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Plastics posted:Well you could try obeying the laws... It would be nice if the cops could do that and stop covering for officers who break them
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Aug 10, 2015 01:56
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DeathChicken posted:This literally happens in a mission in GTA: San Andreas, which I'm pretty sure was supposed to be a parody of rear end in a top hat cops. Amazing. It also happened in Menace II Society, which was being referenced in the game.
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Aug 10, 2015 02:12
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Atrocious Joe posted:I heard from a girl working with prosecutors for the summer that public defenders are fine with the site because they can use the site to meet defendants without alerting gangs in the county jail. I think that’s some self-serving bullshit but it's all just gossip anyway. Just wanted to say, thanks for this post and the links.
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Aug 10, 2015 03:13
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Atrocious Joe posted:Honestly only some of black population of Chicago lives in something resembling Mad Max, and that only fits well if you classify the police as warboys. The CPD act like 8th grade bullies who were suddenly handed guns and diplomatic immunity in the white neighborhoods too. I had my Lincoln Park apartment ransacked by them for no particular reason.
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Aug 10, 2015 05:03
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Plastics posted:Well you could try obeying the laws... 
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Aug 10, 2015 14:25
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KernelSlanders posted:The CPD act like 8th grade bullies who were suddenly handed guns and diplomatic immunity in the white neighborhoods too. I had my Lincoln Park apartment ransacked by them for no particular reason. As far as I can tell they're not really in white neighborhoods though. Anecdotal, but I've been in Lakeview and Lincoln Park quite a bit recently and the only time I reliably see police is when I'm by a hospital like Illinois Masonic. When you don't interact with cops it's hard to have a bad experience with them. Miriame Kaba who runs the Prison Culture site I linked earlier has a good essay about how often black kids interact with police and how often it goes bad. Her thesis is that police should be abolished, which is a bit extreme. However, it raises really good points that police and black communities know each other intimately so something beyond "re-training" or "more footpatrols" is needed.
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Aug 10, 2015 14:47
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Poil posted:Sir, your skin color and ethnicity is illegal in this area. No I know that the cops do a lot of things they should not do and I do not question that they should be reformed but the thing is almost everyone who gets into trouble with the police is actually a suspect in a crime or a convicted criminal. The police are really disproportionate when they go after people but they do not usually go after people for no reason whatsoever there is almost always some aggravating factor that is avoided by Law abiding citizens. So if those people obeyed the Law then that would be a way to stay safe. If that does not sound fair or reasonable then good because that was my point. I do not believe that myself. The police are terrible and evil and they work to enforce unjust laws from the start of their shifts to the end. But unless you support the abolition of the police and of Laws and of the government then you are taking that stance that I outlined there.
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Aug 10, 2015 15:40
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Plastics posted:No I know that the cops do a lot of things they should not do and I do not question that they should be reformed but the thing is almost everyone who gets into trouble with the police is actually a suspect in a crime or a convicted criminal. The police are really disproportionate when they go after people but they do not usually go after people for no reason whatsoever there is almost always some aggravating factor that is avoided by Law abiding citizens. So if those people obeyed the Law then that would be a way to stay safe. What are you talking about, Cops can and do go after people who aren't suspects in a crime literally all the time. Christ, you'd have to be deliberately ignoring pretty much everything in the news lately to believe the crap you're spewing.
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Aug 10, 2015 15:44
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Plastics posted:No I know that the cops do a lot of things they should not do and I do not question that they should be reformed but the thing is almost everyone who gets into trouble with the police is actually a suspect in a crime or a convicted criminal. The police are really disproportionate when they go after people but they do not usually go after people for no reason whatsoever there is almost always some aggravating factor that is avoided by Law abiding citizens. So if those people obeyed the Law then that would be a way to stay safe. I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to say here really but my position is that cops and our criminal justice system more generally should stop punishing very minor crimes in such a harsh and draconian manner. Not wanting people arrested for jaywalking and carrying "spring-assist knives" doesn't mean I want to abolish all laws and government.
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Aug 10, 2015 16:44
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Aug 10, 2015 17:00
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I'm not sure which one I like better, #5 or #11. Or maybe #1 or #2.
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Aug 10, 2015 18:38
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#15 Pick up the can.
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Aug 10, 2015 18:42
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Where's the disclaimer about being sent to torture hell without trial if you appear to violate any of these?
