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I don't think so. "Sure, that sounds like a good idea ....... IF YOU WANT TO MAKE US LIVE IN CHAVISTA VENEZULA" is going to be a right wing talking point whenver any vaguely progressive policy is brought up for at least the next decade I think. The fact that so many western leftists supported the current regime for so long (case in point the idiot in this very thread) will only make it more attractive to pundits and National Review types.
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punk rebel ecks posted:99% of the World: *GuardiansoftheGalaxyWho?.gif* "Liberals are cheering today's expansion of SNAP funding. But our guest economist today warns us that other nations experiments with government control of grocery stores haven't always ended well." *cut to archival footage of Caracas supermarket with line out the door* The current regime is far too convenient a boogeyman for Heritage Foundation types for it to be forgotten as quickly as you say. E: \/Hey, I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm just saying I'd be surprised if it isn't presented this way by the economic right in the US and Europe.\/ Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Sep 11, 2015 08:09
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I am glad we have someone here to tell us that the paramilitary gangs showing up at opposition rallies are in face cool and good.
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Nov 27, 2015 23:35
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What are the odds of something being pulled to compromise the election results before they go into effect?
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Dec 9, 2015 09:55
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Well, there's a few in this very thread, and anecdotally I know of at least a couple other middle class Venezuelans trying to emigrate to the US through some of my friends. I don't know if their is any truly reliable data or actual polls/ percentages though. It seems like Venezuela needs someone willing to basically fall on their sword for the country and make much needed but probably incredibly unpopular reforms, basically destroying any political future they may have in the process. Also, I know it shouldn't, but does kinda blow my loving mind that we can have people in country openly ask for help leaving ITT, and then still have that one guy come and post an article saying that actually things are good and cool in Venezuela.
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May 2, 2016 06:21
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Hey Jimmy why do you think every actual Venezuelan ITT disagrees with you?
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May 7, 2016 00:31
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Actually it is San Pedro Sula, followed by Juarez, both under control of ideological allies of the MUD Nope!
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May 7, 2016 01:02
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Has there been any research done on where exactly expat Venezuelans are ending up? Is it just a trickle of people who are lucky enough to have the means to leave or is there a full blown diapora?
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May 19, 2016 21:09
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Guys why are no tourists visiting Venezula  ?Tbh though if my Spanish was better I would be a little tempted to go to one of the smaller cities.
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May 26, 2016 15:45
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Jesus a loving country in collapsing in real time around us and no-one in the international media seems to care that much. I guess Venezulans are going to be the next big expat community here in the states huh. I hope the goon who was going to Sweden makes it out 
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May 30, 2016 23:21
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How strong is the sense of "Venezuelan" national identity as opposed to regional identity? Is there any possibility of the country fracturing?
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May 31, 2016 00:33
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drat I can't even imagine spending all your savings on a plane ticket and then the airline pulls out of the country. Jesus what a loving nightmare.
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Jun 1, 2016 07:47
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I have a white as hell friend who went earlier this year. He was fine. He's a 6'4 and blond so he definetly stood out. Outside of work he went straight from hotel to nice bar back to hotel, taking a car the hotel provided the whole time and was with locals though. Only notable story he had to tell was when he wanted to go home with some woman from the bar and the Venezulans he was with straight up wouldn't let him, telling him it was way too dangerous.
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Jul 14, 2016 02:53
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Well I guess you can't say he isn't a hands on leader.
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Sep 3, 2016 20:53
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That's a cool idea, but I would assume that most of the people with both the technical aptitude and disposable income to have a hobby like that would have already fled the country sadly. In WarPact countries engineers and such couldn't leave the country for the most part. VZ doesn't seem to be quite at that point yet, you can still buy a ticket and go. I'd love it if I was wrong though. The idea of some kind of Radio Free Venezuela is really cool and might be something that could help people out.
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Oct 30, 2016 11:50
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Yeah actually how uncensored is the Internet in VZ? Do you guys ever worry that posting anti-govt. sentiments on places like SA will get you in trouble, or are things not that bad? Or is the main limitation the bulk of the population simply not being able to afford to go online?
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Oct 30, 2016 22:06
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Wow, so some guy in an Alabama Home Depot could have a nontrivial impact on your economy if he just decided he was tired of running his website and quit one day. Better nothing heavy falls on him!
