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Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Check out this video of Russian President Vladimir Putin giving a speech at the previously mentioned RT celebration event! Jill Stein can be seen in the audience listening and also recording the event on her phone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6uYxborC9c

Edit: Former Mayor of London Ken Livingstone also attended the RT conference!

Here is a good propaganda news article discussing the event and the participation of Jill Stein and Ken Livingstone in the event. The article features quotes by Stein and Livingstone about the ongoing warfare in the Middle East and their thoughts regarding steps that could be taken to address the crisis: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151210/1031521352/russia-us-daesh.html

"[b posted:

Green Party’s candidate in the 2016 US presidential election said that Russia and the United States could ban weapon supplies to the Middle East and make Turkey close its borders with Syria and Iraq in a joint effort to defeat Daesh.[/b]"]

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia and the United States could ban weapon supplies to the Middle East and make Turkey close its borders with Syria and Iraq in a joint effort to defeat Daesh, also known as ISIL/The Islamic State, the Green Party’s candidate in the 2016 US presidential election, Jill Stein, said Thursday.
"Between the two of us [Russia and the US], we could create a weapons embargo [on the Middle East], we could lean on Turkey to shut down its borders," Stein told RT broadcaster's International Conference in Moscow.

Former London Mayor Ken Livingstone, in his address to the conference, added that the fight against Daesh requires a broad coalition, not just a US-led international campaign.
Former director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, also speaking at the event, urged Russia and the United States to "quit acting like two bullies on the playground," calling the relationship between the two countries a "marriage, whether we like it or not and that marriage is very very rocky right now."

A US-led international coalition has been carrying out a campaign against Daesh, a group outlawed in a number of countries including Russia, in Syria since 2014. Russian jets commenced a separate military operation against Daesh and other extremists in Syria on September 30, following a request from Syrian President Bashar Assad.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has long called for the creation of a broad international coalition to fight Daesh, including at the UN General Assembly in September.

Math Debater has issued a correction as of 14:28 on Dec 14, 2015

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point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx
assad has killed more than daesh

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

point of return posted:

assad has killed more than daesh

The preservation of the Iran-Syria alliance as a bulwark of resistance against U.S. domination of the Middle East is worth spilling blood for.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
Wow less votes than a libertarian. That's impressive.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


sorry math debater but russia is not part of a revolutionary anti-imperialist alliance, it is a bourgeois reactionary power. the cold war ended a quarter of a century ago bro.

"The Russian Federation does not aspire to dominate the world to the extent that the U.S. empire currently dominates the world" does not make a Russia revolutionary lmao, it just means its imperialist ambitions are more restrained by its limited power

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 11:23 on Dec 16, 2015

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Bringing down the American empire seems more important to me than any other kind of political ideological poo poo. Rooting against America is fun, and I appreciate all foreign governments that are trying to resist U.S. world domination, regardless of how reactionary they may be and regardless of how many people they may have killed.

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot

Math Debater posted:

Bringing down the American empire seems more important to me than any other kind of political ideological poo poo. Rooting against America is fun, and I appreciate all foreign governments that are trying to resist U.S. world domination, regardless of how reactionary they may be and regardless of how many people they may have killed.

If the US goes away someone worse will replace them. Probably China big time. Just consider that if you think the US is bad imagine an unchecked China.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Microwaves Mom posted:

If the US goes away someone worse will replace them. Probably China big time. Just consider that if you think the US is bad imagine an unchecked China.

This would make me happy, as long as it involved lots of pain and suffering for myself and for other Americans.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Math Debater posted:

This would make me happy, as long as it involved lots of pain and suffering for myself and for other Americans.

Even our commies are obsessed with the redemptive power of their own Protestant suffering. :doh:

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
Thanks for convincing me to use my gay protest vote on someone else

point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx

Math Debater posted:

This would make me happy, as long as it involved lots of pain and suffering for myself and for other Americans.

you do realize you got banned for bringing your fetish onto the SA forums, right, what makes you think bringing your fetish onto politics is a better idea?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

big surprise that the posters with sanders gang tags don't understand anti-imperialism in the slightest

Microwaves Mom posted:

If the US goes away someone worse will replace them. Probably China big time. Just consider that if you think the US is bad imagine an unchecked China.

this would own actually

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Check out this photo, tweeted by Jill Stein, of Stein speaking at a sustainability forum in Paris with Xie Zhenhua, a Chinese climate envoy and vice chairman in China's National Development and Reform Commission!