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Aug 10, 2015 18:45
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Tips to be safe in your neighborhood: do not resist arrest. Thanks officer, I feel prepared for safety with these tips. Thank you for warning me about the dangers of cops! Seriously that reads like one of those horrible "avoid rape by not dressing like a whore" pamphlets. Also quote:#Tips to #StaySafe in Any #Neighborhood snorch fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 16:24
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On the plus side, a lot of those points are also good advice for dealing with wild bears
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Aug 11, 2015 17:05
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snorch posted:CPD doesn't know how to hashtag. Don't need twitter when you have a stingray. http://gapersblock.com/mechanics/2015/01/12/evidence-suggests-cpd-illegally-uses-stingray-technology-on-protestors/
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Aug 11, 2015 18:58
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Gum posted:On the plus side, a lot of those points are also good advice for dealing with wild bears Some more helpful advice that can apply to either group: -Make noise to avoid startling the police (talk loudly, or carry a bell). -Never approach a cop (duh!) -Travel in groups, (never walk alone!) -Keep your dog on a leash (they can provoke the police) edit - whatever you do, do not try to feed the cops, it will familiarize them with human contact and could make them more aggressive
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Aug 11, 2015 21:25
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Gum posted:On the plus side, a lot of those points are also good advice for dealing with wild bears Yeah, I wish the bears I pick up from the street would dress like cops, too Wait what are we talking about again
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Aug 11, 2015 21:32
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Hahaha oh wow do they really think people are going to agree with this? Everyone already either knows the police are tools of the Government or they are comfortable using those tools to put themselves in a better position.
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Aug 12, 2015 02:50
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Plastics posted:Hahaha oh wow do they really think people are going to agree with this? Everyone already either knows the police are tools of the Government or they are comfortable using those tools to put themselves in a better position. I can't find the words to express how that makes me feel. I've looked at it a few times since it was posted and I would like to write something somewhat intelligent and eloquent about how hosed up it is, but I just bang my head on the wall instead.
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Aug 12, 2015 02:55
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Remember, don't have "too many people" in your car.
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Aug 12, 2015 03:29
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That list seems pretty reasonable to me.
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Aug 12, 2015 11:11
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-Troika- posted:That list seems pretty reasonable to me. A lot of it is the subtext when combined with the exposure of the CPD having a torture hell that makes it very very skeevy. You had 4 people in the car with you! Ah, don't yell! Time to go to the illegal holding facility for an indeterminate amount of time!
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Aug 12, 2015 18:29
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-Troika- posted:That list seems pretty reasonable to me. The joke is cops don't even follow these rules.
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Aug 13, 2015 09:29
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-Troika- posted:That list seems pretty reasonable to me. Of course it does, you are an authoritarian. I do a lot of that poo poo because I don't want to get shot. That is pretty stupid, if you really think about it. Thank god I'm not black. Pohl fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 14:20
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Hahaha "not every police officer is out to get you. Some totally are though; try not to look so weak, or so strong OK? You're only encouraging them."
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Aug 13, 2015 14:50
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15. Accept that your own police forces are more likely to kill you (by a factor of around 7x) than any foreign terrorist, and that no expense proportional to this threat will ever be spent addressing it. 16. Just carry a loving gun and accept you'll die in a shootout someday with the hostile occupying forces that call themselves "police."
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Aug 13, 2015 16:06
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I like how #6 and #7 aren't getting much attention because everyone knows that this is how you deal with cops, even though they're probably the two most hosed up things on this list. It's like the police are literally wild animals who might shoot you if you do anything they construe as even remotely threatening.
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Aug 13, 2015 16:25
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I'm pretty sure that if I ask everyone I let into the car if they have any illegal drugs I'll end up getting arrested once word gets around.
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Aug 13, 2015 21:19
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-Troika- posted:That list seems pretty reasonable to me. Many of the rules are on their face quite reasonable, yeah (with a couple exceptions, like "don't have too many people in your car," what the gently caress? Are they saying it's not my God-given American right to drive thirteen clowns to work in my minicooper?). The problem is that police officers don't tend to approach interactions with the public in the same fashion. If everyone went into it trying to keep from being confrontational this would be understandable, but as it is, the subtext is "be respectful and maybe we won't shoot you." It's trying to solve the problem of police and public treating each other like a hostile force, without themselves trying to be less of a hostile force. Then again, I don't tend to believe that all cops should be slaughtered in the streets like pigs, so maybe someone with the correct opinion could provide a more complete analysis.
