|
Nate RFB posted:So, original Haruhi 2006 and then the new 2009 episodes in the order they came out? Fairly sure that's how my DVD sets are laid out. The DVD might not be in the right order, unless you picked up the limited edition sets, if I remember correctly.
|
#
¿
Aug 12, 2015 23:52
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 12, 2024 05:05 |
|
|
Nate RFB posted:Yes, the books are chronological. Broadcast order was a great hook though and gave a lot more life to a story that otherwise would've peaked by the 6th episode and ended kind boring by the 12th (whether it was with Sighs or Someday in the Rain). I wouldn't say they're completely chronological. The short story ones kind of muck it up, though it's possible they were in chronological order when they were first published in the magazine, before being compiled. The short story volumes though, are not chronological since Vol. 3 happens in between Vol 1 and 2, and Vol. 5 and 6 all happen before Vol. 4 which was Disappearance. What Season 1 essentially did was basically just cover Vol. 1, and filled up the rest of the season with most of the short stories from 3, 5, and 6, and ignored the 2 full books, Sighs and Disappearance for the most part. Sighs got combined with Endless Eight for season 2, and Disappearance became the movie. So there was some logic to why they aired s1 like they did. Allarion fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Aug 13, 2015 |
|
#
¿
Aug 13, 2015 09:10
|
|
|
I was tempted by that box-set. I was also poor so I could not buy overpriced things yet.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 17, 2015 09:45
|
|
|
Spiritus Nox posted:This narrator is very calm about this battle waitress from the future. And her bunny suit. And her cabbage. 
|
|
#
¿
Aug 18, 2015 01:07
|
|
|
In Training posted:Im uploading this first gif now because I have a question for someone who may speak Japanese or may know something about it: what was up with this moment? Ive never really understood it, why does Mikuru correct herself? Sounds like she was about to say shitsureishimashita since she's used to speaking politely, and then corrected herself with the more casual shitsureishimasu, which was probably Haruhi's script idea for her character.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 18, 2015 05:49
|
|
|
a kitten posted:I've been using the one on the Haruhi wiki. http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Episodes One interesting thing about those previews is that Kyon gives the broadcast order, while Haruhi gives the chronological order when you'd expect it to be the opposite. For anyone not familiar, basically Haruhi would announce that next episode would be episode 2, and then Kyon would bounces in with "Wrong, it's episode 3". There's one instance where they hit the same episode number that he comments on too.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 18, 2015 05:57
|
|
|
Man, I forgot about Koizumi breaking character just because he likes to debate out philosophical and story concepts.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 18, 2015 06:29
|
|
|
Agronox posted:Was there ever a consensus "best sub"? Probably AFK's subs. I remember those being the ones to get too before S2 and the updated releases basically replacing them.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 18, 2015 07:09
|
|
|
I've always subscribed to the theory that there is more significant about Kyon beyond being the protagonist, but we'll get to that. Course, since the books are incomplete, we'll never get a concrete answer but it's something interesting to debate out.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 22, 2015 04:11
|
|
|
Kytrarewn posted:I started to think that myself while actually reading the first LN. The one thing that the first LN goes into more detail than the anime on is that Kyon really is Haruhi's camarade in general boredom and disillusionment. Until he went to high school, he was convinced of the existence of all the same things Haruhi is, and made a conscious decision to no longer believe in them. Indeed, Haruhi is the very embodiment of his inner child. It's not such a stretch to believe that Kyon himself is the god and created Haruhi et al. His reality could be just so far outside the plane of the universe that not even the Integrated Data Entity can notice that something is wrong is wrong around him in addition to Haruhi, or Haruhi might just be the vector by which Kyon effects change. The conclusion of Endless Eight gives some evidence to this effect as well. There's little things that the anime included that could have been followed up on. There's also the matter of Disappearance, and Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, but we'll get to that later.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 22, 2015 04:29
|
|
|
I'm not even sure if it's about how everyone deals with it, though that's fun too. I might attempt to make a post about it later on, since the matter won't actually come up till most of season 1 is over. Kyon's an interesting dude though, since his actions don't always match up with his narration or his stated beliefs. I will say though that there probably was an intended reason for why we never get to know Kyon's real name which is somewhat thematically important to the series.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 22, 2015 04:53
|
|
|
Finally getting around to watching yesterday's set, seeing Nagato play Othello against Mikuru, did remind me that it's always interesting the rare occasion we see Nagato, Mikuru, or Itsuki interact directly with each other. We got a little of that in the movie too when Nagato and Itsuki talked to each other.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 23, 2015 07:43
|
|
|
That little moment when Yuki doesn't open the door except when Kyon tells her to always stood out to me. There's a lot to be said about Yuki's development across the series too probably, as well as her relationship with Kyon.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 25, 2015 23:36
|
|
|
I mentioned it before, but I always felt that Live Alive was basically the endpoint for Haruhi as a character in the series. All the little side episodes, the main narrative of her melancholy, were basically all building up to this moment. The fact that it is episode 12 in both broadcast order and chronological order is likely no mistake since the episode serves as a climax for both narratives, at least for Haruhi anyways. It's the closest where we see Haruhi come to embracing the mundane over the supernatural. Everything that comes afterwards serves more to explore Kyon's own motivations, and to a lesser extent Nagato's character and her own relationship to the world and Kyon.
