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Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Just Offscreen posted:

Jesus Christ lily- that's worrying.

Boy, let me tell you, the weirdest thing about knowing your parents read your comic is getting upset messages from your mom whenever you write a bad thing happening to a child character.

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Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Oxxidation posted:

So I was reading through Poppy O'Possum again and some of the foreshadowing in this chapter was pretty nuts.

I mean, that giant boar that wrecked the place up got big because it was fed something "unnatural." And Valente showed up because he got a tipoff from some weird monk who giggles all the time. And I wonder where that weird hand got off to?

If you look carefully, the monk also had another appearance where they are suspiciously carrying a bug sprayer.
Thinking up all of the potential foreshadowing is probably one of the most fun things about being a writer.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Tollymain posted:

on the other hand, the comic's been running for like a few months, 300 pages is a bit of an update pace :v

Well, that's kind of how it goes when each "page" is just a single panel. The fact that they specifically seem to be approaching it with a cartoon production standard of making stock backgrounds to reuse from panel to panel cuts down on a lot of worktime as well.

Personally, I have to admit I got sick of the MSPA approach of stuffing a bunch of dialogue underneath an image with a "chat window" framing device a couple of years ago. It creates a disconnect between the characters and the dialogue that makes it harder for me to get attached to them, and the interactions in Neo Kosmos aren't nearly as charming as early Homestuck was to compensate, so it's all kind of tedious.
But maybe I'm just burnt out on awkward 20-somethings trying to emulate awkward teenager speech patterns, and the action/plot bits will be more successful at grabbing me.

EDIT: Okay, I got further in and the sheer decompression in the comic is getting to totally ridiculous levels. Do we really need a dozen or so consecutive panels of characters just sitting in silence to establish a tense relationship?

Morbi fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Nov 8, 2015

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Diaz seems like the kind of person who really just needs a PR person to slap his hand and go "no, Aaron" when he lets his ego go out of check. He could be the nicest man in the world in person, but his attitude online is just so smug and insufferable that he almost feels like a parody instead of a real person, and his policy of just mass-blocking after even the lightest of ribbings makes it clear he has very little intention of changing himself in that regard.

Also, dude needs to just admit to himself that he enjoys drawing sexy cyborg ladies because he likes sexy cyborg ladies, instead of hiding behind gross assertions of "empowerment" or "celebrating women's bodies" or the like. There's really nothing shameful about it.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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A Wizard of Goatse posted:

when you're a webcomics person and there's like a dozen other people who do what you do, you're all struggling to make a living, none of you even had a revenue model until a couple years ago, and the only other people your work puts you in regular contact with are your horrific loving fans, I feel like you probably don't really get to pick your friends

As a webcomics person, I have to disagree, the community's pretty fuckin' huge and interconnected. Being able to draw and throw fanart at people also tends to speed up the friendship process.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Just Offscreen posted:

I can certainly agree with that- I mean look at KSBD, and Undertale- they both sprang from that and went off and became more.

I forget, did Poppy start that way?

No, but at one point I had plans to do one about sky privateers. Skyvateers. It was called Seven Skies and it died before it even began and became one of those things that just rattles around in my head, occasionally getting mental updates.
Poppy was born purely out of good ol' art school sleep deprivation.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Okay, I just want to confirm that probably no one is more surprised than me that Oglaf and my own comic both updated with really specific Chick Tract parodies today.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Say what you will about Simpson's embarrassing past missteps, that unicorn comic strip she's been doing for the past couple of years has been cute, at least.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Parts Kit posted:

Hey Morbi, I'm suddenly getting warnings about a trojan inject script on the main page of Poppy. Just wanted to let you know in case some shithead got into your site.

ed: Looking more like this might be on my end. ed2: yeah some random crap on my end.

Well reading this post went from "stressful" to zero pretty quickly

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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SuperHappy posted:

Eyy folks, my own li'l comic featuring a demon had a massive website revamp. The latest comic is kinda April Foolsy although that wasn't really the intent. Most importantly, though, I got a new collaborator and she is just so good at things, so we're expecting to do a lot of good this year.
Like Miss Cagle, I plan to start doing about 4 different series this year, but I still got problems wrt having the attention span of a ferret, so who knows. I'll try my best, though.

BTW, Bea, your April Fools page was amazing, and I can't believe someone else has heard of Lynch's comic, holy poo poo

edit: oh right, I should mention my comic is :nws:

I just saw this and I cannot loving believe we made the exact same joke based on the exact same scene for April Fools
That is eerie.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Dresden Codak has really come to it's own now that it finally includes lesbianism. It really is a webcomic

Oh geez, I completely forgot that Diaz was trying to suggest a thing between Kim and that other girl whose name I cannot remember for the life of me.
Probably because it's been an entire year since that last came up.

I know it's extremely hypocritical of me to roll my eyes at "webcomic lesbians" considering I write what can literally be called a gay furry webcomic but GODDDDD

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Renaissance Robot posted:

I was going to say "what's gay about Poppy" before I remembered the answer is "at least one B-list and maybe one C-list character".



