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BottledBodhisvata posted:Given that Bashir is maybe my favorite DS9 character, I'm really hoping that this special episode of his doesn't totally torpedo his character. They decided halfway into the series that he was secretly a genetically-enhanced super-genius.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Given that Bashir is maybe my favorite DS9 character, I'm really hoping that this special episode of his doesn't totally torpedo his character. It shits allover his character. Then they force him to roll in it till the series ends.
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Aug 25, 2015 20:34
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Angela Christine posted:What do you do with people who have the dumb but still buy into the party line of 'working to improve ourselves' despite having no useful skills or interesting talents?
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Aug 25, 2015 20:40
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The General posted:It shits allover his character. Then they force him to roll in it till the series ends.
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Aug 25, 2015 20:44
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I would honestly spend my time on a starship stacking crates and boxes, cause eventually we'll get to a baller planet for some shore leave. Though why O'brien doesnt just the transporter to do it, I dunno.
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Aug 25, 2015 20:45
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Given the number of missions that involve emergency transporter rescues, shouldn't the enterprise D have moved Picard's office to 40 feet down the hall and put in a bank of transporters in its place, so you'd not have to rely on your comm badge reaching O'Brien down in his pit to get the message and time it right? Wouldn't it help him to see a loving view screen of that which he needs to target for transport? Oh wait, Livingston wanted something with a view. Captain's privilege I guess.
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Aug 25, 2015 20:48
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shadow puppet of a posted:Given the number of missions that involve emergency transporter rescues, shouldn't the enterprise D have moved Picard's office to 40 feet down the hall and put in a bank of transporters in its place, so you'd not have to rely on your comm badge reaching O'Brien down in his pit to get the message and time it right? Wouldn't it help him to see a loving view screen of that which he needs to target for transport? You're making the classic mistake of trying to think about something in Star Trek rationally. Once you go down that rabbithole there's no bottom. Next thing you know you'll be asking why the bridge is a fragile little hood ornament instead of buried in the center of the ship or how a race of thick-skulled warrior bros like the Klingons managed to invent the warp drive.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:02
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Tujague posted:We could write a good script about people who have poo poo jobs like that and throw on some DS9-style critique of the Federation and some "Why is O'Brien the only enlisted man in the Federation?" crap and it would be better than these silly, overwrought fanmades. I'm sure Robert Picardo would jump onboard. The only time I can remember enlisted personnel was that DS9 episode where the Defiant was chasing Jem'Hadar ships in the atmosphere of some gas giant. There were enlisted engineers with actual speaking roles, and O'Brien tells Worf to ease up on them and stop yelling at them because they weren't officers and haven't been to the academy. I wanna see a show about those guys, not yet another Adventures of Captain Swinging Dick and His Shithead Bridge Officers.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:03
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Kenzie posted:The only time I can remember enlisted personnel was that DS9 episode where the Defiant was chasing Jem'Hadar ships in the atmosphere of some gas giant. There were enlisted engineers with actual speaking roles, and O'Brien tells Worf to ease up on them and stop yelling at them because they weren't officers and haven't been to the academy. Muniz!!!! 
