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Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Hello friends, I have decided to post a thread about the 2016 U.S. Presidential Candidacy of Jill Stein! Jill Stein was the 2012 Presidential Candidate of the Green Party of the United States. She was on the ballot in 36 states + DC and she finished fourth in the race, receiving more votes than every presidential candidate except Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romney, and Libertarian Gary Johnson. Jill Stein received 469,628 votes in the 2012 Presidential Election (0.36%).

Jill Stein is running again as a 2016 Presidential Candidate! She formally announced her 2016 Presidential Candidacy on June 22nd, 2015. She is one of five candidates competing in the Green Party Presidential Primaries. The other four 2016 Green Party Presidential Candidates are Darryl Cherney, SKCM Curry, Bill Kreml, and Kent Mesplay. I have yet to actually watch this video myself, but here is a link to a video of a recent Presidential Forum featuring all five 2016 Green Party Presidential Candidates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7QfvZemRk

Here is a link to a bodaciously brilliant Jill Stein Rap Video that was created by some high school students during Stein's 2012 Presidential Campaign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWPvx-DAUgI

And here is another 2012 Jill Stein Campaign Song that was made by one of her supporters in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRaXx_jGBpc

I suppose it's cool that people are excited about Bernie Sanders's presidential candidacy, but I'm also glad Jill Stein is still doing her thing as a more anti-establishmentarian yet still very respectable lefty figure. It's nice to see the Green Party working with Socialist Alternative, and I was very glad to hear Jill Stein talking about a Red-Green Alliance at a recent event where I got the chance to meet Jill Stein. Attached is a selfie that Jill Stein so graciously allowed me to take with her.

This thread is for discussing Jill Stein! Thanks, friends!

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Huragok
Sep 14, 2011
kill whitey

fronz
Apr 7, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
Why are you still here?

maker
Jun 1, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
i'd huff her farts if you know what i'm sayin

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
green party literally supports homeopathy, there's no way i can give them my protest vote when none of the candidates this year are directly responsible for turning a blind eye to blatant money laundering and torture

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
that said maybe in 2016 i'll be mad enough about the administration's bullshit to lodge another useless protest vote with the idiot greens

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
I voted for Jill Stein for President in 2012, but I will not be voting for her in 2016 because I will be helping elect Bernie Sander as President.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009

Proposition Joe posted:

I voted for Jill Stein for President in 2012, but I will not be voting for her in 2016 because I will be helping elect Bernie Sander as President.

point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx

fronz posted:

Why are you still here?

some people are just masochists who enjoy being repeatedly owned

NEED TOILET PAPER
Mar 22, 2013

by XyloJW

point of return posted:

some people are just masochists who enjoy being repeatedly owned

see also: stein, jill

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

I voted for her in 2012 because I was pissed at Obama about drones or torture or something.

Still not entirely sure who she is.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Math Debater posted:

I have yet to actually watch this video myself, but here is a link to a video of a recent Presidential Forum featuring all five 2016 Green Party Presidential Candidates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7QfvZemRk



Yeah, so I got around to watching the video of the Presidential Forum featuring all five 2016 Green Party Presidential Candidates. I think Jill Stein and Darryl Cherney were the best speakers and gave the best answers to the questions that were asked. If I had to choose one, I would say Jill Stein gave the best performance at the Presidential Forum. I think and hope Jill Stein will be nominated as the 2016 Green Party Presidential Candidate.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Greens are good and I would vote for them if I didn't live in a 'swing state' where my vote ostensibly matters, but I do so its Dems all the way down(ticket) again :(

potato of destiny
Aug 21, 2005

Yeah, welcome to the club, pal.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

Huragok posted:

kill whitey

anxiously awaiting dr stein's position re: the extermination of all white people. i searched her platform for all relevant terms with no hits. this information is crucial to my decision whether to jill off in 2016.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Can't Stymie the Stein

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Proposition Joe posted:

I voted for Jill Stein for President in 2012, but I will not be voting for her in 2016 because I will be helping elect Bernie Sander as President.

Are you me? :tinfoil:

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

my bony fealty posted:

Greens are good and I would vote for them if I didn't live in a 'swing state' where my vote ostensibly matters, but I do so its Dems all the way down(ticket) again :(

if you cast a vote for Hillary Clinton you are no better than the people that vote for Republicans

Meatbag Esq.
May 3, 2006

Hmm which internet meme should go here again?
My one regret for the 2012 election when I was voting in DC was that I didn't put down Jill stein for prez, Eleanor Holmes Norton for rep (ok I did this one) and then lizard people the rest of the ballot.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

have the greens gone full anti vax and anti gmo yet?

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Lutha Mahtin posted:

have the greens gone full anti vax and anti gmo yet?

Anti-GMO, anti-nuclear energy, want "more research" into vaccines.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Bobby Digital posted:

Anti-GMO, anti-nuclear energy, want "more research" into vaccines.

So they're basically the party of those liberals. The ones who are trotted out to represent everyone left of center by anybody inclined to discredit honest and legitimate leftist issues.