I do not think I have been very subtle.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Cat Mattress posted:

Honestly it has so far looked like "Petunia completely misinterprets the relationship between Kit and Poppy", so if your intent was "Petunia is completely right about the relationship between Kit and Poppy" then yes you have been a bit too subtle.

Well, on one hand, you're right about Petunia jumping to conclusions.

On the other hand


Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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AriadneThread posted:

i liked dresden codak when it was just a series of one-off comics
then it didn't matter how long it took because there wasn't much continuity, and it was just kind of pretentiously goofy, i actually bought a poster of "harvet whatever's 42 essential third act twists" to put on my wall in college
also, i liked the run of filler comics, the one where the guy on the moon eats an egg and becomes god was fun
it's disappointing he's revealed himself to be kind of a jerk

Yeah, I miss when DC was just a comic about abstract one-shot science/philosophy gags, because I will easily admit that Diaz can write some interesting concepts when he's not trying to spin a big dumb story out of it. Gratuitous boob shots aside, I think my favorite one was the page where Kim wakes up in a strange world full of symbiotic creatures and it just turns out to be an alt-prehistory fanfic so she could ship herself with her physics T.A.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Megazver posted:

I am of a mind that if you enjoy drawing pretty naked people, that's perfectly fine.

It does get a little weird if you're also highly vocal about how drawing pretty naked people for your enjoyment is totes bad and wrong and then seemingly obliviously do the same.

Well personally, I think that drawing sexy naked people is always inherently exploitative and disrespectful, and anyone who- wait gently caress

*knocks a folder off the table*

OH NO

*sends my extensive portfolio of highly fetishistic monster girl porn all over the floor*

OH MY GOD NO

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Also, I feel like it should be pointed out that I don't think I've ever seen any actual evidence of Diaz directly basing Kim on/e-stalking Ashly Burch outside of various rounds of hearsay.
So I mean, I'm hardly an authority on the matter, but as much as I dislike the guy, that should probably be taken with a big grain of salt?

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Renaissance Robot posted:

The more I dig through your blogs and such the more convinced I become that rather than a SFW artist who also draws smut on the side, you're a dyed in the wool smut peddler who happens to run a surprisingly wholesome fantasy comic.

I'm glad I live in a period of history where this is not a bad thing.

I used to be really worried about this phenomenon before I realized that nobody in the mainstream art/entertainment world actually gives a poo poo what kind of weird inappropriate bullshit you've created as long as you're okay at it. I mean, look at Johnny Ryan and Dave Cooper. Those guys have both published the raunchiest, filthiest, most offensive smut and yet they're also long-time contributors to Nickelodeon and currently have their own TV-Y7 cartoon running.

I could put out a bunch of totally innocuous children's books and my saucy demon comics would just be some surprising trivia fact.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Everyone in the industry is pretty hosed up, honestly. You guys should try listening to cartoon voice actors talking off the record sometimes.
Rob Paulsen of Yakko/Pinky fame has a podcast where he interviews other actors at home and boy, those are unsurprisingly some of the filthiest-mouthed people in the business.

I keep thinking about Bill Farmer talking about how Mickey and Minnie Mouse's last set of voice actors were actually married and deeply in love in real life and how he "would give anything to hear the kind of talk that goes on in that bedroom."

Morbi fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 7, 2016

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Acebuckeye13 posted:

It's been years and I still occasionally crack up at that exchange.

Seeing that exchange out of context was literally what got me to start reading Paranat. It's the best.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Renaissance Robot posted:

Chapter 4 (the monastery) was originally chapter 3. Morbi got like three quarters of the way through it and then went OH gently caress because he'd forgotten that the ending wouldn't make any sense if we the audience hadn't seen what is now chapter 3.

So one of the coolest fight scenes ever got postponed for months because of mystery plot reasons. Turned out to be well worth it though.

The full disclosure of what happened was that most of the major events of "Poppy Incites A Gang War" (introducing Charlie+Harley, Fazzi, Poppy meeting Chicadino and the debt being properly wiped away) were originally planned to chronologically happen after the dragon story. As time went on, though, it occurred to me that it made a lot more sense for those things to happen during the period where Poppy's arms were messed up.
Working on the dragon story had also really been stressing me out at the time and I needed a break to do something light-hearted, which a big dumb comedy-heavy story fit just the bill for.
It was certainly my biggest misstep as a creator, but Gang War ended up being my favorite story to work on, so I don't regret it too much.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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The Lone Badger posted:

Several people have said that Poppy is unskilled (including Poppy herself) but she was absolutely clowning on the tournament contestants and intercepted Fantomet's slap no problems. Is she really fast as well as really strong? Or perhaps she her own technique developed purely from experience, which formally trained fighters like Friedrich disdain.

