|
tirinal posted:It's technically F2P, but it's not like this is some glorious new alternative to the box price model of years past. That math is incorrect. ~70 boosters. 150 gold per booster. 200 gold cap + 20 gold for first win + 40 gold for daily quest = 260 gold per day. 40 days to unlock everything. Now, keep in mind that unless you're incredibly unlucky, you will be able to make many decks you want before unlocking literally every card, as the game of Magic has five colors. 40 days to unlock the entire set without paying a dime, and 2 months to play with that set until the next one comes out. I'm not defending Wizards lying, but 40 days to unlock every single card well ahead of the next expansion seems generous, especially by WOTC standards. It could have been MUCH worse.  I'll reserve judgement until the game is out (hopefully Wednesday!)
|
#
?
Jul 13, 2015 18:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 3, 2024 09:30 |
|
|
Well, to be fair, it will only take 0 days to unlock everything if the steam version has client side saves at launch.
|
|
#
?
Jul 13, 2015 18:54
|
|
|
precision posted:edit: ^^^^ You expected them to launch Origins with a thousand cards or something? They need to see if this model makes money first, and if it does, I'm sure they'll throw as many cards as they can into it. Also, while the fact that they lied about the daily gold cap sucks, it looks like it will take around 30-40 days of hitting the gold cap to unlock every card. That seems perfectly reasonable to me, considering Hearthstone could take you 6 months to even get your first Legendary. How is this game not "true" F2P? No, I expected them to launch it with the cards in Origins that actually work in Duels. That's really not asking much at all. There's no reason that the spell I described cannot be in. Cards like the 2R 3/2 Goblin with intimidate are also not in. It's maybe fifteen total cards that I'm talking about. The Human Crouton posted:I actually expected it to launch with every card from the Origins set, but it appears they are taking out some of the more complex cards. This is very confusing to me because I thought the Origins set was designed to be used in this game. There are some cards that legitimately won't work in the Duels format, EG: creatures that tap for mana because there is no mana pool. There are plenty of simple cards they didn't put in, like the goblin example, I understand that they're not going to put cards like Starfield of Nyx in duels. WarEternal fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 13, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 13, 2015 18:54
|
|
|
WarEternal posted:No, I expected them to launch it with the cards in Origins that actually work in Duels. That's really not asking much at all. There's no reason that the spell I described cannot be in. Cards like the 2R 3/2 Goblin with intimidate are also not in. It's maybe fifteen total cards that I'm talking about. That's fair, but you did notice that those "missing" cards have been augmented by cards from sets other than Origins, right? In Black alone I'm seeing: Gurmag Swiftwing Scarred Vinebreeder Bloodflow Connosseuir Lys Alana Scarblade Bitter Revelation Gravedigger Necromantic Thirst Dreg Reaver Nightfire Giant Rise From the Grave I'm perfectly OK with them cutting some Origins cards for those, since most of those are Pretty Cool Cards. In fact if the game simply had every Origins card and nothing else, I would be put off.
|
|
#
?
Jul 13, 2015 19:09
|
|
|
So I haven't been able to connect to the server today. Apparently if you can't connect to the server then your single player progress cannot be saved so uh, be aware of that when doing the pain in the rear end story matches.
|
|
#
?
Jul 13, 2015 21:24
|
|
|
Jibo posted:So I haven't been able to connect to the server today. Apparently if you can't connect to the server then your single player progress cannot be saved so uh, be aware of that when doing the pain in the rear end story matches. After people being unable to earn gold for days, WotC pulled all the servers for over 24 hours. They just went up again. Naturally, people are still unable to earn gold. It looks like the downtime was just Wizards deciding that an iOS game needs downtime. I'm actually getting more entertainment out of watching this game fail than I ever would have had it succeeded, so I suppose this is a token victory.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 03:10
|
|
|
This could have been a good game. I don't have any real complaints though, as the game instantly crashes when I try to launch it on my phone.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 03:16
|
|
|
I don't understand why Stainless is in charge of Duels again despite every single iteration being riddled with bugs and just overall poorly coded.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 03:18
|
|
|
There was a maintenance, game's back, people are still capped on gold. Anyone wanna take bets against the gold cap being all-time, and not daily, intentionally? 