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Bifner McDoogle
Mar 31, 2006

"Life unworthy of life" (German: Lebensunwertes Leben) is a pragmatic liberal designation for the segments of the populace which they view as having no right to continue existing, due to the expense of extending them basic human dignity.

point of return posted:

you do realize you got banned for bringing your fetish onto the SA forums, right, what makes you think bringing your fetish onto politics is a better idea?

That would be like the third Jill Stien supporter on these forums with a real hosed up sexual fetish they can't keep to themselves.

Coincidentally there was a Jill Stien thread or something in DnD back in 2012, I genuinely tried to understand where the Stien supporters were coming from but never really got a good understanding of why they would support such an imperfect canidate when they all knew it was just a protest vote. It turns out they were just really horrible people, some of whom got off on on stuff like treating thier African-American sexual partners like slaves. It was one of the stranger things I've seen on these forums.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
I don't think voters should hold minor party candidates to higher standards than major party candidates. The American electoral system at the national level is completely rigged anyway, so I don't think voters should use a candidate's lack of a real chance to get elected as a reason not to vote for said candidate.

Math Debater has issued a correction as of 01:16 on Dec 19, 2015

point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx

Math Debater posted:

This would make me happy, as long as it involved lots of pain and suffering for myself and for other Americans.

and anyways, the candidate that will produce the most pain and suffering for Americans is Ted Cruz

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

"The Russian Federation does not aspire to dominate the world to the extent that the U.S. empire currently dominates the world" does not make a Russia revolutionary lmao, it just means its imperialist ambitions are more restrained by its limited power

uh actually putin has vocally criticised the us for creating a unipolar world...

are you trying to tell me that he would do the same thing given the chance??

Kanthulhu
Apr 8, 2009
NO ONE SPOIL GAME OF THRONES FOR ME!

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME THAT OBERYN MARTELL AND THE MOUNTAIN DIE THIS SEASON, I'M GOING TO BE PISSED.

BUT NOT HALF AS PISSED AS I'D BE IF SOMEONE WERE TO SPOIL VARYS KILLING A LANISTER!!!


(Dany shits in a field)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MMahrBteE8 Jill Stein interview with Cenk Uygur

THE BOMBINATRIX
Jul 26, 2002

by Lowtax
Sanders will not be getting the nomination so I'll probably be voting for Stein.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Jill Stein has raised enough money to qualify for federal matching funds in 15 out of a required 20 states! She needs to raise enough money in 5 more states by the January 6th deadline in order to start receiving federal matching funds in February!

To finish the job, Jill Stein's campaign is focusing on the following six states, where she is close to raising enough money:

-Arizona
-Georgia
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Ohio
-Virginia

The Stein campaign was originally also focusing on raising money in North Carolina and Wisconsin, but she has since raised enough money in both of those states to qualify for federal matching funds, that is if she can also raise enough money in 5 more states by the January 6th deadline!

I urge Jill Stein sympathizers to donate to her campaign by January 6th to help Stein qualify for matching funds, especially those living in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, and Virginia!

Here is the link to the Jill Stein 2016 Matching Funds Drive webpage: http://www.jill2016.com/match2015

Thanks for your consideration! Have a jubilant January, friends!

Edit: Oh, and by the way, check out this interview with Jill Stein by Sophie Shevardnadze on her Sophie&Co show on RT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwTl03A4kjU

Math Debater has issued a correction as of 05:46 on Jan 4, 2016

Popular Human
Jul 17, 2005

and if it's a lie, terrorists made me say it

THE BOMBINATRIX posted:

Sanders will not be getting the nomination so I'll probably be voting for Stein.

This is me unless VA ends up being too close to call (it won't, Hillary will dominate the state even more than Obama did in '12)

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"
How'd that drive go?

Also Sophie Shevardnadze also got an interview with Assad and called Ukrainians fighting against Russians like the Taliban, so Jill's got that going for her.

Popular Human
Jul 17, 2005

and if it's a lie, terrorists made me say it

Obdicut posted:

How'd that drive go?

I've looked at the VA one over the last couple of days out of curiosity, and I find it hilarious and kind of scummy how the "goal" is 5k but they keep pulling it back to constantly make it look like they're ALMOST AT GOAL and could make it RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR HELP! Like yesterday it was at like 3100 and the goal showed 33, now the "goal" is 4100 and they're about 200 short of that.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Jill Stein came to my hometown in Texas. She talked to a classroom of people and answered our questions. One idiot even asked about Area 51. She is a legit lefty and has my vote if Hillary wins the primary.