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Aug 25, 2015 21:17
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I like how they couldnt really decide what rank Obrien had on TNG so they kept just kinda throwing pins at his neck.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:20
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shadow puppet of a posted:Given the number of missions that involve emergency transporter rescues, shouldn't the enterprise D have moved Picard's office to 40 feet down the hall and put in a bank of transporters in its place, so you'd not have to rely on your comm badge reaching O'Brien down in his pit to get the message and time it right? Wouldn't it help him to see a loving view screen of that which he needs to target for transport? They're probably closer to the core for <energy reasons> but more realistically, until the Saturn project, we always built our vehicles for humans and not logic and even then we still kind of do I mean why else do our rockets and space station have windows when you could put more instrumentation and other useful poo poo there. loving right it's captain's privilege. Besides, by your logic it wouldn't end at transporters. Holodecks, main engineering and the captain's quarters should just be one big open design room next to the bridge for troubleshooting purposes. e: with tin cups and rope.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:29
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All I know is that the Enterprise functions as a rescue ship 25% of the time and the bridge explicitly excludes the person that operates the greatest emergency rescue device ever invented. "Number one, please ensure I never hear a shred of advice or input from that glorified elevator operator prior to me directly asking for it" LCARS, for all its contextual wonderment seems to be unable to replicate the two finger uppie slidey gesture on any other surface. Ah well. I guess I just enjoy being annoyed by Trek continuity. Worf: "Captian, the Dyson sphere is made of carbon neutronium, our weapons would be totally ineffective!" <exits sphere> Well, lets not bother carving out a few pieces to wrap around Ten Forward or anything. Nope, lets never mention this magical, space-proven, constructable, corrosion resistant, plentiful, incredibly strong, sensor-proof and capable of crushing the hull of a starship material ever again.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:42
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Why even have all these rooms the Enterprise has? Fencing room, just use a holodeck. Courtroom, holodeck. Hot-rear end mirror room, holodeck. And unrelated, I love how they dont seem to bother securing anything. One of the only good things ST:Enterprise did was actually take real ship and submarine design philosophy for their poo poo and SECURE HEAVY OR BREAKABLE THINGS
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Aug 25, 2015 21:42
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Gutcruncher posted:And unrelated, I love how they dont seem to bother securing anything. One of the only good things ST:Enterprise did was actually take real ship and submarine design philosophy for their poo poo and SECURE HEAVY OR BREAKABLE THINGS Whenever they show someone's quarters on TNG and they have like glass coffee tables and goofy ornaments everywhere I wonder what must happen to people's quarters during those bridge scenes where they shake the camera.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:45
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Entropic posted:Whenever they show someone's quarters on TNG and they have like glass coffee tables and goofy ornaments everywhere I wonder what must happen to people's quarters during those bridge scenes where they shake the camera. All of Worfs knives and swords and dangerous pointy trophies shred the poo poo our of his upholstery and he's gotta replace his furniture every goddamn week.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:50
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shadow puppet of a posted:Not a comedy, a story of those trod on by the blithe principles of the prime directive and being squeezed to death by the handcuffed invisible hand of oppressed market economics in a post-scarcity world. A show about sweeping up the hair clippings of some rear end in a top hat that gets to spend four weeks on Risa because he was was a lil' stressed after sending a dozen of your friends to their death because he wanted to try and rescue his collar-pipped bestie. Yeah, you probably need to spend two million to put a navy captain and crew at sea, because it's harder to wave away irregularities in visuals or whatever.  The General posted:I will admit I have terrible tastes, I also really liked the episode GROPOS. GROPOS was corny but it at least didn't try to have the same two grunts being involved with nearly every aspect of the episode's plot. Also I love how the big bar brawl starts. Gutcruncher posted:I like how they couldnt really decide what rank Obrien had on TNG so they kept just kinda throwing pins at his neck. O'Brien was a lieutenant until like season 4, at which point he was "chief petty officer" which didn't have a rank pip because when TNG started there was no such thing as enlisted people in TNG.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:56
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Gutcruncher posted:Why even have all these rooms the Enterprise has? Fencing room, just use a holodeck. Courtroom, holodeck. Hot-rear end mirror room, holodeck. poo poo dude why not just build the ship out of holograms
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Aug 25, 2015 21:58
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Entropic posted:You're making the classic mistake of trying to think about something in Star Trek rationally. Once you go down that rabbithole there's no bottom. Next thing you know you'll be asking why the bridge is a fragile little hood ornament instead of buried in the center of the ship or how a race of thick-skulled warrior bros like the Klingons managed to invent the warp drive. To be fair it's not just Star Trek, though. Pretty much any space opera will fall apart if you pick at it long enough.
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Aug 25, 2015 21:59
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:poo poo dude why not just build the ship out of holograms Screw that, its all about inflatable ships nowadays. 
