent cannot activate cards or effects in response to this effect's activation. You can only use each effect of "Lucius the Shadow Vassal" once per turn.  During your Main Phase: You can activate this effect; you cannot Special Summon monsters from your Extra Deck for the rest of this turn, also Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, Special Summon 1 "Vassal Token" (Thunder-Type/LIGHT/Level 1 /ATK 800/DEF 1000) to your opponent's side of the field in Defense Position. If this card is Tributed for a Tribute Summon: You can activate this effect; you can Tribute Summon 1 monster during your Main Phase this turn, in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.) You can only use each effect of "Mithra the Thunder Vassal" once per turn. There is one of each element and they're neat. Zoness posted:gently caress the pendulum zone. Lightsworn Dragons and Lightsworn Chaos are still very powerful deck types. Just linking the main lightswonrn guide http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1205940 EDIT: Just a reminder if you intend to play online with Goons, we typically play with this setting  Which allows cards from the OCG and TCG Onmi fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Cabinet posted:Who's hype for Worlds? I almost hope it ends as ridiculous as last Worlds. For those who don't know, about 20 minutes on game 1 as Infernity player tries to get his deck to go of. Game 2 lasted about a turn because Infernity got off that soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkQFDkYSlD0 Here is the video. This was still much better than the year previous which was RULERSRULERSRULERSRULERSprophecyRULERSRULERSRULERS
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paradoxGentleman posted:I would like to play with goons. How can I do that? Onmi posted:Okay, where can I play? There is a steam group for the ADTRW Goons who play called the Crow Hogan Fan Club at http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fuckcrow But download either or both of YGOPro and DevPro and then just say "Hey Goons, anyone up for a game." Someone will almost always be up for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUgsAjmKgQk DevPro in action, it also saves replays which are super useful I'll be uploading one of my duels vs Senerio's U.A. deck in the coming days, it's an amazing match and still one of the funnest I've had. If you can wave Senerio down for a match I recommend doing it. Onmi fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Jul 6, 2015 17:04
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paradoxGentleman posted:I already got DevPro, so I'm jumping in the group now. Woo-hoo! So now, once you've thrown your deck together, just ask for a game. If you can be done within the hour I'll give you a one on one. I do have to sleep soon because I have work tomorrow however... well... today.
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Jul 6, 2015 17:17
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Dexie posted:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant's_Throes To be fair just looking at Xyz they look dense as hell to digest. But people felt that way about Synchro's. Even though synchro's are "Can you do basic addition? Congrats. You can synchro summon." Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess I'll look into Pendulum Normals, I'm up for trying to play monsters with dumb flavour text. That's the deck editor for the program. Some videos take the time to scroll through each card one by one so you can pause and see which is which. Lisandra_brave posted:Because the assumption is that players should be sight familiar with 90% of cards. It's a little silly, but so it goes. Also this.
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Jul 6, 2015 23:22
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Zoness posted:I think initially the main thing I didn't immediately get about xyz is you place the material under the card and that the card cares what the material is and sometimes uses it. That's kind of an additional layer of complexity that synchros didn't have although I guess some synchron tuners tacked extra abilities on the synchros they made and they moved in that direction. Oh believe me, I was right on board with "I'm tilting out at Xyz" that most people had coming off 5Ds. But when I got to actually playing with them it just came naturally. They also confirm the full extra deck without needing to build around them. Excluding your Monarch builds which 9/10 times wont be summoning from the extra deck, but it's nice to have them there just in case. The main problem, to me at least, is with Synchro, Xyz and Fusion all doing pretty well, your extra deck space can get tiiiiight. It's only 15 cards. It's like crafting a Side Board for in the game.
