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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

cheerfullydrab posted:

Think how little Picard addresses the whole ship to tell people what's going on. Working the majority of jobs on the Enterprise must be this terrifying experience where you never know if you're going to have something unimaginably horrifying happen to you or your loved ones at any second. Think of the frantic rumors spreading up and down when there's Klingons on the starboard bow. Wait staff at Ten Forward probably shake all the time and have terrible PTSD from constantly wondering if they're going to get exploded. It's the uncertainty of things that really gets you.

At least once a week your quarters shake like an earthquake and some sirens start blaring but then everything's OK. Usually. But there's a decent chance that you'll eventually get zapped by a marauding borg that just teleported into the hallway, or a spatial anomaly will melt you into the floor or something. But probably everything will be fine. And you'll never even known about half the horrifically dangerous stuff that could have killed you because they only bother to tell the senior officers.

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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Ambrose Burnside posted:

remember how the federation sent a probable tens of thousands of civilians to their completely unnecessary deaths at wolf 359 cause nobody ever bothered to separate the saucer section before combat after, like, the first episode

I think that was mainly because either half the ship looks so loving dumb on its own.

And they were stuck with Rodenberry's idea that families and civilians would be on these big heavily-armed but-totally-not-actually-a-warship ships because who knows why.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Lord of Pie posted:

You can get all the danger and excitement of being a low ranking Starfleet officer by staying home and playing solitaire on a monitor that will explode and lodge itself in your brain if you lose

Star Trek is the alternate timeline where fuses were never invented.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Powered Descent posted:

Agreed on the fraternization thing, but I'd love to hear the explanation of why Starfleet isn't military. :allears:

Something something Rodenberry Utopia

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

Right, but they're absolutely military. I mean we could call the US Navy the Oceanic Survey and Exploration Committee and Super Friendship Club but it is not fooling anyone.

It is a government sponsored exploration arm that is also used as its primary warfighting force. I don't want to argue semantics over a scifi show but seriously IDK how you could not consider it military

Weirdly it seemed like in TOS, Rodenberry and the other show-runners had no problem with Starfleet basically being the military and the Enterprise being a military vessel, even if it was one on an 'exploration' mission. It wasn't until TNG that Rodenberry seemed to really start pushing his weird utopian ideas about what the Federation was supposed to be. Like you never saw kids and families on the original Enterprise.

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