After Jill Stein started dissing Bernie because he was taking all that money those of us who sometimes wearily vote green in protest, sometimes gave to the Greens, I decided she wasnt getting my vote at all, ever, under any circumstance.

The more I hear about their sympathies to the anti-gmo/anti-vax/retard hippie crowd the more disgusted I am that I was ever sympathetic to them.

I think I hate uneducated/ignorant liberals more than I hate uneducated/ignorant conservatives. Maybe because I expect better of them, so I'm a lot angrier when they let me down with that dumb bullshit

Rubies
Dec 30, 2005

Live Forever
Die Every Day

:h: :s: :d: :c:

City of Tampa posted:

if you cast a vote for Hillary Clinton you are no better than the people that vote for Republicans

bernie is going to be the democratic nominee, so it aint no thang.

Demonachizer
Aug 7, 2004
I voted for her in 2012 but unfortunately, I am voting for Sanders (when he wins the democratic nomination).

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

Bobby Digital posted:

Anti-GMO, anti-nuclear energy, want "more research" into vaccines.

yeah, they are poo poo

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
I voted for Mitt Romney but I will be voting for Bernie Sanders and the most left wingiest candidates from now on


also



op is a weird fucker

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Top City Homo posted:

I voted for Mitt Romney but I will be voting for Bernie Sanders and the most left wingiest candidates from now on


also



op is a weird fucker

Please don't kink shame.

Baron of Bad News
Aug 4, 2009

he looks like joe satriani only with poo poo on his chest and no talent

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

I felt like she wasn't the strongest debater ever.

I was way more impressed with Rocky Anderson in the 2012 3rd party debate--someone I knew nothing about, who I assumed was a conservative candidate since his party was named "The Justice Party", but who ended up being a really cool left-leaning guy. I'm pretty sure the libertarians that watched that debate voted for Stein for 2nd because they knew Rocky would've kicked their guy's rear end.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
i wish the green party wasn't just the useless grab bag of rich hippie fringe bullshit



but if wishes were horses i'd own a glue factory

McAlister
Nov 3, 2002

by exmarx

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

green party literally supports homeopathy, there's no way i can give them my protest vote when none of the candidates this year are directly responsible for turning a blind eye to blatant money laundering and torture

Bernie literally supports naturopathy which is worse than homeopathy. Homeopathy does nothing. Naturopathy poisons people.

He's big into alternative medicine and even hosted a shindig on the hill to introduce his fellow legislators to the wonders of alternative medicine including naturopathy. He tried to insert amendments into the aca to force insurers to cover alternative medicine and has sponsored bills to provide "complimentary" medicine to veterans.

In Vermont, naturopaths are permitted to pretend they are real doctors and inject colloidal silver into people's arteries with oversight from a real doctor.

Citations:

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/legislative-alchemy-revisited-naturopathy-in-vermont-and-colloidal-silver/

http://www.mychamplainvalley.com/news/vermont/sanders-va-doctor-talk-integrative-medicine-for-veterans

When the GOP majority kicked Bernie off his va committee chair the quack community was very unhappy:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6122044

medical quacks posted:


The second significant loss is in the Senate Committee on Veterans' affairs. The current chair is Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont. Sanders's advocacy of complementary and alternative medicine is such that in January 1996 he brought all of the state's stakeholders together for a three-day conference on the topic. He kickstarted what is the nation's most robust embrace of integrative care. Emblematic of the integrative milieu in Vermont, naturopathic physicians are part of the state's primary care matrix, covered under Medicaid and trusted as stewards of patient centered medical homes.

Sanders is credited with inserting the licensed complementary and alternative medicine professions into Section 5101 on workforce of the Affordable Care Act. In doing so, Sanders made visible in federal policy the fact that for millions of U.S. citizens, licensed complementary and alternative healthcare practitioners are part of their personal "workforce." Shouldn't they be in the nation's workforce planning?



Jill and Sanders have a lot in common. They both dislike nuclear power as well for example.

It's fascinating to me watching the double standard on this forum of how these things are utter showstoppers when we talk Jill but ignorable when we talk Sanders. Jill is judged by her worste positions and Bernie by his best.

Clinton is also judged by her worste moments only - with the kicker that many of those moments are fabricated so she gets hit harder than Jill.

McAlister has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Aug 19, 2015

McAlister
Nov 3, 2002

by exmarx
Bernie also walks with the Green Party on GMOs:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7638846

quote:

Senator Bernie Sanders represents Vermont, the first state in the nation to pass a "right to know" GMO labeling law. He authored an amendment to the 2013 farm bill that would have given states the ability to require labeling so that they don't have to fight for it, state by state, through propositions on the ballot. Sanders' amendment was defeated 71 to 27 in the Senate, even though 93 percent of Americans want GMOs labeled.
"An overwhelming majority of Americans favor GMO labeling but virtually all of the major biotech and food corporations in the country oppose it." says Sanders. Vermont's labeling law is scheduled to go into effect on July 1, 2016. "The people of Vermont and the people of America have a right to know what's in the food that they eat," Sanders said.