If even one genuinely competent fighter had fought Poppy at the arena, she likely would have been shut down, but most of those types had been driven away by Boris' bullshit power-set long ago. She's got decent reflexes and tough skin, but her movements are otherwise easy to predict and full of holes that can be taken advantage of, and she tires out very fast. When she can't just end a fight with brute strength, she runs out of options quickly.

Poppy's a very effective fighter compared to amateurs and wild beasts, but when she hits the skill ceiling, she hits it hard.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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wiegieman posted:

Everybody please keep in mind that Chris Hastings is writing Vote Loki.

I misread that as "Vore Loki" and got really concerned for a second.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Wittgen posted:

That kabe don is just the best.

Looking back on it, I'm genuinely really proud of that panel as a composition. I don't really play around with layouts like that as much as I probably should.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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No comment other than "there is not an opossum child in there."

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:

Wwll Poppy just went to a pretty grim place.

But I'm all for more Freddy Facts in the future.

I assure you, the contents of Monday's page are going to more than compensate for how dark the undertones of the comic have been recently.
It was literally the first page I wrote for this chapter, and I've been vibrating in anticipation for months about it.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Wittgen posted:

I like how this page kinda works as a summary of Kit's entire arc so far. Messed up due to the unreal pressure on her, refused to accept kindly offered help, got punished repeatedly.

Kit's entire subplot is actually an elaborate metaphor for the process of being a longform webcomic author.

(That is a joke, I am joking)

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:



Is about the best summary I can give of Poppy's monday update. Also for added humor, I was referring back to the harlequin romance novel chapter cover. I hadn't noticed previously the Quibble & Moonshine author logo. It really takes the whole thing to a new level of "aside from the animal people I can totally picture this in a Walmart".

I spent like an entire week just googling trashy vintage romance novels to get the exact look I wanted for that cover.
It was the best.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Truly, is there even such a thing as a good thread

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:

Oh I know exactly what it's representative of. It's an abstraction of her shifting expression as she begins to see Poppy/Kit but drat if taking it at face value isn't utterly hilarious :colbert:

It's actually totally a literal thing she's doing. Petunia's expressions are absurd and wonderful.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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I think it's worth pointing out that Poppy assumes a very real possibility of just up and dying at any point within the next six years, so finding someone who is personally invested in looking after Lily "just in case" is an understandable priority for her.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:

Out of idle curiosity, how much of that is the heart condition and how much is "being a possum"? Her life expectancy, I mean.

It's the heart condition. Being an opossum caps her out at 30 or so, her further heart issues are what potentially drops it below that.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Anything is super gay if you squint hard enough

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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That first April Fools page actually does have at least one particularly nasty trick left that I imagine is going to make everyone lose their goddamn minds when we finally get to it.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:

Morbi I like the juxtaposition of the King Dolphense balloon with the horrible loving cthulhoid nightmare dragon in the anniversary image. I, too, feel that they are equivalent threats.

That was basically the first thing I decided about the layout of this nightmare clusterfuck of an image.
That and "Ms. Rufus was clearly the most important character to come out of the gang war so she'll be on top of that section"

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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I will confirm up front that Flora is not Earth in the future, past, or otherwise. It is its own distinct planet.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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No, I get it, I'm not a fan of the "humans are inherently special and important" cliche in fantasy animal settings either.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Mr. Lobe posted:

I love that Krillin, the eternal chump, is the best that mankind has to offer.

And even Krillin is some kind of weird canonically noseless freakazoid.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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Captain Oblivious posted:

Today's Poppy features variants of adorable at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

Confirmation of what pretty much everyone knew at this point, that Friedrich Ricky is the Most Dad.

Also I can't say I expected him to conscript the goofy rat burglars.


Also a decent excuse for me to talk about something related: After doing a full reread of Poppy recently, Morbi you're doing a real good job on the plotting end of things. It can't possibly be easy to maintain good flow on a longform comic like this, but the story beats are really crystal clear for an archive reader: the chapters simultaneously manage to be very slice of life one shots while still advancing the overarching plot thread of "Poppy's personal connection to the Queen slowly draws her into the orbit of Momentous poo poo, despite her unambitious intentions" in a very logical and believable fashion. Can't wait to see where things go from here because I get the impression that what we've seen so far has only been setting the stage.

Maintaining a balance between being fast-paced enough not to drag for the active update readers, but not so fast-paced that scenes seem to whizz by for the archival readers is one of those unique hurdles nobody tells you about before you start making a webcomic.
Sometimes I wish I was a one-person writing/drawing machine so I could update ten pages a week and decompress the plot a bit, but you have to know where your limits lie.

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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The Lone Badger posted:

It's still bleeding.
Is the needle shown because he literally just applied those stitches, or does it have some other significance I'm missing?

That needle has a different purpose that will become immediately clear. It appears on the cover as well.
If it had been for applying the suture, I would have drawn a 3/8 circle needle instead.

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Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

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I suddenly no longer feel that insecure about how long it's taking me to get Poppy through Act 1 of 4

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