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Aug 25, 2015 22:02
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:To be fair it's not just Star Trek, though. Pretty much any space opera will fall apart if you pick at it long enough. You just gotta remember that you're probably putting more thought into it than the writers or producers did.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:04
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Entropic posted:or how a race of thick-skulled warrior bros like the Klingons managed to invent the warp drive. 
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Aug 25, 2015 22:10
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Entropic posted:You're making the classic mistake of trying to think about something in Star Trek rationally. Once you go down that rabbithole there's no bottom. Next thing you know you'll be asking why the bridge is a fragile little hood ornament instead of buried in the center of the ship or how a race of thick-skulled warrior bros like the Klingons managed to invent the warp drive. I think it was explained Klingons were supposed to have a caste system and we only ever saw warriors, lawyers, and the Klingon Chef.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:13
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Luigi Thirty posted:I think it was explained Klingons were supposed to have a caste system and we only ever saw warriors, lawyers, and the Klingon Chef. That would make Worf's japanophile-like obsession with the klingon warrior caste even sadder.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:21
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skasion posted:
The best thing about Season 2 is Picard and Wesley go on a road trip and Picard sets up the backstory for one of the best episodes of the franchise: It's a Wonderful Life. Zeno-25 posted:Also TNG sucks until season 3-4, or whenever after the writers' strike was resolved and the Borg show up The Borg are hinted at in Season 1 and actually show up in Season 2
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Aug 25, 2015 22:47
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Entropic posted:That would make Worf's japanophile-like obsession with the klingon warrior caste even sadder. His old man would have been warrior-caste too, since Mogh was on the High Council. I seriously think you guys are getting carried away and being too harsh on Worf here. We're not talking about some pasty fatass nerd obsessing over another country because he finds them ~exotic~, we're talking about a guy who wants to connect with the society his dead parents belonged to. Now, if Wesley Crusher was all "fuckin', Klingons are the best space empire, they're the most honorable, I only watch Klingon operas with subs not dubs"... Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 25, 2015 |
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Aug 25, 2015 22:54
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Entropic posted:You just gotta remember that you're probably putting more thought into it than the writers or producers did. I wouldn't necessarily say that. Nick Meyer knew going in that when he was asking for a "run out the guns" sequence in Wrath of Khan, with the crewmen pulling up the grating in the torpedo bay, that it was an anachronistic and essentially absurd visual; but he wanted it anyway and he got it, and as a visually dramatic scene, it works.
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Aug 25, 2015 22:59
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When Geordi got promoted they gave him O'Brien's rank pips because they couldn't be bothered to hit up the replicator.
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Aug 25, 2015 23:19
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:GROPOS was corny but it at least didn't try to have the same two grunts being involved with nearly every aspect of the episode's plot. *flying jump kick off a table* The episode with the maintenance guys could've worked if one of them wasn't straight out of a New York cop show from the 80s. And if it wasn't in Season 5 and forced to involve not-Ivanova and the telepath Renaissance fair.
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Aug 25, 2015 23:23
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There was a TNG ep about junior officers that was pretty good. It was only an hour long, so they only covered kissing Riker's rear end and attending Worf's kung-fu school, but it would be fun to see a whole season of them gradually deciding that the senior staff was retarded, helplessly sitting in the dark while space slugs try to eat the ship for the 100th time, getting booted off the holodeck by Data in a Sherlock Holmes outfit and applying for other jobs after learning that the Enterprise was a lovely billet that wasn't worth the prestige You could twerk footage of the crewmembers rolling their eyes and making covert jerk-off hand gestures into old TNG episodes like the DS9 guys did for Trouble with Tribbles
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Aug 25, 2015 23:26
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Tujague posted:getting booted off the holodeck by Data in a Sherlock Holmes outfit "Oh great, the sole functional holodeck is now an irish village, permanently, because our captain cant come out and admit that she finally wants to gently caress a hologram" "Oh great, nobody gets to be promoted into the role of Morale Officer now that Shitnix is gone because addressing the promotion issue again would force Madam Captian to explain to Harry why he didn't get the job"
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Aug 25, 2015 23:40
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Voyager remade as a farce would be pretty good I think.