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Nov 23, 2016 01:27
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To be fair, I think there was a time where you could credibly argue that you weren't getting the whole story if you were going exclusively by the accounts of Venezlans with internet access and English fluency. That's not going to be a representative sample of the population. That time was obviously a loooooonnnnggg while ago, before people started eating zoo animals for food.
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Jan 9, 2017 22:35
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Oh cool, I had missed the Jacobin readers coming into the thread to "well, ACTUALLY..." all the Venezuelans here.
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Jun 29, 2017 05:15
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Still blows my mind how ITT there have been both Venezuelans frantically trying to escape the country, and foreigners smugly insisting that if we weren't so naive we'd realize this was all a imperialist plot, the people love chavismo. You'd think people would stop after Madura attempted to dissolve the assembly for fucks sake.
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Jun 29, 2017 06:16
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Man, the squandering of the oil windfall money has to be one of the greatest possible missed opportunities of the past century. Venezuela could have world class infrastructure, Caracas could have the best public transit in the world, the countries universities could have been built up to reduce dependence on oil, the list goes on. It frustrates me just thinking about it, and I've never even been there. I imagine pondering it must make Venegoons furious.
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Jun 29, 2017 10:48
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Classic SAD/SOG tactic of hiding in the house right there, thanks for opening my eyes bob. Now I know only brainwashed bootlickers would have a problem with this government.
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Jun 30, 2017 04:29
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You don’t have to defend the regime that’s starving thousands just because Trunmp said a mean thing about them! You’re allowed to think both are bad, I promise, it’s fine.
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Jan 23, 2019 21:44
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lol yes I am sure that the PSUV, which has literally been calling opposition figures CIA puppets for years, would have refrained from doing so had Trump just kept his mouth shut. drat you Donald!
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Jan 23, 2019 23:55
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wanting thousands to starve to own the libs
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Jan 24, 2019 00:11
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I loving wish I had one tenth the completely unearned self confidence of y’all who come into a thread about a country and lecture the people who actually live there about How Things Should Be, Don’t Be Decieved By Propaganda.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:16
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“You think everyone who disgarees with you is a tankie.  Now let me tell you why anyone with actual experience of the country in question who disagrees with me can be safely ignored...”
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Jan 24, 2019 00:33
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I just have friends there and the ‘heh, let me tell you how it really is, sheeple” dipshits are annoying enough as it is. If I was actually from Venezula or had family there I’d be loving furious at their arrogant asses. This actually really badly highlights the need for the US left to have a viable foreign policy apparatus, so that they can articulate an actual coherent vision for world affairs that doesn’t lead to US leftists becoming useful idiots for a regime that has people eating zoo animals for sustenance.
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Squalid posted:I'll say it again, they don't care about Venezuela, they don't know anything about Venezuela, and they aren't even really talking about Venezuela. Its why they keep shifting the conversation randomly to the subject of Iraq, to hypothetical invasions. For them this conversation isn't really about what Venezuelans want or need, what their future holds, or what's going to happen to them. They're here to talk about abstract principles of foreign policy, or to speculate on the interests of their own political class. They can't talk about the sanctions because they know literally nothing about them, nor anything about Maduro's supposedly socialist economic program. They don't care. Anyone who does, must REALLY be talking about their love of military invasions and bombing foreign countries, because the US war in Afghanistan is really what we need to be talking about right now right guys? I actually really don’t think that the average American DSA type would be Maduro fans if they had access to all of the facts (extremely online tankies, yeah ok sure). There just isn’t a leftist equivalent of Heritage Foundation that can actually develop and distribute political education on foreign policy. The closest thing you get is centrist/center left places like brookings, and they’re thinner on the ground and more conflicted than the Heritage type places anyway. What leftist think-tank type places do exist tend to focus exclusively on domestic policy. Anyway, enough America-posting in the VZ thread. Let’s say Maduro flees/retires/etc., but his party manages to hang on. Is there a clear line of succession or obvious guy next in line for the throne? Or is everyone so closely tied to him that if he goes it’s pretty much anyone’s bet who ends up in charge because he’ll take all of the senior fleet down with him.
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