China abuses human rights activists. US also abuses human rights activists

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Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America?

China a place that is open about how much it wants to put its foot against your head. Also America is bad because of Iraq.

Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 18, 2015

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Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

HorseLord posted:

Gitmo

You're the one who was defending Uncle Joe right?

# ¿ Jul 18, 2015 05:51

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Bifner McDoogle posted:

Do you not have a loving dictionary.

Lynch:
to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.
E: y'know what, here's a link to the definition, just to make this real loving clear.

Do you have no understanding that comparing a bad thing to something which is unequivocally worse makes that bad thing seem less bad. Its like the bizarro version of people who claim everything Isreal does is justified because the things ISIS does are worse.

Plus using his argument the number of Uighurs and Tibetans that get killed by Chinese security (or lynched as he would claim) far outweighs the USA's police idiotic track record. Of course being that the Uighurs and Tibetans are reactionaries they have it coming.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2015 18:42

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Fojar38 posted:

Communism as you envision it is a dead and failed ideology. It is gone and never coming back. You will live the rest of your life in a world without Stalinism.

Wouldn't be so sure about that one. People tend to not learn from their past mistakes.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2015 19:33

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

I would agree that China, et al are an excellent example of modern communism though. You see, communism and actual socialism can't work because of human nature and human nature continues to exist in the subsequent capitalist system that always replaces them so ergo by the commutative property

You know there's this wonderful place called Sweden.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2015 00:07

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

HorseLord posted:

FBI, but, Martin Luther King jr.

They'd been trying for years before they actually did it to get him dead by other means, including at one point writing a letter purportedly from another civil rights activist suggesting he should kill himself.

I remember the X files episode where the cancer guy killed MLK.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2015 06:52

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

My fave part of this thread was when that guy called Sweden a socialist country. It's like, turn off the Fox News and smell the market economy dude.

Oh I was just joking. My favorite part is where China doing the same thing that Europe did 100 years ago in Africa gets praised.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2015 19:27

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Fojar38 posted:

Who is being more sincere in their defense of authoritarian China: the British Stalinist or the guy with the anime avatar going on about the inherent superiority of Asian culture

Hmm a pro chinese anime obsessed communist you say?

# ¿ Jul 19, 2015 23:05

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

We havn't had a thread this fun since that cultural appropriation thread where it turned out a person is worse than hitler for listening to NWA while playing GTA.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2015 01:03

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

asdf32 posted:

A lot of people react against human nature because they don't like its use as a defence of the status quo. As you point out, "no human nature" can be used to defend anything. It certainly undermines marxism for example which considers certain results to be inevitable when humans are combined with capitalism.

Yeah "human nature" is a bad argument because a stalinist can argue it in humans nature to live in collecctive communities and if you don't want to you need to be persecuted for going against it.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2015 18:06

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

Great point! Find me a monkey herd/tribe/whatever that doesn't have an alpha. Checkmate beta commu-tards.

You guys you guys communism only killed 60-100 mil depending on who you ask so I think we should give it another go before we drat it as non-viable.

I don't like communism ewither, I just think "natural rights, or natural law arguments make sense and can be easily twisted to argue for which one is trying to disprove making them bad arguments.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2015 23:55

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

Sorry if I'm unclear. I don't claim to know what human nature is and I don't have to. But I know a few things it isn't. Communist systems pretty conclusively are one of those things outside the set. It was inimical to its populations.

E: I'm defining inimical as 60-100 million corpses in its home countries. Before I hear about how this one time there was an ethnic cleansing somewhere and capitalism didn't step in to wave its magic wand and end some multigenerational strife.

Then just say, "the human suffering that Communism tends to bring with it makes it a unmitigated disaster and thats why it should not be inflicted on societies". It be like myself arguing that "the result of the British attitudes regarding famines in their territories in the 19th century which resulted in the deaths of millions was in large part exasperated by their slavish belief in laissez faire and this suggests that someone who slavishly believes in laissez faire should not be allowed to implement it being that when disaster hits it exasperates the problem of suffering on the population at large."

# ¿ Jul 21, 2015 00:57

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Typo posted:

welp D&D: was the Soviet Union worse than the British Empire discussion #29345

They were really about equal in their horribleness. But then I shouldn't be criticizing them because you see America today possibly stops a critic of it at airports therefore that makes what they did and China do perfectly fine.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2015 01:35

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DeusExMachinima posted:

Judging from crowsbeak and horselord this thread is actually titled "china abuses human rights. colonial england also abuses human rights"

also, does pushing a bullshit anti-Mendelian plant science for political reasons count as eating all the food in the Ukraine/Russia? I think it counts

Yes I am defending china where?
Also the problems in the Ukraine had nothing to do with that bunch of bullshit and just Stalin not planning properly and wanting to keep up exports. Which also makes the Holdomar alot like the famine in Ireland.

HorseLord posted:

Who's defending North Korea as an example of Communism? They follow the Juche ideology.

MrNemo posted:

You know what? I'd even accept Communism might be possible if we can construct some super AI that is best able to predict and react to needs and allocate people to work but we're looking at a situation just as sci-fi as being post scarcity in that situation. Either that or we assume that if we kill off everyone who acts badly we will produce a race of people who will always make the best choice for society, again if you can point me to a historical example that succeeded I'll concede this argument because it definitely isn't a totally new innovation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JfnFXdkSTI

# ¿ Jul 21, 2015 05:47

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/07/21/cops-steal-monk-s-ashes-at-gunpoint.html

China refuses to hand family the ashes of their family member. But this is fine being that the USA put some activist through a checkpoint.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2015 17:54

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Nonsense posted:

Reminder that Tibet should be freed, and any Han that currently live in Tibet should be enslaved by the Dalai Lama as just compensation.

Also if you oppose Tibet being free you likely support the Apartheid State Is it real.

So its fine that China won't let that family get the guys ashes?

# ¿ Jul 21, 2015 18:39

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

nopantsjack posted:

no, we do a decent amount of state terror too it just pales in comparison to the worlds dominant, belligerent military superpower.

Yes as always America is evil. Also are we still talking about PDRK?

# ¿ Jul 23, 2015 05:26

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

So because America is dominant and occasionally commits violence, we shouldn't callout anyone else when they are violent. Thats some food for thought.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2015 08:10

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

HorseLord posted:

"occasionally"

Compared to the UK, or the soviets the U.S. Is the ufp from Star Trek. We can improve but that doesn't mean that barbarism shouldn't be decried.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2015 14:47

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

HorseLord posted:

That's pretty delusional, holy poo poo. The USA is a butcher shop even when you only consider it's domestic atrocities.

Like I said there needs to be improvmants but compared to other superpowers we are a improvmant. Likewise I cannot see why our flaws means criticism can not be given at others who commit far worse actions.

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Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DPRK is better because it has never bombed anyone unlike AMERIKKKA.

# ¿ Jul 24, 2015 19:34

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