Flipperwaldt posted:

Just read a couple of days ago somwhere around these forums that it came with crap in the installer now. Don't remember what, but it sounded pretty bad.

Cerony posted:

I keep getting this issue where the Start button and the Taskbar become unresponsive. It's usually accompanied by other applications such as Pictures and Movies & TV not loading as well as videos in the browser stopping and becoming unplayable if I try to restart them. I haven't found a solution other than shutting down and restarting the laptop.

Im_Special posted:

Last Chance posted:

MS did fire their Windows QA team a while ago. That might've done it.

Factor Mystic posted:

New fast ring build today. Recently relevant itc:


Guess I was right when I said

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Should be fixed.

PerrineClostermann posted:

Never said it would, but it would definitely help.

xamphear posted:

Well, at a technical level these updates really aren't service packs, they're full OS reinstalls.

dpbjinc posted:

There's already been one of these late last year, from 10240 to 10586. If you didn't notice, that's a sign that Microsoft is doing something right.

dpbjinc posted:

Fair enough. If you want to see how the upgrade will work, install a VM with an Insider Preview on it and switch to the Fast Ring. They're updated fairly frequently, and the upgrade process for them is the same as for Windows 10 upgrades.

Combat Pretzel posted:

Odd choices, because these apps use the least amount of platform specific APIs due to portability.

redeyes posted:

Was this the physical same hardware? If so, its just the normal digital entitlement.. hardware hash activation.

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Klyith posted:

did I claim to be?


you should try it, I'm actually pretty satisfied with how they handled being set to non-automatic. they get really persistent with the nags. if automatic mode did the same thing with the reboot -- ie never rebooting without the user's active agreement, but nagging the gently caress out of you if you ignore it -- I predict there would be no complaints and very few people would leave their computers unrebooted for weeks.

Dylan16807 posted:

So I tested not rebooting for several days after the last round of updates, and it popped up a window asking what day I wanted to schedule a reboot. Very good, really. So the mechanism to force rebooting without having unexpected reboots already exists.

It's not a dichotomy between "no reboots" and "unexpected reboots". Let's not treat it like one. If Microsoft removed the "reboot when 'idle'" code, other code would still force timely reboots. There would be no explosion of vulnerability. But it would be a lot less user-hostile.

Edit: It would also be nice if they stopped changing the mechanism without saying anything, because it didn't do the same thing the last time I put off rebooting for a week.

Dylan16807 posted:

By "period I configure" do you mean active hours? Those don't help at all with the problem of "I left for the day and it installed updates and rebooted before I got back". There's no warning in that case.

Am I misunderstanding how that works? As far as I understand it, the only way to get reasonable behavior is to have something open that prevents the system from registering as idle.

hooah posted:

I started using the Mail app for my Gmail account, but I noticed that it doesn't sync outgoing changes very quickly. For example if I delete an email on my computer, I won't see that change on my phone for at least several minutes (I haven't timed it yet). I changed the sync setting on the account in Mail to be "as items come in", but that didn't seem to have any effect.

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

Is there some mechanism that stops the extensions from making network calls and leaking potentially identifiable information or are they just yolo-ing it?

hooah posted:

How widespread is this? I've been using Firefox for at least ten years and I don't recall ever seeing anything like what you're describing.

wolrah posted:

I forget which Linux distro I used in the past, but it had what I thought was the best solution to this on boot. Normally the graphical boot splash would come up with a progress bar. If it stalled anywhere for a long time it showed what step it was on. If you pressed Escape it went away and showed you the full standard Linux boot console I don't know if that's still a thing, I honestly don't see the boot screen often enough or long enough to think about it.

The same principle could easily be extended to basically everywhere there's a progress bar that's indicating anything more complicated than a simple file transfer. Show the simple, friendly UI by default, if things take longer than expected give us some info, and most importantly let us see exactly what's going on if we want to.

I just updated my laptop from Ubuntu 18.04 to 19.04 last night and the update process got the important parts of that right. It doesn't have a full simplified UI so it displays the exact step all the time, but there's a button that'll expand the dialog and show the processes running in a terminal that are ultimately actually doing things.

hooah posted:

I have no comment on either of these complaints ("works fine for me"), but it's the most standards-compliant browser. Google's sure as hell looking to pull what Microsoft did in the 90s with IE in terms of market share > standards.