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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
No, but it would give the paramilitaries a chance to beat more people up.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

1/10. Must try harder in future.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Borneo Jimmy posted:

Ah the trusty "They're guerilla collaborators!" canard that Colombia uses whenever somebody dares to criticize it's human rights abuses, or anybody they deem "subversive". Of course you also made the ridiculous claim that right-wing paramilitaries don't exist anymore so its fascinating to come across someone who genuine believes in the transparent propaganda of a bunch of narco-terrorists.

Y'know, it's really sad that I hope you're just a troll because if you're serious then you're a completely reprehensible human being.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Kurtofan posted:

What's the beef with Guyana?

They're there.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Borneo Jimmy posted:


You are a shameful human being.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
I'm glad Venezuela kicked these assholes out. Anyone mourning the Chavistas because of the "global left" needs to actually learn something about them.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Ardennes posted:

Either way they (the populist right) have a more active voice in the government, and even if the Tea Party movement itself disappeared, it has had long lasting influence on the GOP. Trump may very well win the nomination in part because of it, something that wouldn't have happened 20 years ago.

Trump getting the nomination doesn't necessarily mean a thing.

Mondale got the Dem nod in '84 and look how that turned out.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

El Hefe posted:

Maduro is already calling out the MUD because there are still lines everywhere and they haven't fixed anything lol

Have they even taken office yet?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

El Hefe posted:

not until January

Truly the PSUV's loss is a huge blow to the Global Left.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Woolie Wool posted:

:qq: But the evil American-Colombian-OPEC-international-drug-cartel far-right conspiracy is oppressing us! :qq:

(who did I leave out of the conspiracy)


Jews, Spaniards, the Pope, and Masons.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Borneo Jimmy please never go to Venezuela, we don't need another Malcolm Caldwell.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Borneo Jimmy posted:

It's called economic sabotage to force a change in government. Remember that the president of Polar has already been caught was caught discussing ways to overthrow the PSUV. Of course right wing businessmen are okay with people dying.

Be quiet Malcolm.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
So Borneo Jimmy, now that Caro is confirmed alive and well, why exactly haven't you gone to Venezuela to help the Chavistas in their noble fight against the CIA/Jew Lizard/Moon People Conspiracy?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
I suddenly have the notion to fit out a big yacht with a bunch of fridges and run beer into Venezuela.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Labradoodle posted:

Where no one will buy from you because they won't be able to afford your prices even if you sold them at face value. Even if you sold your beers at $1 buck a pop that'd still be a little bit over a tenth of a Venezuelan's monthly wage. For example, I just had a beer at a place near my home and when the bill came I was surprised to find it cost Bs500 (freaking Zulia beers, I take back what I said earlier), which is approximately 1/20th of a monthly wage. I could've had a cheaper beer at like Bs200-300 but I didn't think it'd be that expensive.

You'd make more money getting shitfaced with those beers on your trip over, buying cheap gas here and then reselling it elsewhere.

That's fine, I can just trade the beer for cheap gas :pseudo:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Stay safe, fnox.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

Did the people in this thread educate themselves a bit about the history of CIA intervention in Latin America since last time I checked or are they still supporting the totally legitimate and democratic color revolution in Venezuela

God, it's like clockwork.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s

You realize most of the posters in this thread are actually from Venezuela, right? And that they're telling you that you're totally, completely, ridiculously wrong?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

The other thing that you folks need to understand about all these evil "crazy" brown/oriental dictators that your media keeps warning you about, is that they only get to be where they are in the first place, and to be able to maintain a strong enough base of popular support for their "authoritarian" policies, because they are seen as the only line of defense against foreign imperialism and the brutal pressures of international capitalism. If you want the "strongmen" to go away, you should work towards making your own government stop systematically harassing/threatening/attacking every country that ever questions its hegemony, and allow the people of the world to have some self-determination without policing the outcome.