But it's not worthy of scorn when Bernie does it. Just when silly Jilly does it.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
Green Party are poo poo fuckers with no organizational skills and Jill stein is a boring pedantic blowhard more interested In ideological purity than making a change

Not an Owl
Oct 29, 2011

McAlister posted:

Bernie also walks with the Green Party on GMOs:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7638846



But it's not worthy of scorn when Bernie does it. Just when silly Jilly does it.

Why don't you post in the Hillary vs. Bernie thread anymore? It's no fun if you post in places that aren't related :(

don Jaime
Apr 3, 2004

McAlister posted:

Bernie also walks with the Green Party on GMOs:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7638846



But it's not worthy of scorn when Bernie does it. Just when silly Jilly does it.

Oh, thank god, I thought you got banned or something.

McA, would you go so far as to say that some Bernie voters are sexist? Because the venomous responses both here and in the "Clinton" thread make me wonder, and your thoughts on the pass he gets that Jill Stein doesn't are very interesting.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

McAlister posted:

Bernie literally supports naturopathy which is worse than homeopathy. Homeopathy does nothing. Naturopathy poisons people.

ugh god drat it :cripes:

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!




lol I just noticed this nerd's fedora

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

McAlister posted:

Bernie also walks with the Green Party on GMOs:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7638846



But it's not worthy of scorn when Bernie does it. Just when silly Jilly does it.

You're insufferable enough with this bullshit in the quarantine and Hillary threads, don't post it here as well.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

hemophilia posted:

So they're basically the party of those liberals. The ones who are trotted out to represent everyone left of center by anybody inclined to discredit honest and legitimate leftist issues.

After Jill Stein started dissing Bernie because he was taking all that money those of us who sometimes wearily vote green in protest, sometimes gave to the Greens, I decided she wasnt getting my vote at all, ever, under any circumstance.

The more I hear about their sympathies to the anti-gmo/anti-vax/retard hippie crowd the more disgusted I am that I was ever sympathetic to them.

I think I hate uneducated/ignorant liberals more than I hate uneducated/ignorant conservatives. Maybe because I expect better of them, so I'm a lot angrier when they let me down with that dumb bullshit

hemophilia, I think most of what you’re saying in your post here is fair and worth considering. However, I think you’ve given an unfair and inaccurate description of how Jill Stein has been talking about the Democratic presidential campaign of Bernie Sanders.

Jill Stein talks about Bernie Sanders’s campaign in this here “Now Age Press” interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ggqmok1OMw

I think this is a good example of how Stein has been describing Sanders’s presidential campaign. She admits to agreeing with Bernie Sanders about a lot of stuff and she’s been comparing the Bernie Sanders campaign to the progressive Democratic presidential campaigns of Jesse Jackson in 1988 and Howard Dean in 2004. Both of those campaigns got very popular and it really seemed for some time that both of those guys had a serious chance of becoming the Democratic presidential candidate. However, their campaigns were ultimately thwarted by the combination of hostile mainstream media and a hostile Democratic Party establishment. It looks like Bernie Sanders really does have a chance of winning the Democratic Party presidential nomination, but I think it’s pretty reasonable for Jill Stein to predict that Bernie Sanders’s 2016 presidential campaign will end similarly to how Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign ended and how Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign ended.

I intend to vote for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary, assuming he hasn’t dropped out by the time my state has its primary, because it really does seem at this point that Bernie Sanders could become the Democratic presidential candidate. And if Bernie Sanders does become the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, then I would encourage Jill Stein to stop running for president and transform her current presidential campaign into a campaign for the Green Party to endorse Bernie Sanders’s Democratic presidential candidacy, like how the People’s Party/Populists endorsed the Democratic presidential candidacy of William Jennings Bryan in 1896. I think Jill Stein and many people in the Green Party are reasonable enough that they would give serious consideration to this possibility.

I will not vote for any Democratic presidential candidate other than Bernie Sanders in the general election because I totally reject the idea that it’s necessary to fall in line behind the lesser of the two evils in order to defeat the Republicans. Jill Stein, in my opinion, does a very good job arguing against the idea of falling in line behind the lesser evil in the “Now Age Press” interview that I’ve linked to in this post.
Thanks for your consideration and thanks to everyone who has posted in the Jill Stein Thread!

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Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

Math Debater posted:

I will not vote for any Democratic presidential candidate other than Bernie Sanders in the general election because I totally reject the idea that it’s necessary to fall in line behind the lesser of the two evils in order to defeat the Republicans. Jill Stein, in my opinion, does a very good job arguing against the idea of falling in line behind the lesser evil in the “Now Age Press” interview that I’ve linked to in this post.

I suppose it's no crazier than rejecting institutional medicine. I don't really understand the mentality of people who would rather lose than make incremental progress (if it came down to that choice). Republicans control the vast majority of state legislatures, where they have a huge influence on day-to-day life. They will continue to exert influence for the next 50 years unless Veith v Jubilerer 2004 is overturned by the Supreme Court. Only then could the democrats challenge the gerrymandered district maps that have locked them in an electoral prison. That will only happen if the democrats can replace one of the conservative justices if they retire.

That pretty much requires winning the presidency until that happens. But that also means Clinton winning if Bernie fails to get the nomination.

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