Mrit
Sep 26, 2007

by exmarx
Grimey Drawer

Frijolero posted:

Jill Stein came to my hometown in Texas. She talked to a classroom of people and answered our questions. One idiot even asked about Area 51. She is a legit lefty and has my vote if Hillary wins the primary.

Much like Ron Paul, Jill Stein looks good if you listen for 5 minutes. Its anything past those 5 minutes that makes you cringe in horror.

World Kraid Center
Oct 18, 2009
I will not vote for this lady again because her party doesn't seem to have matured a bit in regards to nuclear energy.

point of return posted:

assad has killed more than daesh

yes, that is what happens when in addition to ISIL (saying daesh isn't actually like a victory over something they hate to say by the way) you are fighting all the moderate headchopper clans and the FSA- aka the CIA's TOW squad. stats on who killed who, if they're even reliable, mean little now compared to 2011. and even then they would be obviously disproportionate. one side is a government and one side always hides among civilians.

this government, this secular government, is still in control of most of the population, and would never have endured thus far if no sunni would fight for it. this government is the strongest force preventing a genocide of shia and whatever heretics and infidels remain there. this government has presided over long periods of relative peace - interrupted by just one major conflict where the muslim brotherhood was brutally put down. it worked then. why not now?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

assad would've stepped down. he was first a little brother turned eye doctor. think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

now why should he just give up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxxwfaIAl_Q

or trust anything his enemies say?

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Obdicut posted:

How'd that drive go?

Also Sophie Shevardnadze also got an interview with Assad and called Ukrainians fighting against Russians like the Taliban, so Jill's got that going for her.

not surpising since rt is a propaganda organ of the kremlin

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

a hundred boners posted:

I will not vote for this lady again because her party doesn't seem to have matured a bit in regards to nuclear energy.


yes, that is what happens when in addition to ISIL (saying daesh isn't actually like a victory over something they hate to say by the way) you are fighting all the moderate headchopper clans and the FSA- aka the CIA's TOW squad. stats on who killed who, if they're even reliable, mean little now compared to 2011. and even then they would be obviously disproportionate. one side is a government and one side always hides among civilians.

this government, this secular government, is still in control of most of the population, and would never have endured thus far if no sunni would fight for it. this government is the strongest force preventing a genocide of shia and whatever heretics and infidels remain there. this government has presided over long periods of relative peace - interrupted by just one major conflict where the muslim brotherhood was brutally put down. it worked then. why not now?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

assad would've stepped down. he was first a little brother turned eye doctor. think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

now why should he just give up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxxwfaIAl_Q

or trust anything his enemies say?

this post definitely makes you seem smart, sane, and reasonable

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

a hundred boners posted:

I will not vote for this lady again because her party doesn't seem to have matured a bit in regards to nuclear energy.


i've basically resigned myself to accepting that nuclear's not gonna take off under any party


with that out of the way i'm honestly more troubled by how the green party's official platform still endorses quackery:

quote:

We support the teaching, funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alternative therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
Voted for Jill in 2012 but I've moved on to the PSL for this year I think, do they have a thread?

THE BOMBINATRIX
Jul 26, 2002

by Lowtax

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Voted for Jill in 2012 but I've moved on to the PSL for this year I think, do they have a thread?

I don't think so but maybe you should take on the cause! I'd honestly like to know more about the PSL other than whats on their website/wikipedia, sounds like it might be up my alley.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Duckbag posted:

this post definitely makes you seem smart, sane, and reasonable

he's right if a bit hyperbolic

Carl Killer Miller
Apr 28, 2007

This is the way that it all falls.
This is how I feel,
This is what I need:


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

green party literally supports homeopathy, there's no way i can give them my protest vote when none of the candidates this year are directly responsible for turning a blind eye to blatant money laundering and torture

You gotta grab those single issue homeopathy/soul/torture votes

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
My wife voted for her in 2012 because one of her biggest issues is animal rights. There's no need for her this year with Bernie having such a good record on that.

And if Bernie doesn't make it she'll be voting for Trump because thankfully a man still has the right to tell his wife how to vote in this great nation.

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Chris Hedges posted:

The political crisis in America is severe. The old ideas that buttressed the ruling class and promised democracy, growth and prosperity—neoliberalism, austerity, globalization, endless war, a dependence on fossil fuel and unregulated capitalism—have been exposed as fictions used by the corporate elite to impoverish and enslave the country and enrich and empower themselves. Sixty-two billionaires have as much wealth as half the world’s population, 3.5 billion people. This fact alone is revolutionary tinder.

