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Vaginapocalypse posted:lol do any of you actually remember what happened in the Belgian Congo? Newt Gingrich does, and he thinks it was just great.
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kapparomeo posted:European imperialists did the same thing too. Weird how we don't get any praise for it though. European imperialists only built roads and railways that went from the resource extraction point to the nearest sea port. Vaginapocalypse posted:lol do any of you actually remember what happened in the Belgian Congo? Yes it was a genocide worse than the holocaust, but the belgians didn't kill any white people thus nobody cares. They even have statues of king Leo up in Belgium, to celebrate the helping hands he gave to making Belgium rich.
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kapparomeo posted:European imperialists did the same thing too. Weird how we don't get any praise for it though. Every Indian I've met is very happy to now have a massive rail infrastructure the British built and used to rape their subcontinent of everything of value for 200 years. They usually give credit where it is due on both parts.
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kapparomeo posted:European imperialists did the same thing too. Weird how we don't get any praise for it though. "some people are rich and some people are poor and because of this their interests generally clash" does not mean what every anticommunist moron under the sun means by "human nature", which is that nobody can ever do nice things even if they try hard because magic. Gotchas are stupid, and so are people who try them.
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3peat posted:European imperialists only built roads and railways that went from the resource extraction point to the nearest sea port. And China kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 17:25
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HorseLord posted:"some people are rich and some people are poor and because of this their interests generally clash" does not mean what every anticommunist moron under the sun means by "human nature", which is that nobody can ever do nice things even if they try hard because magic. Yes, there is no such thing as human nature. Human beings are utterly defined and shaped by the societies we find ourselves in, which is why the writings of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians or other ancient peoples in radically different social settings are impossible for us to understand or even come close to comprehending and we must continue to examine Homer as the writings of some alien species. Give it up Capitailures!
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MrNemo posted:Yes, there is no such thing as human nature. Human beings are utterly defined and shaped by the societies we find ourselves in, which is why the writings of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians or other ancient peoples in radically different social settings are impossible for us to understand or even come close to comprehending and we must continue to examine Homer as the writings of some alien species. Give it up Capitailures! Julian Jaynes, is that you?
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MrNemo posted:Yes, there is no such thing as human nature. Human beings are utterly defined and shaped by the societies we find ourselves in, which is why the writings of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians or other ancient peoples in radically different social settings are impossible for us to understand or even come close to comprehending and we must continue to examine Homer as the writings of some alien species. Give it up Capitailures! What even is your point here other than "everyone is exactly alike because we can translate languages"? Because that's dumb. Actually Existing Human Nature exists only in terms of things like the average number of legs or eyes, need to eat and poo poo, capability for thought, etc. It does not extend to the level where everyone's personality is near identical - and bad - which is the requirement for this stupid anticommunist argument to work. The argument is still "you can't be nice because human nature!" where "human nature" is entirely interchangeable with Magic, demonic possession, or that thing Scientologists think they have. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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MrNemo posted:Yes, there is no such thing as human nature. Human beings are utterly defined and shaped by the societies we find ourselves in, which is why the writings of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians or other ancient peoples in radically different social settings are impossible for us to understand or even come close to comprehending and we must continue to examine Homer as the writings of some alien species. Give it up Capitailures! it's funny when people get so excited to joke about HorseLord's terrible postng and end up being way worse than him.
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kapparomeo posted:And China Before being liberated, Tibet was a feudal society where the majority of the population were slaves belonging to a small caste of priests. The place is much better off under China. Cheers.
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Jul 19, 2015 18:56
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My fave part of this thread was when that guy called Sweden a socialist country. It's like, turn off the Fox News and smell the market economy dude.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:My fave part of this thread was when that guy called Sweden a socialist country. It's like, turn off the Fox News and smell the market economy dude. Oh I was just joking. My favorite part is where China doing the same thing that Europe did 100 years ago in Africa gets praised.
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I can't tell who's fakeposting and who isn't now.