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Jul 6, 2015 23:37
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Lisandra_brave posted:You know who's fault the extra limit is? I remember. When I played the game with physical cards it was around HERO time. I played for about 3 sets capping off at Power of the Duelist before the friend who I played with went full recluse and buried himself in WoW/Stopped coming to university.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:26
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Dabir posted:Possibly something to do with the Xyz materials not being on the field but also not being not on the field for effects that say "when <> leaves the field"? I should probably add that to General Q&A. Xyz material are not counted as leaving the field in the case of a card like Sangan. Who was actually banned before they clarified that rule. Now he's just banned because Banlists. The short of it is they basically enter the 'Xyz Material' Zone, which is not apart of the field as is recognized by the game state.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:36
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea just to be clear when I said 'I remember' I meant that was the last time I played as a kid, I haven't experienced these rules at all so for all I know this could be the smoothest possible way to summon but just reading it confused the poo poo out of my Magic playing rear end. So the shut under it is what you sacrifice to make the card, but that poo poo stays in game as stuff that makes limited resources for what the card can do? Yup. watching it done in the anime makes it pretty clear (if a bit fanciful) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aa0Om90-Q4&t=1207
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Jul 7, 2015 01:10
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Tyrant's Throes does look wonderfully oppressive, I remember how miserable anti-summoning floodgates can be. Is Rescue Rabbit->those rank 4 dinosaurs still a good enough thing to be doing? They seem good if the gameplan is to try and lock the opponent out. Also is Heart of the Underdog actually fast enough to work in the current game? Heart of the Underdog is for a very specific type of deck. But it's usually considered far too slow to be of any real use to just a normal deck. After all, why run 3 Heart of the Underdog if you can just run 3 Upstart Goblin and have an effective deck-size of 37? EDIT: Take Lis's advice, she's better at this than I am. Onmi fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Blaze Dragon posted:Man, I haven't played YGO in a while. University's kept me busy and I haven't even started on my worst idea (a Yuma deck. As in, not a deck made of Yuma's cards, a deck centered exclusively on cards that show Yuma himself. Namely, Hope Zexal, the Winning Formula/Creator of Hope/Creator of Miracles trio, Kattobingu Challenge). Also I want to remake Superheavy Samurai (because I deleted my old deck by mistake and either way there's new support and my deck wasn't very good) and Red-Eyes (because there's a lot more of support and I still love that thing), but ugh, lots of stuff to do and I'm bad at deck building. you have betrayed your roots as a member of Team Fusion. Please subject yourself to Frightfur based torture.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Speaking of rank 4 spam is there a good guide to staple XYZs anywhere? Thanks for the advice re: pendulum normals, I've got a sortof list together. Depending on your Rank, the staple Xyzs change. But a good recommended list is Castel the Skyblaster Musketeer - That's a nice monster you got there, would be a shame if something were to happen to it Number 101: Silent Honor ARK Knight - I protect myself and steal your hard earned monsters for my own material. Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon - That Boss monster is SUPER strong. so I'll take half its attack and add it to my own. Gagaga Cowboy - Man all that work and you survived with just 800 LP. Main Phase 2, Gagaga Cowboy, I burn you for 800. Ragnazero - I can't deal with all your pump. Except by saccing your monster even on your turn. Daigusto Emeral - "I return 3 Normal Monsters from my gave to my deck and draw a card." Alternatively "I just straight up revive a normal monster." Heartlandraco - Similar vein to Cowboy. "Okay you have 2000 LP left and a wall of monsters. Heartlandraco I attack you directly for 2000 I win." Exciton Knight - "Man you really do have the hand advantage and the field advantage don't you? I reset the game to 0 excluding my Exciton Knight. If you attack me with a larger field than me I just do it again. For Pendulum Normal specifically you want the Evolsaurs. But those are what I think of when "You should probably absolutely run these" Staples in Yu-Gi-Oh are weird because like... Lavalval Chain is a staple in Infernity and any deck where Graveyard matters (most) but it's like "If you don't plus off that you're not going into him." Experiment. It's like building the side deck, you're building a 15 card deck of answers that you can summon.