You aren't even reading this thread are you?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

Using the historical record, facts, methods that have proven themselves, and reasoning with a critical mind to come to a conclusion is not "guessing".
Ignoring all of the above and going "it's gonna be different this time, I have faith" is not really guessing either but it's naive, wrong, and insane according to one popular definition of insanity.

You are not saying anything.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

orange sky posted:

So now a loving plane crashes in the ocean?

Things aren't going well

What are the odds that this was an assassination?

Depends who was on it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

and i must meme posted:

lol the position on jacobin from actual tankies is that they are imperialist shills
i've seen fairly moderate leftists threaten to unsubscribe because of their position on venezuela

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/884433708752568322

read the replies to this tweet and see what i mean. i can't get my head around it

Oh look, Syrian war crimes denier Max Blumenthal shows up in the replies.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

I know this is very difficult for you all to understand but please do continue paying attention to what happens in Venezuela after regime change and there's a possibility you might get it

You've got a lot of gall to say this to actual loving Venezuelans.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Yeah, you posted something equally crazy.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Vaya con Dios, Venezuela.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Thug Lessons you admitted to trolling the Middle East thread, why are you trolling this one too?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Thug Lessons posted:

I did no such thing.

Liar.

Thug Lessons posted:

I love this. To be honest I live for this. The despicable pro-Assad people tell me the same things when I go into their spaces and tell them he's a piece of poo poo, almost word for word. I don't care about atrocities, I'm an anti-Arab racist, only difference is that "defending fascism" is replaced with "defending imperialism". I know I'm doing a good job when the hysterical partisans of either side can't do anything except resort to insane hyperbole.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

tekz posted:

I don't know what he's like on Venezuela, but he's one of the few sane voices on Syria.

No he isn't he's a war crime denier.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Bob le Moche posted:

I don't think you know what agency means

:ironicat:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
The situation in Venezuela is so bad that austerity would actually be an improvement.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
loving hell, if a high-ranking Chavista ordered a hit on Rubio that's a better casus belli than the U.S. has had against another nation since World War Two.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Grouchio posted:

The article I was reading thought that it was Betancourt, his socialism and the nationalization of the Oil fields that did Venezuela in: https://mises.org/blog/venezuela-chavez-prelude-socialist-failure

:stare:

Well, congrats on making this thread agree with Bob le Moche about something, I guess.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
This is an apparently for real thing that's happening in Venezuela:

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/966026159157858310

I don't...

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

punk rebel ecks posted:

Thanks for the response Saladman.

I'm curious though, why is Bolivia doing relatively well being that they followed the same type of left wing populism as Venezuela?

Left-wing populism isn't what's gone wrong with Venezuela.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

RagnarokZ posted:

Eh, the cars were all broken anyways, can't repair an engine with crude oil.

True socialist Bolivars will build their own refineries at home and bury the world in refined petroleum products! The same plan worked so well for Chinese steel in the 60s, after all :downs:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
People should focus less on Venezuela in this, the Venezuela thread.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

R. Guyovich posted:

false equivalency is another extremely irritating thing that isn't punishable.

It's so cool how you're Venezuelasplaining to an actual Venezuelan.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Before he was arrested people in this thread treated him like another one of maduro's greasy goons. After his arrest the thread immediately shifted to him being a victim of maduro's paranoid purges, and now that it was outed that the arrested general was a coup plotter who met with the US the narrative is back to him being a goon.

These are not mutually exclusive positions just FYI.

Extrajudicial murder/imprisonment is a bad thing for everyone even if it happens to scumbags.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Lightning Knight posted:

I don’t precisely understand why they wouldn’t admit there’s a problem? Is it a propaganda thing? A pride thing?

Maduro and his henchmen are corrupt and incompetent on a massive scale.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Solaris 2.0 posted:

Hi Thread - just so I can educate myself and ask actual Venezuelans - the protests happening right now are organic right?

Yes they are.

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