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Fojar38 posted:I can't tell who's fakeposting and who isn't now.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh I was just joking. My favorite part is where China doing the same thing that Europe did 100 years ago in Africa gets praised. Making a business deal with the local government, complying with all labour laws, and paying their workers above average for the region, is not the same as just showing up on a boat and threatening to shoot whoever the gently caress unless they bow down.
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Jul 19, 2015 20:51
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Who is being more sincere in their defense of authoritarian China: the British Stalinist or the guy with the anime avatar going on about the inherent superiority of Asian culture
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Jul 19, 2015 21:11
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Pro-pedophilia anime avatar, nonetheless. Truly, against such mental heavyweights, I think democracy and progress should just fold and accept anime communism as the new regime.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:21
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Right, two things that are imperfect are necessarily exactly the same. An unwarranted parking ticket and burning a person at the stake for heresy are both unjust, and therefore we should consider them exactly the same. To consider degree is racist. The depth of willful human stupidity shouldn't surprise me any more, but self-loathing contortionists like the OP still make me facepalm in despair.
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Jul 19, 2015 22:07
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Fojar38 posted:Who is being more sincere in their defense of authoritarian China: the British Stalinist or the guy with the anime avatar going on about the inherent superiority of Asian culture Hmm a pro chinese anime obsessed communist you say? 
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Jul 19, 2015 23:05
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hey whatever happened to pro PRC laowai i miss that guy sometimes
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TheImmigrant posted:Right, two things that are imperfect are necessarily exactly the same. An unwarranted parking ticket and burning a person at the stake for heresy are both unjust, and therefore we should consider them exactly the same. To consider degree is racist. Equating the U.S. and China undermines every human rights and labor rights accomplishment that has resulted in the U.S. being where it is. It's misguided and useless ignorance at multiple levels.
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We havn't had a thread this fun since that cultural appropriation thread where it turned out a person is worse than hitler for listening to NWA while playing GTA.
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Invisible Handjob posted:hey whatever happened to pro PRC laowai i miss that guy sometimes He got banned and didn't come back. It's a shame.
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WitchFetish posted:Pro-pedophilia anime avatar, nonetheless. aren't you the guy who unironically liked cross ange? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 01:12
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Blanket detainment of entire cohort of human rights lawyers vs creation of a disruptive nuisance in the life of an artist who proceeds to use legal channels to demand compensation. Hmmm this seems like a valid comparison.
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icantfindaname posted:aren't you the guy who unironically liked cross ange? lol did you seriously go through 6 months of post history to find out I enjoyed seeing dragons getting shot by robots and nonsensical plot? epic burn brah If you want more dirty secrets, I watch terrible shows like "the Strain" and i'm pretty enthusiastic about Metal Gear Solid 5.
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no i read your bad posts when you made them. a dude named "witch fetish" defending the show about 14 year olds in titty suits being raped is pretty memorable
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Yeah, my name is a terrible pun based on how translating "fetish" in french can be funny, sorry I couldn't be as inspired as you were when I picked a name. Also, I don't remember ever defending what you're referring to, so lol vvv : but was the rape of Nanking really that bad, considering America is... has... bad stuff... happening or not happening? just asking questions Creamed Cormp fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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I'm in favor of China if they destroy Japan for anime and the rape of Nanking.