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:14
|
|
|
WOTC have lied, but there's no way they'd lie to that extent. Their whole PR push has been "this is a truly F2P game, you never have to spend real money". My guess is more along the lines of "Stainless don't know poo poo about iOS", it's always the version with the most bugs and this particular version was intended to be "future proof" so that people don't have to download a new program every year. Which means they probably bloated it with all kinds of lovely optimization. If you've been watching the Steam streams, the game appears perfectly functional on there.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 14:37
|
|
|
Is this coming out tomorrow on Steam? I find it weird that there is no news about it anywhere except for reviews of the ios version, which seem to be either really amazing, or really lovely. Something tells me this will not end well.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 18:09
|
|
|
Also the community quest is complete but not triggering the reward and expires in a little over a day. Good job Stainless.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 18:34
|
|
|
The iOS requirements for this are just absurd. The LOWEST level device it'll run on is a 5S, iPad Mini 2 or iPad Air (so A8 processor). Really? REALLY? I mean, I can run it cause I have a Mini 3 and 5S (though why I'd play this on my iPhone, I don't know). To put it in perspective, Hearthstone can run on a 4S, iPod Touch 5 and iPad 2 (A5). Granted, its rare that the A5 is still supported by a lot of apps, but for the BIG ones its expected. You've got to have some pretty awful or lazy programmers for your app to only run on devices that are 2 years old. Going by reviews, its even unstable on anything older than an Air 2 or iPhone 6. Snuffman fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jul 14, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 19:11
|
|
|
imatree posted:Is this coming out tomorrow on Steam? I find it weird that there is no news about it anywhere except for reviews of the ios version, which seem to be either really amazing, or really lovely. No, this is actually what happens every year. I'm not sure Wizards have directly given a concrete release date for Duels ever. The release date is usually discovered on some obscure gaming news site that forgot to keep quiet. This year, a pulled article said 8th for iOS, 15th for Steam, same as last year (one week head start on iOS). Reviewers have been playing the game all week on Steam, so a tomorrow release is pretty likely.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 19:23
|
|
|
gently caress, I play DotP 2013/14 on my ipad all the time. I can't even play this lovely release without an upgrade. It's really hard to believe a tabletop card game could be that demanding from a programming perspective. Maybe every letter of every word on every card is its own object.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 19:27
|
|
|
What I don't understand is how some of these bugs even got close to making it to the release. I can make a custom black/red deck and win a match but I get no credit for it on my quest which clearly says win duels with a black/red deck. For something so basic to make it through I can only assume they did absolutely no QA testing whatsoever. It's really pathetic but I hope the Steam version magically doesn't suffer the same bugs cause I would love to play this.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 23:41
|
|
|
Yeah, I tried playing the ios version but it's utter poo poo. Hopefully the Steam version is better. I don't really care about the gold cap, but all those bugs and the ui being such poo poo with a touch screen is what makes me want to throw my phone out the window, and I like my phone.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 23:59
|
|
|
Sad times  https://twitter.com/Wizards_MagicEU/status/621295026946109440
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 14:38
|
|
|
Holy poo poo they are so bad at this its ridiculous
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 19:35
|
|
|
Am I right in thinking that there's no way to acquire a specific card other than buying packs and hoping you get lucky? That seems like a really critical difference between Hearthstone and this, and, indeed, between this and real Magic where you can trade for the cards you want or just buy them outright. I'd guess there's a big psychological difference between saving up dust for a Doctor Boom and grinding gold for a low-probability chance at whatever his mythic equivalent turns out to be.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 20:52
|
|
|
WOTC: If we don't announce anything, we never have to push it back!
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 21:38
|
|
|
vegetables posted:Am I right in thinking that there's no way to acquire a specific card other than buying packs and hoping you get lucky? That seems like a really critical difference between Hearthstone and this, and, indeed, between this and real Magic where you can trade for the cards you want or just buy them outright. I'd guess there's a big psychological difference between saving up dust for a Doctor Boom and grinding gold for a low-probability chance at whatever his mythic equivalent turns out to be. Except you can't open duplicate cards past what you can use and you're guaranteed to get whatever card you want within 70 packs. In comparison, if you dust every single card you open including any legendaries in Hearthstone, you're guaranteed to get the single card you want after 16 packs. I don't like what Wizards is doing and won't be playing this, but the model is by far more fair than Hearthstone's. They're not really comparable anyway, imo.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 21:46
|
|
|
Yeah this is just a goddamn shitshow now. Good thing Card Hunter got added to Steam, I'm having fun getting back into that.
|
|
#
?