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Aug 25, 2015 23:44
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:His old man would have been warrior-caste too, since Mogh was on the High Council. nah worf is definitely a mega weeaboo and it rules but its never stated directly like. remember that worf is culturally and socially human and was raised in fuckin minsk, and had very little contact w/ klingons (if any really, i dont recall exactly) before TNG starts. so hes like "no i could not couple with these humans, they are too. fragile." and then it turns out worf was a fuckin virgin until he knocked up that one klingon lady who had alexander lmao. and worf is all HONOUR HONOUR HONOUR when every klingon we meet just pays honour lip service while being just about as cynical and pragmatic as anyone else. jadzia dax is a better and less weird/forced klingon than worf is in ds9, in the later seasons where theyre directly juxtaposed as a couple. and when worf really lets someone into his life on a personal level, like at the end of TNG when hes dating troi, he doesnt take them to klingon programs on the holodeck but the freakin shores of the black sea at night. hes very thoroughly human and just emulates klingonism from what is depicted in his anime magazines and it rules really hard
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Ambrose Burnside posted:nah worf is definitely a mega weeaboo and it rules but its never stated directly hahaha Worf is Space Rachel Dolezal
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shadow puppet of a posted:
Whoa hold on there guy If their weapons can't penetrate it and it's harder than literally anything on the ship, how exactly would you suggest 'carving out a chunk'? Neutronium is the poo poo neutron stars are made of, you know, the single star-sized atomic nucleus? The stuff that you always read those cool quotes about like a teaspoon weighs as much as Mount Everest? Remember, neutrons are bound by the weak nuclear force which shits all over the electromagnetic one. Separating one part from the other is literally nuclear fission. And even if they remotely had the insane level of technology required to take a chunk, that would mean damaging a relic whose age and value wreck any previous definition of those terms. The creators would have used entire star systems to build that thing, literally demolished stars and planets to make it. Do you think Picard, the passionate archeologist, sworn defender of civilisation, would engage in an act of such extreme desecration to improve his the chances of his ship, already the best in the fleet, in a firefight? Finally would it improve his chances? The Defiant has it right, it uses ablative armour, which means it's easier to destroy than the ship is. The destruction of the armour uses so much energy than a minimum is transferred to the hull. A stronger material would just channels and focus the blast energy, making the ship far easier to destroy.
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Aug 26, 2015 00:40
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Plus it would probably make the ship a lot less maneuverable, if it's heavy.
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Aug 26, 2015 00:44
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recall that the first time worf has sex hes literally like "so now we're married right" to the lady and shes like "man what even is your DEAL cant we just bang" and worf is devastated that he does not marry the first klingon woman he sleeps with lol
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Aug 26, 2015 00:46
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Worf, a Klingon culture weeaboo, just assumes that's how it always works with other Klingons.
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chaosbreather posted:how exactly would you suggest 'carving out a chunk'?  chaosbreather posted:The Defiant has it right, it uses ablative armour, which means it's easier to destroy than the ship is. The destruction of the armour uses so much energy than a minimum is transferred to the hull. A stronger material would just channels and focus the blast energy, making the ship far easier to destroy. Ah yes ablative armor. Just the thing for a deep space mission, armor that needs to be continually replenished through extra vehicular activity. They should have detached the saucer section and stuck the warp-drivey part on the back of the sphere and tootled around the galaxy as a giant hamster ball, using the main gate as a gun barrel to unleash some hot death from that sun bouncing around the flying dyson sphere.
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Other systems? That seems kind of barbaric in comparison. A civilisation that can harness a star shouldnt need raw materials. A Dyson sphere isn't cool because of what it is (it totally is tho) but what it implies about its creators and builders. If replicators are limited by energy consumption, surely a star sidesteps that problem.
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Trying to be realistic w/ star trek is dumb b/c trek is really good when its doing the classic sci-fi thing of handwaving away material considerations/limitations to explore really interesting concepts that have some intellectual or social/cultural hook to them, and extremely bad when its doing the hard sci-fi "wow this cargo configuration wouldnt hold up to the inertial dampers fluctuating very well" thing
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