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Silver2195 posted:Julian Jaynes, is that you? Stalin was actually a throwback to non-conscious humans  HorseLord posted:What even is your point here other than "everyone is exactly alike because we can translate languages"? Because that's dumb. You totally misunderstand what people are referring to when they describe human nature. You can throw up some strawman of 'exactly identical personalities' but we share more than just basic outward physical appearance with our ancestors. Fundamentally we share similar needs and drives, whether that be to feed, mate or establish our place in the social hierarchy. The result of this is motivations and emotions that we can identify with once we understand the cultural context. When Achilles throws a shitfit over Priam taking his slave girl, we might think he's being ridiculous but we can understand it's a consequence of wounded pride. When Othello is driven to a jealous rage we can identify his own insecurities, the manipulations of Iago, etc. When we read the first joke ever recorded we can have a little chuckle because 'lolsex'. Thse drives are what motivate humanity. True Communism might not necessarily be impossible but to achieve that level of pure co-operation you would need almost unlimited resources to ensure everyone could have as much as they desired of whatever (I'm thinking post-scarcity societies like Ian Banks' Culture) otherwise, even with enough to satisfy basic needs, people would end up tearing each other apart in competition for luxury goods. Power structures emerge in pretty much every human society, it's a consequence of our own evolution as a social species, or would you deny that there are social characteristics and traits we can identify and broadly understand in primates? The societies that shape us in our development are in turn bound by the types of drives that we have, by our physical and social needs. History has shown that, by and large, when a group of people get into a position of extreme power, they will be unwilling to surrender that. Not always but there is a tendency for this and often not just for petty selfish reasons. Robespierre, in his mad paranoia, was clinging on to power for the good of the country but such leaders if they believe they're the best choice quickly start to conflate the good of the country with the good of themselves. Many countries with an ostensibly socialist past have simply turned into entrenched power structures that seek to hold on to power. If you think SOEs in China operate for the good of the state you've got some disappointment ahead. The most popular reason to work for the state in China is the same as it was in Qing era, state positions are an opportunity for personal enrichment. The Chinese people have now spent longer under what you say is a Communist government than almost any other people on earth currently and they are some of the most fiercely capitalistic, FYGM people you could meet.
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Mandy Thompson posted:The take away from this is not whether or not China is worse than the US or that the US is equal to China but rather then presuming to tell other countries how to do things, we should consider what is happening in our own backyard. Another reason to hold America to a high standard is that I live here. As is said in the bible, "Physician, heal yourself." As is said in the bible "This is a lovely tu quoque and you come across as dumb to anyone who is informed when making it" Matthew 23:17 peace out brah
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TheImmigrant posted:Right, two things that are imperfect are necessarily exactly the same. An unwarranted parking ticket and burning a person at the stake for heresy are both unjust, and therefore we should consider them exactly the same. To consider degree is racist. To be fair unwarranted parking tickets are pretty unjust and we should think about getting our own house in order before talking poo poo about other country's burning people at the stake.
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MrNemo posted:Stalin was actually a throwback to non-conscious humans that sure is a lot of text to just say  over and over again. thanks for balancing out the stalinist idiot with your own brand of horseshit
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A big flaming stink posted:that sure is a lot of text to just say Any worldview not based on a reasonable understanding of human nature is a non-starter. Do you actually think a non-hierarchical society is in our future. I doubt it. So come up with something better than the bio truths icon as an argument.
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icantfindaname posted:no i read your bad posts when you made them. a dude named "witch fetish" defending the show about 14 year olds in titty suits being raped is pretty memorable lol so he's a guy who jerks off to anime little girls, and he accused me of the same thing when I haven't watched an anime in my life, because i have a title someone bought for me back in lf oh la la
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Witchfetish, is mod of animeville, you will not survive this day gentlemen.
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Nonsense posted:Witchfetish, is mod of animeville, you will not survive this day gentlemen. I may fall, but I will fell a score of animes before I breathe my last, and the warriors of heaven shall march over my grave to victory!
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A big flaming stink posted:that sure is a lot of text to just say So your own position would be that there's no such thing as a shared human nature beyond us generally having the same body shape? Any kind of society is not only possible but sustainable?
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HorseLord posted:Making a business deal with the local government, complying with all labour laws, and paying their workers above average for the region, is not the same as just showing up on a boat and threatening to shoot whoever the gently caress unless they bow down. Hahahaha look at this framing Like this is EXACTLY what American corporations say they're doing with sweatshops in SE Asia and poo poo
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It's a truly terrible principle suggested in the OP, in that no imperfect nation (i.e., no nation) would be permitted to criticize the US of AmeriKa under it. Because China commits the relatively minor offense of roughing up journalists and minorities and human-rights activists on a regular basis, it would not be able to criticize the US for its far worse crime of genocide against Mumia Abu Jamal. And issuing unjust parking tickets.
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