Jul 15, 2015 21:49
|
|
|
They doubled gold cap to 400 and gave everyone 400 gold coins, if you've played it. They also officially announced the release date for the Steam version as "before the end of July"
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 02:35
|
|
|
precision posted:Yeah this is just a goddamn shitshow now. I was all excited for this because I stopped playing Card Hunter forever ago when my desktop computer broke because I can't see poo poo on the TV my HTPC is hooked up to in the browser based game. Except it seems like it's pretty much just running the browser game and there's no resolution or text size options available so I still can't play it. Minrad posted:They doubled gold cap to 400 and gave everyone 400 gold coins, if you've played it. This is great news. Almost three packs worth of gold and a daily cap that will require poopsocking to reach.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 02:52
|
|
|
Minrad posted:They doubled gold cap to 400 and gave everyone 400 gold coins, if you've played it. That's certainly a release date.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 09:15
|
|
|
precision posted:
Checked this out based on the talk in this thread and it does seem quite good, Give it a try if you are looking for a digital tcg to play and don't like hearthstones simplicity/rng focus.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 11:04
|
|
|
Phrosphor posted:Checked this out based on the talk in this thread and it does seem quite good, Give it a try if you are looking for a digital tcg to play and don't like hearthstones simplicity/rng focus. Yeah I've been playing it since somebody mentioned it earlier and it owns. I don't know how bad the f2p part will get but it seems pretty generous so far.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 12:11
|
|
|
Jibo posted:This is great news. Almost three packs worth of gold and a daily cap that will require poopsocking to reach. Yeah, it's much much better. I had the same thought. 400 is reasonable because you can't really be expected to reach that per day anyway. If they continue to make positive steps the game could have a chance.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 14:16
|
|
|
400 gold cap that doesn't take into account Quests (so the gold cap is more like 450-500 a day) is a pretty drat good way to say "We're sorry we're so loving incompetent". Some articles said that they were planning on releasing Origins this weekend after the paper set launch, but I'm done speculating, WOTC gonna WOTC.
|
|
#
?
Jul 16, 2015 14:21
|
|
|
Minrad posted:They doubled gold cap to 400 and gave everyone 400 gold coins, if you've played it. "When we fix the bug that stops it from crashing every 5 minutes"
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 01:22
|
|
|
Pawn 17 posted:"When we fix the bug that stops it from crashing every 5 minutes" The game is actually very stable on Steam. The guy that's been streaming it has archived his streams if you check his channel. Either they never planned on releasing it this week at all (doubtful) or they are making sure the gold and quest systems are unfucked.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 01:30
|
|
|
So, uh, is it me or did they fix the lack of gold rewards from wins only to break the gold rewards from daily firsts?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 05:39
|
|
|
tirinal posted:So, uh, is it me or did they fix the lack of gold rewards from wins only to break the gold rewards from daily firsts? I have a feeling this game is spaghetti coded as hell. Really bad sign for a game that is supposed to be expanded upon indefinitely.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 05:50
|
|
|
The Human Crouton posted:I have a feeling this game is spaghetti coded as hell. Really bad sign for a game that is supposed to be expanded upon indefinitely. Well, I'm having 'searching for other players' go on indefinitely without finding anyone in a game a week old, so I guess it won't matter long.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 05:56
|
|
|
The Human Crouton posted:I have a feeling this game is spaghetti coded as hell. Really bad sign for a game that is supposed to be expanded upon indefinitely. Worked for MTGO
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 07:06
|
|
|
Andrast posted:Worked for MTGO Did it?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 07:08
|
|
|
Come on wizards, I just want to play your dumb game. I know it's going to be bad for me in multiple ways. Also the developement of MTGO has been an amazing shitshow for the entirety of its existence. It's like they hired writers from WWE to manage the project.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 12:36
|
|
|
StoryTime posted:Come on wizards, I just want to play your dumb game. I know it's going to be bad for me in multiple ways. I don't know, WWE writers sometimes accidentally do something that works.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 12:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 3, 2024 09:30 |
|
|
The Human Crouton posted:Did it? also worked for Hearthstone hell it's probably the biggest card game worldwide right now. a game where one of the most important class cards in the game didn't work properly for a span of like... six months.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2015 15:16
|
|