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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium > The Football Funhouse > Baylor Rape Scandal: Bad Art? Scandal Bombards Brazos Bruins
 
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
indeed, the mere consumption of alcohol turns a man into a serial assaulter

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

Frackie Robinson posted:

Drinking doesn't make predators, but it sure as hell makes prey.

your a massive idiot

* # ¿ Aug 22, 2015 14:14
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
dozens of people came together to cover up a serial assaulter's past and bring him into a situation where he could assault or rape more women. let's solve this problem by telling the women they'll get a fine if they drink

* # ¿ Aug 22, 2015 14:15
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

Frackie Robinson posted:

Between the chaplain's testimony after talking to both people and the relatively light sentence, it's almost like there could be ambiguities to this case that we don't know anything about.

yor a loving idiot jackass......its astounding to me

* # ¿ Aug 24, 2015 22:26
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
"and you say you'd been drinking on the night in question" *rape victim nods* *officer robinson tears up case file while shaking his head sadly*

* # ¿ Aug 24, 2015 23:14
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

Roasted Donut posted:

welcome back to obscurity baylor

You realize for you to be saying this you have to be residing in obscurity. Surely, you have owned yourself

* # ¿ May 27, 2016 00:05
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?


has ken starr never waved in his life or what

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
TO WAVE IN HUMAN GREETING

Prepare rictus
Engorge neck folds
Raise claw

* # ¿ Jun 5, 2016 19:33
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
gently caress i was just assaulted. ow that hurts physically and emotionally

now where'd i put that checklist of poo poo i gotta do in order to satisfy the doubts of football likers

* # ¿ Jun 8, 2016 02:05
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
No source, no evidence, no problem

* # ¿ Jun 9, 2016 14:32
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
you're an idiot

* # ¿ Jun 11, 2016 04:17
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
here you go i googled "campus sexual assault process" then clicked on a link using the mouse, the peripheral device attached to almost all computers http://knowyourix.org/why-schools-handle-sexual-violence-reports/

* # ¿ Jun 11, 2016 04:32
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
Baylor is not prepared, no. That doesn't mean they should encourage the dude to transfer, it means they should shape the gently caress up

* # ¿ Jun 12, 2016 20:06
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
As I understand the system, victims can either start a school-level investigation, a criminal investigation, or both. The school has the power to suspend or expel a student and uses the standard of civil courts, "a preponderance of evidence." A criminal investigation obviously would have the usual criminal investigation powers of casting doubt and blame on the victim and excusing the crime--er i mean jail time for the perpetrator. This is coming from my reading of the link i posted earlier. I'll see if I can find anything clearer later.

I think this system sucks because it places the onus on the victim to do too much of the work, but it could be made easier with good administration.

All of that said, encouraging the accused to transfer so the investigation will go away is the slimiest poo poo imaginable

* # ¿ Jun 13, 2016 00:54
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
i'm sorry, i don't follow college football all that much. is baylor not moderate rear end at college football

* # ¿ Jun 14, 2016 13:32
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
this is basically an update of woody allen's two old ladies in a nursing home joke

"i hate these scum bag black players!" "yeah and they keep leaving my team!"

* # ¿ Jul 1, 2016 02:11
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

General Dog posted:

It's obviously not good, but if you read the actual AP report they're quoting from, Deadspin is slapping a fairly sensationalist headline on it. It reads like the alcohol policy acted as a passive deterrent for reporting, but not as something where a surly admin actively used it as a cudgel. It's sad, but it's not really anything we didn't already know.

are you legit retarded

* # ¿ Jul 31, 2016 20:39
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

quote:

"A number of victims were told that if they made a report of rape, their parents would be informed of the details of where they were and what they were doing," said Chad Dunn, a Houston attorney who represents six women who have sued Baylor under the anonymous identification of Jane Doe.
there i read the original AP report. i have pasted paragraph three where you are proven highly wrong

* # ¿ Jul 31, 2016 20:40
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

General Dog posted:

I agree, but the Deadspin article strongly implies the former, which is both misleading and does a disservice to the real issue at hand.

gently caress you

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
i miss helldump. look at all of the incredibly stupid poo poo you've posted

General Dog posted:

Banning alcohol might go a long way.
god you're an idiot

General Dog posted:

Drinking doesn't make predators, but it sure as hell makes prey.
incredibly stupid victim shaming

General Dog posted:

I agree with all of that. Their failure to sever all ties with this guy (or at least keep his rear end away from team facilities) the minute the indictment came down is absolutely what deserves the most ridicule here.

The rest of it- the investigation, the lack of concern for the victim's interests, and all that are administrative failings, and I'd venture they have a lot more to do with incompetence than corruption.
proven wrong

General Dog posted:

Ever noticed how all the top teams have like 15 players arrested every year? If this Baylor thing even registers with anyone as out of step with the sport as a whole, I don't know what they've been watching.
what the gently caress

General Dog posted:

I'm only defending (just downplaying really) the actions of the football team, not of the administration. Yes, the football team should have kicked this guy off when he was indicted, but it was administration's job to kick the guy out of school, and to take care of the victim's intetests.