|
|
#
¿
Aug 29, 2015 10:07
|
|
|
On a sidenote, I started reading the post-Disappearance novels. I can kinda see why they did season 2 the way they did since they didn't really have much choice since a lot of the non-animated stories they had available were basically all post-Disappearance and dependent on the development from Disappearance.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 1, 2015 03:29
|
|
|
Yeah, I think KyoAni kept most of the little nods to events that hadn't happened yet, even if they weren't planning on animating it. Hence why the further you get into the series, the more you pick up on little innocuous things. Keep in mind that when S1 first aired, Haruhi already had 7 volumes out already so they were able to refer to a lot of things as well as tell their story in non-chronological order. Ironically, they also gave a more coherent narrative order than the LNs since the author would occasionally go back to revisit things after telling a story, so you'd get Endless Eight, Day of Sagittarius, Live Alive, and Adventures of Mikuru Asahina being told after Disappearance.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 3, 2015 02:24
|
|
|
I remember comparisons being made to K-on's art style having influenced Haruhi S2, since presumably animators worked on both. That or the speculation being the main team being busy with the movie, since I think the movie still has S1's style.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 3, 2015 03:46
|
|
|
The only connection Kanon has to Haruhi is that Sugita voices the main character of both, and that KyoAni essentially gave that character Kyon's personality due to that. K-On is the light music club show that aired right before S2 started airing, hence why I recall a couple of comparison pics comparing the two.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 3, 2015 04:23
|
|
|
Hey, Haruhi believes in chronological order too. Kyon goes with broadcast order, so clearly Haruhi is not always correct.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 5, 2015 03:24
|
|
|
Nah, stable time loop. Your actions in the past can't change anything because they're already accounted for and have always happened. Basically Kyon has always been John Smith. Generally, Haruhi runs on stable time loop rules though stories after the anime start messing more with that.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 6, 2015 18:19
|
|
|
darealkooky posted:so how does kyon pay for all these group lunches when he has no apparant job or parents He mentions his parents (in the light novels) on rare occasions. I will assume he has an allowance.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 04:29
|
|
|
Spiritus Nox posted:I can see how it'd be more frustrating when you're waiting a week in between each episode and you haven't had enough hints dropped before hand that this is going to go for 8 episodes. Although, I still have no loving idea how people got more than 3 or 4 episodes into this without seriously considering the possibility that the Endless 8 Arc would be 8 episodes long. People considered it. They just didn't want it to be true. Also at the time, nobody knew that Disappearance was gonna be a movie yet, hence why you get predictions for season 2 that assume that Disappearance and post-Disappearance stories would be aired.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 04:55
|
|
|
VostokProgram posted:Are there any episodes in this season after this? Yeah
|
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 04:58
|
|
|
Agronox posted:Theory: It didn't have to be homework, Haruhi just wanted someone to be enthusiastic about what they were doing and willing to take on a little leadership (possible foreshadowing when she's willing to give up being chief for a day during the cicada grab). I want to say it was just because homework is a mundane activity that she had not even considered it as something that could be done with friends. Instead, she focused on trying to do all the well-known summer memories but was probably left feeling hollow and discontent as a result. There's an interesting mirror between Haruhi and Kyon's character development that I've wanted to mention. With Haruhi, it's a movement towards accepting and embracing the mundane, for all its little joys and accomplishments, which ultimately caps off with Live Alive. Kyon heads in the complete opposite direction as fantastic events keep happening to him even though he supposedly wants a normal life.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 05:41
|
|
|
Spiritus Nox posted:...Wait. Yeah
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 01:13
|
|
|
Spiritus Nox posted:Oh, wow! That's weird. Since we'd started the new season and EE into this were clearly chronological, I'd assumed we'd gotten past the S1 timeline. Nah, when S2 aired, it was inserted into a chronological broadcast of S1. When that re-broadcast began, people were speculating there were gonna be new episodes due to rumors until Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody finally aired, since KyoAni basically did not confirm at all whether S2 was gonna be a thing or not.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 01:16
|
|
|
In Training posted:Wow they didn't even announce new episodes, Bamboo leaf just appeared? Insane Yeah, we got one Twitter? post or something from one of the broadcast stations about the how the rebroadcast was gonna be 28 episodes and that's when people started seriously thinking there were gonna be new episodes. Otherwise, yeah it was all in the dark for everyone and why Endless Eight was probably as big of a shock as it was too.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 01:20
|
|
|