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Quorum posted:Many of the rules are on their face quite reasonable, yeah (with a couple exceptions, like "don't have too many people in your car," what the gently caress? Are they saying it's not my God-given American right to drive thirteen clowns to work in my minicooper?). The problem is that police officers don't tend to approach interactions with the public in the same fashion. If everyone went into it trying to keep from being confrontational this would be understandable, but as it is, the subtext is "be respectful and maybe we won't shoot you." It's trying to solve the problem of police and public treating each other like a hostile force, without themselves trying to be less of a hostile force. The difference is that the cops have authority, weapons, and ability to oppress the public while protecting their own rear end. They are supposed to be servants of the public, both individuals and on the whole. Trying to describe the situation as if its two equal groups in conflict on even footing is misleading. Berk Berkly fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Aug 15, 2015 05:22
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Berk Berkly posted:The difference is that the cops have authority, weapons, and ability to oppress the public while protecting their own rear end. They are supposed to be servants of the public, both individuals and on the whole. Trying to describe the situation as if its two equal groups in conflict on even footing is misleading. I agree, and I didn't mean to imply they're on an equal footing here. The impression within the police community is that they are besieged by a hostile public, however, and the public view (among people who actually have interactions with police on a regular basis) is that they are oppressed by hostile police. Any policy-based way of dealing with the problem is at least going to have to acknowledge both of these, if only in explicit denunciation. To put what I said in the above post in another light, the Chicago police are trying to solve what they see as the problem, but are not acknowledging that they themselves might be even part of the problem. This is at best horrifically tone-deaf, and once you start getting into things like torture sites, we're no longer talking best-case scenarios. eta: I mean, how cartoon-villain (or completely insulated from actual reality) do you have to be to imagine that the correct response response to "please stop acting like an occupying force" is "yeah well stop resisting?" Quorum fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Aug 15, 2015 05:32
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You hit the issue right on the head, though. The police don't believe they're a problem. The siege mentality is extremely ingrained into the overall police psyche but they believe that they're the good guys. They believe that they're acting on "peace through strength" or whatever rather than brutal oppression. The other snag is that, in some cases, the corruption and oppression has been there so long it's normal to them. Oh hey we ripped a black guy out of his car, shot him twelve times, then failed to find evidence of wrongdoing? Meh, whatever who cares...we're discouraging actual criminals by doing that so it's worth it. The reason people are hostile toward the police is that they routinely abuse their power. More and more stories of police brutality have been coming out. Every time video evidence comes out that not only did the police literally murder somebody but lied about it to cover their own asses it not only erodes trust in the police something fierce but makes people hate police. Suddenly the community becomes hostile and the police seem less like community-minded people just keeping order in the community and more like a threat. When any police officer that feels like it suddenly has the right to gun somebody down for no reason whatsoever then one has no choice but to be suspicious of all police. If I encounter a police officer I don't know I have no idea if he's a good cop or a bad cop. I don't know if he's just looking for an excuse to start shooting because he wants blood today. But I do know that if he shot me twelve times and I died his cop buddies would help him get away with it. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Aug 15, 2015 06:11
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The clear answer for folks in the neighborhoods engaged in borderline activities which would attract suspicion is to join the honorable folk working at CPD and try seeing things from the perspective of a CPD officer for a year.
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Aug 15, 2015 06:13
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My Imaginary GF posted:The clear answer for folks in the neighborhoods engaged in borderline activities which would attract suspicion is to join the honorable folk working at CPD and try seeing things from the perspective of a CPD officer for a year. It's unfortunately not entirely unheard of.
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Aug 15, 2015 08:07
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How is it even legal to imprison a suspect for hours without booking them?
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Aug 15, 2015 11:26
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Aug 15, 2015 11:48
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Can you even say there is a such thing as a good cop most cops are guilty of remaining silent when crimes are committed by fellow cops or helping covering up crimes for them. Im deeply skeptical of a so calles good cop.
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Greataval posted:Can you even say there is a such thing as a good cop most cops are guilty of remaining silent when crimes are committed by fellow cops or helping covering up crimes for them. Im deeply skeptical of a so calles good cop. Those are "good cops". Jon Burge and Adrian Schoolcraft and bad cops alike. That's the problem.
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