And I don't see a lot of evidence that administration handled the case with kid gloves because the guy was a football player, as has been the implication in a lot of the reporting on this story. I think its equally likely that they just sucked at their jobs. That you had non police being asked to handle a police matter.
proven wrong. football coaches actively impeded any title ix investigation and your second paragraph is loving laughable

General Dog posted:

Between the chaplain's testimony after talking to both people and the relatively light sentence, it's almost like there could be ambiguities to this case that we don't know anything about.
again i wonder if you have a developmental disability

General Dog posted:

Baylor's not even my team, I just want to assume the best about people. Maybe I'm crazy, but I can't bring myself to believe that administrators, chaplains, and a full jury are all conspiring to try to get a player who doesn't even matter from getting in trouble for rape so they can increase Baylor's win expectancy by 0.15 games or something. Even in a post-Sandusky world, maybe especially in a post-Sandusky world, that seems insane to me.
.15 huh. what's the square root of this rape charge

General Dog posted:

Mine too.

I think the point I've been circling around every time one of these scandals comes up for the past several years is that this idea that football players tend to get preferential treatment from the law strikes me as received wisdom. When player after player gets off without punishment for this kind of thing, the media asks why it is football players always seem to get away with it. It's a fair question, but their scope is too small. The problem isn't that football players are never brought to justice for rape, it's that by and large nobody is ever brought to justice for rape. How many countless nobodies that we've never heard of have gone through the same joke of a system and slipped through the cracks in the same fashion? Whether the culprit is Jameis Winston or Joe Blow, rape is a really difficult thing to prove, and we live in a society that doesn't really want to think about it. Sure, maybe when it's a football player a few people may want to think about it a little less, but I think for the large part our focus on the sports element of these stories is missing the forest for the trees.

Now I'll hang up and let you talk Pawlll. I like the way I've posted as poster, a fan, and a human being.
indeed, truely you have been arguing for justice and not for putting your pants on your head and talking about how much you love trains

General Dog posted:

You know, having read the article I really don't have a good defense any more, I guess I've just got to admit that the amount of enjoyment I get watching the team outweighs the amount that this actually bothers me. I'm going to go ahead and forfeit my right to discuss this matter any further, because I'm unable to look at it objectively.
sign number 3 billion that you should get the gently caress out

General Dog posted:

If he's no longer at the school, and the incident didn't occur at Baylor, then why would the continue the investigation?
ah yes just as you were saying earlier, you believe in people being brought to justice, big time

General Dog posted:

I did. Although, if they've found enough that they've deemed it prudent to kick him out I'm not sure where else they need to go from there. They're wrong to kick them out, they're wrong to let them stay, what exactly is the right way to do this?
once again, i don't think your brain loving works

General Dog posted:

As difficult as rape accusations are to confirm, as we've seen at Baylor and also everywhere, I don't see anything wrong with the administration saying, "look, it's probably in everyone's best interest if you just leave." If he's committed a crime, it's not going to shield him from the criminal charges. If he's guilty, they've managed to get rid of a predator (for once), and if he's innocent, they're sparing him the life-ruining ramifications of going through an investigation under the microscope of the national press (the findings won't matter, he'll have had his name and "rape allegations" showing up together for months by the time it's over).

Maybe I'm showing my ignorance, but my impression is that the point of a campus investigation is to determine whether the student deserves punishment up to or including expulsion or not, not to create the all-time authoritative account of what exactly happened.

Edit: Make no mistake, I think there are plenty of valid criticisms to make of how Baylor has handled everything, I just think this is an odd thing to key in on.
and there we are, full MRA victim-doubting. took you long enough bitch

hey i know you started this thread so it doesn't make sense to tell you to get out, but you need to get the gently caress out right away

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

General Dog posted:

You're right the post history speaks for itself. I probably should have honored my word and stayed out of it, but I stand by all of the posts.

I'm okay dying on this hill.

good news, i just loving killed you. mission accomplished, you're dead, stop posting

* # ¿ Jul 31, 2016 21:23
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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
I'd call the AD too as a safeguard against getting fired for not doing it

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
Seriously, stop posting

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

General Dog posted:

Don't root for Texas

don't post

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
i know it's not much but when i saw that the browns had art briles in to help at practice, i went to their website and submitted the user feedback form and said i wasn't supporting the NFL in any way until he's gone

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

swickles posted:

Not really. The report was never recorded outside of whatever notes the people hearing it decided to take. I am sure someone somewhere wrote down some statements, but I am sure they were destroyed after giving the report to the Board. This whole thing was designed to make it so that nothing could be subpoenaed or leaked to the press.

i don't think a a law firm would just destroy stuff if their bosses tell them to, especially if it documents criminal activity. they're not slaves

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
brent gattis has already set his Facebook to private and non-searchable, or deleted it, because thats what pieces of poo poo do

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?
man the followup to dril is disappointing

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v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Was that the son that was molested?

"the"?

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