We are entering a dangerous moment when few people, no matter what their political orientation, trust the power elite or the ruling neoliberal ideology. The rise of right-wing populism, with dark undertones of fascism, looks set in the next presidential election—as it does in parts of Europe—to pit itself against the dying gasps of the corporate establishment.

We are caught between the jaws of the monsters Charybdis and Scylla, and our escape route is narrow and diminishing. Playing the old political game, attempting reform using the old rules, won’t work. We must focus exclusively on revolt, on overthrowing corporate power to reclaim our liberty and save the planet from a coup de grâce delivered by the fossil fuel industry.

If we fail to revolt we will see the numerous mechanisms for control enshrined in our system of inverted totalitarianism—wholesale surveillance, militarized police empowered to use lethal force against unarmed citizens, the loss of nearly all civil liberties, the impoverishment of the majority of the citizenry in the name of austerity, the use of the military as a domestic police force, indefinite detention without trial, government-ordered assassination of American citizens—spread like a wildfire across the landscape.

The battle before us is global. It is a battle being fought on myriad fronts, including in Greece, Egypt, Spain and Venezuela. The ravages of climate change, the ruthless exploitation of international finance and the evil of American imperialism and militarism are as present outside our borders as they are at home. The greatest enemy before us is not radical jihadists, but the forces lurking within our society that threaten to extinguish human liberty and eventually the human species itself.

Our real compatriots do not look like us. They speak in foreign tongues. They come from different cultures and faiths. They fight on the streets of Athens and Madrid and in Tahrir Square. It is only when we link arms, when we make common cause against the hydra-headed monster of global corporatism and American imperialism, that we will have any hope of victory.

Revolutions come in waves. They ripple around the globe feeding off each other’s ideas, passion and energy. The French Revolution in 1789 and the Haitian Revolution in 1804—the only successful slave revolt in human history—were direct products of the ideas and experience of the American Revolution. The revolutions of 1848 reshaped Europe. The 1917 Russian Revolution inspired numerous revolts including the 1919 Spartacist uprising in Germany. Eastern Europe was remade in the revolutions of 1989. We will create a new worldwide wave, we will rise up en masse, or we will be crushed.

The imperative of revolt dramatically reduces the importance of elections. Elections, managed by the elites, mean nothing if radical movements are not powerful enough to disrupt and dismantle corporate power. To deserve our support, a political candidate or party must hold fast to the goals of a fiercely anti-capitalist, anti-militarist movement. Those running for office must serve as the political expression of such a movement, for without movements committed to radical politics and buttressed by sustained acts of civil disobedience—strikes, lockdowns, mass rallies, marches, oil and gas pipeline blockages and coordinated disruptions of the systems of corporate power and the war industry—we will lose.

The focus of our energy must be on building nonviolent, mass movements keyed to issues such as immigrant rights; Black Lives Matter; fighting male violence against women, including pornography and prostitution; the anti-fracking and environmental justice movement, which has spawned groups such as the Delta 5; the cancellation of all student debt; the demand for a living wage; the destruction of the animal agriculture industry through the practice of veganism; health care as a human right; the struggle to dismantle the security and surveillance state and expose the crimes of empire; the abolition of trade agreements such as NAFTA and the Trans-Pacific Partnership; and the rebuilding of militant unions. These movements must build alliances with the oppressed around the earth, including the Palestinians. We do not have the luxury, or the right, to pick and choose whom among oppressed people it is politically convenient to support. We will rise or fall together.

This is why I support Dr. Jill Stein, who is running to be the Green Party candidate for president after having won her party’s nomination in 2012. I support Stein because she understands that this is primarily about building a global movement, not about participating in an election. She, unlike Bernie Sanders, knows that this movement will never be realized within the Democratic Party or by paying deference to the power elites, the Israel lobby or the arms industry and the military establishment. She grasps that until we name and destroy the evil of militarism and imperialism, genuine social and political reform, indeed democracy, is impossible. She does not want to work within the corporate establishment. She wants to dismantle it. And all the pundits who tell us not to waste our vote miss the point. It is time to stop playing the game.

“We’re in this kind of magical moment, it’s an existential moment which is very personal and very real,” Stein said when I interviewed her in Baltimore for my podcast, “Days of Revolt.” “It has enormous potential for transformation. The question is which way is it going to go. How are we going to make that happen? How do we optimize what history is going to do? Because history will mobilize people as the treachery of the system continues to be inflicted on us. And the question is whether we will mobilize in time to change it.