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Lisandra_brave posted:Ehhhhhhh. DRXD isn't that great, because most people aren't going to leave big things on field to get hit. Ragna isn't that good this format, but was baller as gently caress when fire fists were everywhere. Daigusto is useful, but when extra space is tight, he's one of the first to go. Heartland is good in some situations, but in general, he's going to get passed up. I was mostly suggesting 1-card staples. not combo staples like Utopia>Lightning or Cyber Dragon Go gently caress Yourself. EDIT: so lets go over why Cyber Dragon Infinity is such a hateful card quote:3 Level 6 LIGHT Machine-Type monsters That's not too bad, it's got a hard summoning condition. quote:You can also Xyz Summon "Cyber Dragon Infinity" once per turn by using a "Cyber Dragon Nova" you control as the Xyz Material. (Xyz Materials attached to that monster also become Xyz Materials on this card.) completely invalidated by the ease in which CyDra Nova is gotten out. Still, it's fine for Cydragons and not much else. quote:This card gains 200 ATK for each Xyz Material attached to it. Beefy quote:Once per turn: You can target 1 other face-up Attack Position monster on the field; attach it to this card as a face-up Xyz Material. so it SHArks one of my guys every turn, and gets bigger from it. Uhhhh quote:Once per turn, during either player's turn, when a card or effect is activated: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy it. Oh, and it just flat out says "No" to whatever I want to do. Bullshit. But it's bullshit that's exclusive to Cyberdragons and- what's that? Tellarknight Ptolemaeus? The gently caress is that? quote:2 or more Level 4 monsters ...Oh. So any deck that can get out 3 Level 4 monsters has access to Cyber Dragon Nova, and thus Infinity. That's okay that's only... every deck in existence worth a drat! And several not worth any damns! Onmi fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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I think what we're trying to say is it really does depend on where you want your deck to go. It's the Heartlandraco vs Gagaga Cowboy argument. Running both is kind of pointless, because you only have 15 cards. So you have to find out what's more likely for your deck, playing a big pay and the opponent being low on life so you can snap them in the face with Gagaga. OR are you going to whittle them down to 2000 LP left in your MP1 for Draco to attack in? A lot of people swear by Abyss Dweller but I rarely find a use for him.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Cool, thanks. I'm going for the dino/normal pendulum idea so a bunch of my slots are taken up by First, Evolzars and Emeral. Any advice on generic rank 6s to go alongside Solda? Number 39 - Utopia Beyond. It drops all enemy attack to 0 when it comes in. Something I did not mention is when two attack monsters clash, the one with the lower attack is destroyed and the difference is dealt as life damage to the player whos monster was destroyed. Similarly if you attack a defense mode monster and your attack is lower, you take the difference in life point damage. Your monster isn't destroyed though. Photon Strike Bounzer - Just good for stifling your opponent and making them play around him. Constellar Ptolmey M7 - It bounces a card on the field or returns a key card from the grave to the hand. NOTE: Extra deck monsters 'Returned to the Hand' return to the extra deck. Gauntlet Launcher - "I detach 1 to blow your monster, now I detach another one because this isn't a Once Per Turn effect. You're down 2 monsters. Open field." Good for destruction when you need it. These are of course not the ONLY Rank 6's that are good, always consult the cards for your personal play style. For the record I am home now and ready to play on either DevPro or YGOPro EDIT: I'll go fix that, thank you for the correction! Onmi fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 06:35
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Koguma posted:Oh neato. I wasn't sure if this was actually a thing but I guess it is Normal Pendulum really gave a new lease of life to the Normal monster. That and First of the Dragon.
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Jul 7, 2015 12:28
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Zoness posted:I found the ygopro app and I've been jamming Burning Abyss Lightsworns (for novelty's sake) against the AI and it's sweet but I think I'm goofing up some lines to get Michael out properly. The daddy rulers are banned because they were utterly broken. Lis plays Lightsworn though so I'd ask her. And yes, Burning Abyss is pretty much defined as "Everything loving floats. You will never be rid of me, because everything loving floats It's why Abyssworn is so powerful. EDIT: Yu-Gi-Oh Lingo. To 'Float' means to enter the graveyard and trigger an effect, effectively making it a + for the card to enter the grave. Burning Abyss doesn't just have effects on the field, they also trigger effects in the graveyard, hence, it's not a setback if your Dante dies, as he and his material will all trigger effects.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:57
