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Yeah where have we gone. We have a black president, healthcare reform and gay marriage too.
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crabcakes66 posted:Counterpoint: Yes they are. The thing you're not getting is that in China, due to a legal technicality, people don't own land. See how that makes everything better?
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Jul 19, 2015 04:05
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TheImmigrant posted:Right, two things that are imperfect are necessarily exactly the same. An unwarranted parking ticket and burning a person at the stake for heresy are both unjust, and therefore we should consider them exactly the same. To consider degree is racist. Equating the U.S. and China undermines every human rights and labor rights accomplishment that has resulted in the U.S. being where it is. It's misguided and useless ignorance at multiple levels.
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Jul 20, 2015 00:01
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A big flaming stink posted:that sure is a lot of text to just say Any worldview not based on a reasonable understanding of human nature is a non-starter. Do you actually think a non-hierarchical society is in our future. I doubt it. So come up with something better than the bio truths icon as an argument.
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over and over again. thanks for balancing out the stalinist idiot with your own brand of horseshit
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MrNemo posted:So your own position would be that there's no such thing as a shared human nature beyond us generally having the same body shape? Any kind of society is not only possible but sustainable? A lot of people react against human nature because they don't like its use as a defence of the status quo. As you point out, "no human nature" can be used to defend anything. It certainly undermines marxism for example which considers certain results to be inevitable when humans are combined with capitalism.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:57
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Strudel Man posted:Mm. I don't know that I agree, at least with the implication. We may not need a monarch specifically, but Hobbes still seems rather relevant in explaining the importance of a strong state to keep people from eating each other. Right and answering that question requires assumptions about humans and their behavioral predispositions (aka Human Nautre).
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Jul 20, 2015 19:47
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Everything you've listed is true, but those things are in no way unique to humans. You might as well say "being made up of atoms" is part of fundamental human nature. So apparently it's nothing but luck then that our societies resemble theirs enough we can relate.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:39
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I define human nature as the set of genetic behavioral predispositions that most humans have. I think it's intelectually untenable to believe that this group of traits doesn't exist, can't be identified or are necesarily overly broad. Exceptions don't mater. The statement "humans have two arms" isn't invalidated by the minority who have 1. Autism or gender dysphoria help highlight just how powerful underlying predispositions are to defining our experience in the world.
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Jul 20, 2015 23:06
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Obdicut posted:We don't have any genetic behavioral predispositions. That's not how genetics works. And even in your definition, by saying 'most humans', you admit there are humans who don't have whatever behaviors you're talking about, but are still human. DNA doesn't define behavior? Of course. quote:Yes, it is. What you mean is that people generally understand when you say "Humans have two arms" you implicitly mean "in general". To put it in genetic terms, when people say "Humans have two sexes" we don't mean that intersex people don't exist and aren't just as much a normal, if rare, outcome of genetics. Agreed.
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Jul 21, 2015 00:06
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fspades posted:The US has been the most belligerent nation on Earth in the last 70 years or so. No other country comes close when it comes to inflicting death and suffering on foreign civilians since WWII. This is not a tinfoil conspiracy theory. It is an undeniable historical fact and it's always hilarious when Americans just can't seem to grasp this. It's really not that hard to apply a few score keeping metrics when making these judgements. IE note that the U.S. is the sole world power, compare to other historical world powers and/or extrapolate how much better or worse other world powers would be in the same role (IE Russia, China). Just pointing out that the U.S. has killed people is actually really stupid in the context of human history.
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Jul 23, 2015 17:56
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fspades posted:Putin is a dirty hippie when compared to any American president in the last 70 years. You and horselord should be friends.
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Jul 23, 2015 19:05
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Typo posted:I think all of us understands there are shitloads stuff the us do is pretty evil, especially during the cold war era. You see it taken for granted that a critical stance is the healthy one but recognizing positive things and how/why they worked is also critical. It's really not that hard to recognize positives and negatives at the same time with appropriate perspective. Not being able to do that is a hallmark of bad ideology. asdf32 fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Jul 23, 2015 20:10
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Fojar38 posted:Agreed, you'd just be the oppressor instead, as all internet communists typically envision themselves. Liberals like us deserve it though.
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Jul 24, 2015 02:17
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HorseLord posted:No, actually, just most of the people making GBS threads up the thread on that page are on my ignore list so I can't see. Regardless one news story with spurious product claims doesn't change a thing, and you made that part about them attributing it to "dear leader" up anyway. I love that China is obviously communist and NK obviously isn't.
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Jul 24, 2015 20:44
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Fojar38 posted:I changed my mind, never stop posting. See I get nothing from horselord. It's just the communist dial set on 11 and delivered unironically post after post.
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Fojar38 posted:I sincerely never thought I would see the day when someone was earnestly defending North Korea. It's amazing and I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. You didn't read the marxist thread then. This is what clinging to fringe 19th century ideology looks like up close.
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