I remember how suddenly there were no fansub groups ready for it because no one anticipated it, so good subs took a while too.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 01:21
|
|
|
Spiritus Nox posted:I'm not sure she counts as a friend. I feel like I've only seen Kyon and Tsuruya speak like twice in this whole show. What's-his-face and whoever-he-is have at least been around more consistently. Yeah, he first met her at the baseball game if I remember correctly, and Mikuru was who brought her in. Tsuruya's deal will always be intriguing to me but that's not covered in the anime anyways, other than a couple of gags in Haruhi-chan.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 01:42
|
|
|
Yes_Cantaloupe posted:Yes! Watching this with Live Alive puts things in a different perspective. It turns this from the end of the TV show to a point in her journey. I meant to mention that. The fact that Haruhi's (and others', as has been mentioned) worst moments come at the end of the two seasons is unfortunate. I suppose it isn't an issue for those who watch chronologically. From a book-reader's perspective, you're basically jumping from Melancholy straight into Sighs as well, since Sighs was Vol. 2. It takes the next couple volumes for her character to get softened out.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 02:20
|
|
|
TheKingofSprings posted:Kyon grows up a lot in all of the big arcs, a problem I've noticed with them is his development seems to retread a few points though from arc to arc, that could just be him backpedalling a bit on it before it really sets in, I'll admit. He starts being more self-aware about his tendencies by Intrigues though, I want to say, though that's mainly because Disappearance was a big enough deal that he realized he couldn't keep ignoring certain things.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 15, 2015 02:38
|
|
|
In Training posted:Its because its the last line of S1. Yeah basically. He tells her at the beginning of Sighs in the book.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 17, 2015 02:25
|
|
|
If I remember right, hospital bed Kyon is just the stabbed Kyon brought back by future Kyon, but they also had to make a scenario for how he got hospitalized since Haruhi would want to know what happened.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 05:31
|
|
|
VostokProgram posted:He doesn't have any stab wounds, though Yeah, my memory's a little fuzzy about what happened even though I read those books a couple weeks ago. Koizumi has one of his speculations about those fuzzy three days too so it's left a little unclear.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 05:34
|
|
|
I'm still amused about how disappointed Koizumi is that he hasn't gotten the chance to have a time-travel adventure yet. It's one of those little characterizations I like in the post-Disappearance stories.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 05:36
|
|
|
Well, just reread it myself since it's unlikely we'll ever see future Kyon's perspective animated. Yeah, Nagato healed the stab wounds if anyone needed confirmation, as well as setting up the scenario where Kyon hit his head since he was comatose from blood loss.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 05:49
|
|
|
StandardVC10 posted:The impression I got having watched only the first season was a fun little comedy/sci-fi/drama/school mashup thing with good production values, that worked pretty well as a self-contained unit. With S2 and the movie, they're doing something quite a bit more ambitious - I haven't watched Endless Eight yet, but the rest of S2 + the movie really felt like they belonged together as part of some larger self-referential (thanks to all the time travel) narrative. It's why I'm hesitant on a S3 because it does move further away from the school hyjinx that's core in the first two seasons, as it starts exploring the world outside the SoS Brigade. That said, the next big SoS brigade event does end in a very nice climactic heartwarming way as Haruhi would do it, so that's still around, if less prevalent. Thinking about it, I'd argue it's the short story compilations that give a lot of life to the Haruhi series, and he hasn't done one ever since he went for the big arcs unfortunately.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 06:04
|
|
|
VostokProgram posted:Can someone confirm if my timeline of events is correct? Yeah, that's pretty correct for the most part. Yuki brought comatose Kyon Prime back and pushed him down the stairs.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 06:13
|
|
|
VostokProgram posted:I'm not too worried about it. The only reason I brought it up is that every other time I thought they would "merge" characters like that, they didn't and instead did a cool workaround, like having Kyon and Mikuru in Yuki's apartment for three years. I was mostly wondering if there's a similarly cool explanation for what happens to the Kyon that existed a second before Yuki put Kyon Prime in his place at the top of the stairs. It's somewhat vague to be honest. Like I said, Itsuki has another of his fun speculations about it. He's also gotten into the habit of drawing diagrams for everything now.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 06:20
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 12, 2024 05:05 |
|
|
Radio Spiricom posted:i want more seasons but only if they're as ambitious and take as many chances as the first two and the movie. which would never happen Well, S3 would be a big time loop with some fun SOS brigade activities, as well as returning to Disappearance for Kyon to do his thing there. S4 would be the real ballsy season though I would imagine.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 19, 2015 06:26
|
|