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So what is the consensus on the new Red Eyes support? I'm looking for a new deck to play aside of trusty Noble Knights but I can't decide between Red Eyes or Toons. It's bonkers good. Also Dark, since you're the other NK player, I was hoping you could also test to see how Empowered Warrior Dragodeus and Dragonox do in the NK deck. Because in theory they should be very splashable. Warriors, level 4, Light/Dark. Their monster effects search/revive 2000 attack or less Warrior/Spellcasters (They entire deck besides lady of the lake) and their Pendulum Effects can protect the battle phase/open offensive plays. Though downside it's a discard effect for Dragodeus. Anyway I've been trying to make them work I was wondering if you had any ideas. This is the bad skeleton I've made 
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Yu-Gi-Oh Lingo list - (To be added to the OP) Note: Some of these are not standard, and are used by me personally and others I play with, others are more general terms that wont actually be used in conversation. Beatstick - A monster with high damage output. Usually the easiest to summon for no other reason than to punch faces. Cyber Dragon was one of the best Beatsticks at 2100 attack and an easy summon condition. e.g. "Your deck could use a Beatstick." BKSS - "Because Konami Said So" You must follow Konami's rulings on a card even if it contradicts the text on the card because Konami said so. The most famous example of this was Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster who originally printed with this text Pretty straight forward? Actually no. Because Rampart Blaster can only use that effect if your opponent has no monsters on the field. Even though the effect is useless in that case. Does this make sense with the text on the card? No. But it's the rules Because Konami Said So. They did later errata the card to make more sense. But it's still a famous case Bricked - To draw into a completely unusable hand e.g. "I've bricked" Bounce - To Bounce is to return something to the hand after it has hit the field. e.g. "I bounce your monster with Compulsory Evacuation Device" Cookie Cutter - To have a deck made almost entirely of staples with very little variance. The most basic kind of deck Cycling - When a card replaces itself for a +0 effect. Upstart Goblin is a good Cycling card, as it draws a single card, gives the opponent 1000 life, and then enters the grave. In short, it effectively makes your deck -1 in total size Deck Fattener - The opposite of Deck thinning, to fatten a deck means to add cards back to it, such as with the ability of Noble Knight Brothers Deck Thinner - Any effect that reduces the number of cards in your deck, either via adding those cards to your hand, sending them to the graveyard, or summoning them to the field. Engine - these are a collection of cards that work well together, but which do not form their own deck. Such as the Machina Engine of Machina Gearframe and Machina Fortress. Engines tend to be able to enter mutliple decks and support them. Float/Floater - A floater is officially a monster card that replaces itself in some way. Not necessarily by hitting the graveyard. To Float, is the act of that effect being triggered Floodgate - This is a card that limits one or both players plays. For example, Skill Drain and Vanity's Emptiness do not stop you from playing cards, but effects wont trigger and monsters cannot be special summoned. Hand Trap - This is a type of card that is kept in the hand but is played like a trap card would be. For example Effect Veiler to negate an opponents effect. Or Swift Scarecrow to end the battle phase immediatly. Limbo - the state of a Monster before it has entered play officially, during the time where it can be negated by a card like Solemn Warning, but before its effects will trigger. Also the state of Xyz material, they do not count as "Leaving the field" when used as an Xyz summon, or when sent to the grave either from the cost of an Xyz monsters ability, or the Xyz monsters destruction. Monster House - a variant of a Brick, to draw into nothing but monsters in your opening hand, named after a similar trap in rogue-likes Nuke - An effect that destroys a large amount of cards in play, wiping the board clean. Dark Hole is a monster nuke, Heavy Storm is a spell/Trap nuke. Exciton Knight and Black Rose Dragon are just Nukes Overextend - To play more monsters or spells than necessary, opening yourself to mass removal, when you cannot go for game or when you can already reasonably end the game with what you have. Recruiters - Monsters with the effect to summon other monsters directly from the Deck, such as Rescue Rabbit Searcher - Essentially 'Tutor' from M:TG, any card