“The powers that be would love our movements to remain divided and conquered,” she said. “The challenge of our era is to bring our movements together so we’re working with a common agenda and to some extent a common strategy. That’s what political parties can do. A political party can help provide that conversation so that the movements can [articulate] and develop our agenda, our priorities.

“It is extremely corrupt,” Stein said of the American political system. “It serves the interests of oligarchy. It puts people, planet and peace—it subjugates those critical things—to profit. We have a political system that is funded and therefore accountable to predatory banks and fossil fuel giants and war profiteers. Those are the interests it serves. Those are the policies it creates. It’s sort of like an amoeba that oozes its way into all aspects of the system.

“It’s reached a level where no one except the 1 percent, or perhaps the 5 percent, is out of danger,” she said. “We’re imperiled in a very clear and direct way—whether you’re talking about an entire generation of young people who are locked into debt for the foreseeable future, the decline of wages, the true joblessness that actually exists, the foreign policy of total economic and military domination that’s blowing back at us now catastrophically or the immigrant human rights disaster, as 60 million people were forced to migrate over the past year alone. And the climate is in meltdown.”

She called the presidential debates and political carnival around them “elaborate, staged events to create the sense that resistance is futile.”

“We’re fed this corporate brainwashing, many times a day, that we are powerless,” she said. “And therefore we have to choose between two oppressors. It’s really important to reject that lesser-evilism and stand up and fight for the greater good. The greater good here has been lost in the battle between the evils.

“The politics of fear has delivered everything we were afraid of,” she went on.

She, as has Ralph Nader, pointed out that all the reasons liberals and progressives are told they should vote for a Democratic candidate—Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama and now Hillary Clinton—are wrong. These Democratic politicians have never worked to halt the expanding wars, end the assault on civil liberties, curb the looming ecocide, halt the offshoring of jobs or stop the bailouts to Wall Street—$800 billion under President George W. Bush and $16 trillion under Obama. The corporate state, with the complicity of the Republican and Democratic party leaderships, continues to ravage the planet and disembowel the country.


“You have differences around the margins, but the core stuff is essentially the same,” Stein said. “The differences are not enough to save your life, to save your job, or to save the planet.

“We have to understand how absolutely deadly the threat is that we are facing now,” Stein said, “whether it’s the next economic collapse, which we are teetering on the brink of right now, or whether it is the meltdown of our climate. We are looking at the collapse of our major ice sheets within the next couple of decades. Within a handful of decades we could basically ruin all coastal cities. When Pearl Harbor was bombed we called out a national emergency, and within six months we had converted 25 percent of GDP to a wartime footing and stayed there. We are facing an all-out climate emergency. It got much worse under the Democrats. Obama [and the Democratic Party] had two houses of Congress. People should not make excuses for Obama—‘it was the bad Republicans.’ This is the second point about the politics of fear. The lesser evil paves the way to the greater evil. It’s not in opposition to it. It makes way for it.

“Democracy needs values,” she said. “Democracy does not exist in a vacuum. There’s nothing more powerful than a moral compass. We have to bring that moral compass to our democracy, because it is a ship lost in a storm right now.”

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges has again endorsed the presidential candidacy of Jill Stein! I have quoted an essay by Chris Hedges about why he supports Jill Stein that was published here on truthdig a few days ago: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_i_support_dr_jill_stein_for_president_20160221

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
All that bolded stuff could have been written by a PSL member who refuses to vote

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010

The Saurus posted:

All that bolded stuff could have been written by a PSL member who refuses to vote

Hedges is known for plagiarism so it probably was

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The Saurus posted:

All that bolded stuff could have been written by a PSL member who refuses to vote

weird those parts are the most correct ones

Math Debater
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot
Jill Stein was interviewed by George Galloway on the latest edition of Galloway's Sputnik show on RT! Check out the conversation between Jill Stein and George Galloway by watching this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELB7gAE27PQ

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Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Math Debater posted:

Sorry to double-post, but I think this attached photo of Jill Stein with George Galloway and Ray McGovern, originally tweeted by George Galloway, is worth a thread bump for! The hat that I wore to the event where I met Jill Stein was totally inspired by George Galloway!

Apparently these three heroes met each other at an event hosted by global news network RT, celebrating 10 years of RT being on the air!



jill stein and galloway?

put the green party in the fukcing trash where it belongs

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