that allows you to search a card out of the deck, you must then reveal the card retrieved this way. Splash - This generally refers to how open a card is to being put into a given deck. Bottomless Trap Hole is open to every deck, while Last Chapter of the Noble Knights really only works for Noble Knights e.g. "You should probably splash in Bottomless Trap Hole and Torrential Tribute" Spin - To return a card to the top of the deck from the field Suicide - Also known as Ramming, it's to run a monster with less attack into a monster with higher attack, usually to get off a destruction based effect. E.G. Running Giant Rat into a monster to summon Super Heavyweight Samurai Big Benkei. Swarm - The process of rapidly summoning monsters to create a large field pressence. I may be missing some, but this seems pretty comprehensive.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So I got the online thing and I just have no idea what I'm doing (though kudos to the system for having a really easily searchable library so at least I'm not completely floating in the deep end). I tried to build a super hero themed deck because why not and the AI murdered me in like a turn. Like literally turn one the AI went first, it put down like four cards and did the XYZ (I think) summon thing for a black card that had a ton of stat advantage and I was just all 'uh ok computer I guess you win this round'. I tried to go for a tempo kinda deck based around that trap that summons more low rank heroes when your hero dies and equipment and all but...yea there's no way for that to counter the AI just waving it's cyber balls in my face and dumping nearly all its hand to summon Face Fucker 9000. Can you post your deck list? It's worth noting that you're attempting to play a very slow deck, and the AI decks are typically based on meta decks or powerful archetypes (and for some dumb reason the old starter decks) Here is an example of my Hero deck  Monsters 3 Elemental Hero Neos Alius (A Beatstick, brings Light to the table) 3 Goblindbergh (Allows you to get another monster onto field for an Xyz, or to get off Shadowmists effect) 2 Blazeman (Searches Polymerization, allows you to dump Shadowmist into the Grave, thinning the deck and putting another E-Hero into hand) 3 Shadowmist (The Decks core. Shadowmist when Special Summoned can grab a 'Mask Change' spell from the deck. When sent to the grave, it grabs a hero from the deck. It can only use one of these effects per turn. But an example play is using Goblindbergh to summon Shadowmist, Grabbing Mask Change, setting it, then on your opponents turn, using Mask Change to turn Shadowmist into Dark Law, searching a monster from your deck for more fun.) 2 Summoner Monk (Grabs Shadowmist from the deck) 3 Bubbleman (Can be used for Xyz, gives you water for fusions, rarely gets off its +2 ability) Spells 3 A Hero Lives (A wonderful Turn 1 card. the lifepoint halfing thing wont matter because of the strength of Heroes 1 Raigeki (Staple) 2 Polymerization (Targets for Blazeman) 3 Reinforcement of the Army (Searches out warriors, all deck besides Summoner Monk is warriors) 2 Miracle Fusion (Lets you fuse Heroes in the graveyard) 1 Mask Charge (Retrieval Card, this is a personal tech) 1 Book of Moon (Staple card, good for getting through troublesom situations) 3 Mask Change (The bread and butter of Heroes now, gives access to the Masked Heroes) 1 Form Change (Tech, isn't necessary) 2 Mask Change 2 (Allows Goblindbergh to go into Dian, so if you have a Mask Change in hand with Goblindbergh and Shadowmist. You can summon Goblindbergh to summon Shadowmist, grab a Mask Change II, Then on your opponents turn, change them both into Dark Law and Dian. Traps 1 Bottomless Trap Hole (Staple removal) 1 Crush Card Virus (works with Shadowmist, lets you utterly ruin high attack decks) 1 Ring of Destruction (Staple Removal) 1 Compulsory Evacuation Device (Staple Removal, bounces Xyz back to the extra deck, making them go 1 for 3 (Material and monster)) 1 Solemn Warning (No, you do not get to summon.) Extra Deck Contrast Hero Chaos (Mostly target for Miracle Fusion) Masked Hero Dian (Target for Goblindbergh, Draws when it destroys a monster.) Vision Hero Adoration (Fucks with your opponents attack, powerful regardless) Masked Hero Anki (For when you already have Dark Law out) Elemental Hero The Shining (gains power for however many Heroes are RFP. Miracle fusion RFPs heroes in the graveyard. The math can be done.) Masked Hero Acid (Blows up the back row, lowers attack, combos ridiculously well with Absolute Zero) Elemental Hero Escurido (Dark Fusion, gains attack for Heroes in the grave. May be a Non-bo with The Shining but that's the joy of the extra deck, you don't have to have both out at once.) Elemental Hero Absolute Zero (You do not care about 500 attack per water monster. You care about "When this card leaves the field destroy all of your opponents monsters." Read Mask Change, Read Acid, Put this in your deck) Masked Hero Koga (For Alius, can be super strong and like Adoration drop enemy attack) 2 Masked Hero Dark Law (So important he's in twice. He stops your opponent from gaining cards outside their draw phase, and makes everything that goes to their graveyard be RFP instead, killing basically every deck that uses the graveyard dead.) Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon (I've mentioned his stapleness before) Castel the Skyblaster Musketeer (Bounces a monster) Evilswarm Exciton Knight (Nukes the field when your disadvantaged) Lavalval Chain (When you need a hero in hand, dump Shadowmist to the grave, when you need a monster for Miracle fusion, dump it. Lavalval Chain is very good at setting up your plays.) Onmi fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I came up with a Dino-Normals list. It is capable of some pretty ridiculous starts, but it's pretty all-in on slamming an Evolzar quickly and from my AI testing I've found it will rapidly hemorrhage value against the good archetype decks if it can't shut them down. A real backrow would help the gameplan out, but at the same time a critical mass of monsters is so important to this deck (I need to spend 2 setting up my pendulum zones, then I need at least 2 more to actually do anything meaningful with them) that I think I have very few potential reactive slots. Igknights are very fun, but yes you'll find that especially against Nekroz, Qli and Shaddolls (meta decks) that you'll need to move fast and hard. As the OP mentioned. Yugioh is a very fast paced game. And building a deck to minimize your chances of drawing poorly is key. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHI1jW7ou10 Here's an Igknight playthrough
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Having 6 spells that tutor either end of the pendulum scale has already made it feel a lot better. Now they just need to make a low-scale dinosaur Be sure to post your deck list, it makes it much easier to help with and in general I've never met a player on here who didn't want to see and/or help with a YGO deck.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:For the first time in years I'm regretting quitting YGO.  I have you now Oops  You lose one turn
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So I'm thinking in honor of the new thread, and to give our new players a chance to build up their decks, On Saturday the 11th at 00:30 UTC. We can hold a small set of duels. Bring your decks, try them against the others. Duels will be organized in the SA Steam chat, located at http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fuckcrow I hope to see you all then
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Senerio posted:I'm in. I'll stream my matches. So for the new players who don't know what Senerio is referring to, this list does absolutely nothing to hit Satellarknights who ARG just got stock of. Why is this notable to both of us? Well the simple version of it is that Satellarknights are what we refer to as a 'Helmet' deck. Which can also be called "Dumb" decks, the play is so easy that even an idiot can do them. Bujin's I think coined the term because Yamato looks like he's wearing a helmet and the entire duel is "I summon Yamato and sit on his rear end until I win. This took skill right? Right?" Satellarknights is one of the most braindead archetypes in Yu-Gi-Oh. The three key cards all have the ability "When this card is summoned do X" where X is a variety of abilties that are utterly bullshit. See the main reason for their helmet-ness is that there's no clause on "Only normal/special summon" so you'd hit 3 knights on field on basically turn 1, opening up going into Satellarknight Delteros, if they wanted to pop a card of yours, or Ptolemaios if they just want to go into Cyber Dragon Infinity. Oh and if Delteros dies, it special summons a Tellarknight from your hand or deck. So they just keep looping. Some decks are powerful and need a good pilot to do well. Satellarknights are just dumb powerful. They probably wont top. But they make anything less than the top a pain to run.
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Cabinet posted:Yeah, ARG had a chance to show what a good banlist would look like but it seems like it was super kneejerky and they're propping up their own tastes in decks. No this is because the person in charge of the banlist in America right now is in fact the same man who was in charge of it when Upper Deck ran the game in America. If you don't know why that's loving retarded http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_v._Upper_Deck In fact, Upper Deck was convinced they could run the game better than Konami, that's what led to the TCG exclusive cards I believe
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Zoness posted:Oh yeah I read that about Burning Abyss somewhere I was under the impression that upper deck made cards that never showed up in OCG or something v I wasn't playing in that era so I wouldn't be able to say unfortunately.
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ThermoPhysical posted:This is basically the reason why the TCG sucks so hard right now. However, for all the poo poo I give Tewart (and he deserves it), Upper Deck themselves has actually done a few noteworthy things. The biggest is forcing Konami to release the game to the rest of the world in the first place. At least according to Tewart, Konami was never planning on releasing Yu-Gi-Oh! outside of Japan until Upper Deck pushed and pleaded. That's his name. Yeah Tewarts and egomaniacal poo poo and the game is worse off with him managing the banlist, which is well overdue for an update. Not to mention hitting the stupidest things along with the actual smart things to hit. Dexie posted:Seconding and thirding this. The more I look at this banlist, the more it confuses me. Wind-Up is someones pet-deck, that will always explain everything about a banlist. Senerio posted:UA are my favorite archetype. They all have the shared effect "You can special summon this card (from your hand) by returning one U.A. on the field with a different name to your hand. You can only summon U.A. Whatever my name is once per turn this way." And their one equip is better than pretty much ever NK equip put together. Which does make me sad, NKs are one of my favourite archetypes but ultimately its cardinal sin is being balanced. Yugioh is not a balanced game. So a Balanced archetype is just never going to do it. Irony Be My Shield posted:That ban list led me to look up the Blue-Blooded Oni FTK, and I have to say: Pet deck. Also yeah sometimes the insanity of Yugioh combo is enough to drive a mortal man crazy. Onmi fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I disagree, the Jersey doesn't has poo poo on Excaliburn nor Gwenwhyfar. Ultimately, the true power of the Noble Knights lie within the equips and no the monster themselves, the only thing we need is a tutor for equips. But they can Tutor their jersey, And it doesn't so much matter that it doesn't protect since UA has a lot of protection, and there's no downside to the card. Its very hard to argue with a tutored 1000 A/D Double Strike that comes back to hand. And, most importantly, It's one S/T slot. Noble Knights need to take up their 5 slots for their equips. And look, I love NKs, I run them, but I'd trade pretty much all but Gwen for Jersey. Cabinet posted:The problem with NobKni is they have only one real play and if you don't get that off you're hosed. I haven't really played with them but playing against them is boring when you know how to counter. This isn't true. But 90% of people know "Medraut.play" and nothing else.
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 My duel with Senerio of NKs vs U.A.s recorded at glorious 60 FPS (for an 8gb video file because I don't know what I'm doing) with no sound (because I don't know what I'm doing) is going to be a while. I'll just re-encode it to be much faster to upload. I very much suggest watching it if you're interested in seeing a mostly competent NK deck vs a competent U.A. deck. I will always put this down as one of the best duels I've ever had, hard hitting every step of the way with very few misplays for both of us. Minus that forbidden chalice mess. Just an absolutely amazing duel. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Then you haven't played with good Noble Knight players. A king.dek is the worst thing you can do with them Well no, and I try not to slam all my arms on the one NK, my favourite play is Borz/Brothers/Drystan. But I never feel like I'm running the right protection. Onmi fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 05:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W2wtBc6Ls4 Welp here it is, There's no soundeffects, they didn't come out right and I wasn't going to record it again. Also I uploaded it with the vocal track when I meant the non-vocal. Don't care anymore, forever upset I couldn't get We Will Rock You to fit. Onmi fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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So just to confirm because UTC is a weird thing to time people on. The "Come one, Come all, bring your decks to the Steam chat and duel people" thing is in 10 hours I'll go update the OP with that.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:How? The Jersey can't get past Destiny, and Mighty Slugger is only UA that can overcome Gwen in battle phase. Mostly because we're not comparing the deck in versus to each other, but in versus to everything else. And in general, one would take a 1000/1000 boost with no downsides and a second attack over the more specific but less overall strong effects of the Noble Arms. And for U.A.s the Jersey does more for them as an equip than the spread around Arms do. And I do agree that NKs really just needed a proper Arms tutor, but that still doesn't change I'd take a Jersey over.... Gallatin or Alondite. Destiny, Caliburn, Gwen and Excaliburn are all fine... though the last has the problem of "Too balanced" in a world of busted arms. EDIT: Lis made some support cards I loved.   Meliagrant especially would just... be everything the deck needs Onmi fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 16:14
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Zoness posted:drat it why do you do this while my friend's trying to get me to play PoE :\. Assault Halberdier can tutor itself and it can special summon, which lets it work as Xyz material with Bubbleman. Absurdly aggressive with AHL. In Yugioh you absolutely only care about having enough life left to trigger your abilities. Burn does not exist like it does in magic.so there's no fear of commiting life to board only to get bolted out of nowhere. EDIT: As for Mask Change, you should do it on their turn just to get off Shadowmists Graveyard ability. But, in the case of "When do I" it all depends, you can use Mask Change to dodge targeted destruction or bounced effects, at the same time if it's something like Burning Abyss who needs the grave to go off, you go in ASAP and laugh.
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Dabir posted:Pendulum spellcasters are disgusting. Majispecters / Spellbooks / Dragodeus / Eccentric Archfiend made mincemeat out of me. Don't forget the Pendulum Magicians.
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Dabir posted:Nope, not a one. That's something that demands its own deck I think, they wouldn't have done much for this guy. Oh you mean the Deck TYPE of Pendulum Spellcasters.... huh, I didn't think that would be a thing.
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