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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

he's the deputy of the guy who is trying to do a coup d'etat and calling for a foreign invasion, not just an "opposition politician"

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

didn't zapplez not just have an alt but use it in thread(s) to agree with himself? lmao

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

"this guy who found me out is the creep not me" is a bold strategy but it might work

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Noshtane posted:

As far as communist papers go in Sweden

don't tire yourself out moving those goalposts

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

The US doesn't realize (but really really needs to) that it is seen as the bad guy in international stuff in contemporary geopolitics.

The only thing the US is willing to do is elect another Obama who will continue the bloody work of imperialism while using a nice face and soothing voice to cover the bloodstains.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

lol "regime"

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

VitalSigns posted:

Apparently not wanting a starvation crisis and wanting Venezuela to have a stable economy is bad, somehow

only if the perfidious celestial does it, if it's brave yankee doodle dandies then it's fine

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

Ah, so the China and Russia are standing in the way of the UN authorizing international intervention, not in the way of the Venezuelan people.

lol it took 5 or so pages to get him to post his sincere opinion and even then he's doing it in the most oblique way possible
useless shitposting of the highest order

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Pacho posted:

I think it needs to be pointed out that a good portion of the latin american left is pretty chuddie: Homophobic, Misogynist, Nationalistic, Militaristic, Chauvinist, etc. We call the old-guard "the dinosaurs" and the young chuddie-lefties "Machoprogres". "Fatherland or death" is an actual cry of the left here and they totally resent the "New Left" that is more progressive, calling them postmodernists, sjws and other alt-right terms

Guess which portion of the latinamerican left supports Maduro the most?

LOL you genius, BigFactory is literally lying his rear end off, as usual.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

About what?

BigFactory posted:

The dudes posting in this thread all seem to really, really like him It’s weird.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

Scouts honor. These guys coming in to troll seem to be (barely) skirting around real support for this dude. They seem to know it’s totally gross to actually come out and support Maduro but it’s right under the surface. But what do I know?

no they're not, you're fabricating because you're a liar

fnox posted:

If you read the CSPAM thread you can see that the support is not ironic.

another liar, but what else to expect from fnox

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

fnox posted:

Of all things you think this is a lie? It’a such a bizarre statement to make considering some guy spent 5 pages endlessly avoiding the simple question of “were people starving before 2017” just to not lose face with that crowd.

But OK then, help me out here. If you believe that the US is responsible for everything that is happening in Venezuela and that Maduro is not responsible for hunger, starvation, corruption, state violence or any of the things the UN as well as basically every human rights organization says he’s guilty of... what does that make you? Isn’t that a posture that is extremely convenient to Maduro, and extremely uncomfortable for Venezuelans?

the position you're presenting is almost nonexistent, that's why you're a liar

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Noshtane posted:

If we look at Venezuela today, how much of Venezuelas problems are you willing to blame on Maduro?
How much do you think the US is responsible for?

if we look at your post, how much of it is a deflecting non sequitur (all of it)

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

I didn’t make the rules.

lol there are no "rules"

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Yeah, find other fnoxes and ask them the question that sounds like Karl Rove thought it up. Brilliant idea.
Why not simply ask Venezuelans in Venezuela if they'd like the sanctions removed?

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Giggle Goose posted:

I do find it interesting that none of the Maduro apologists in this thread ever bring up the multitude of other nations who are also involved in the efforts to get rid of Maduro.

maybe because the "apologists" (lmao you're such a loving scumbag) know those countries are just following the big dog's lead

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

The EU also?

yes

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

It’s ok, I’ll read it if you write it.

lol it doesn't matter if you read it or not, it would be like trying to explain right and wrong to a lizard

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

Cool attitude! That’s a great way to bring people around to your way of thinking. Amen brother!

anyone with half a brain sees that you're not gonna get brought around by anything

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

Good debate and/or discussion!

I found it enjoyable and in the end, that's all that matters

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

oh no, looks like the guy giving these broad positive verdicts on american interventionism has no grasp on what actually happened and thinks history started in 2001

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

BigFactory posted:

When they mess things up they take 20 years to go back and fix them. What other country does that?

may you slip, fall, and break an extremity

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Rust Martialis posted:

As Newton believed in alchemy it doesn't call his mathematics into question per se, but it would render his opinion on chemistry suspect.

Likewise someone defending Tiananmen on the basis of left solidarity would kind of undermine the basis of their defending other nominally left governments.

quote him saying that he's defending tiananmen solely on the basis of left solidarity and you're golden

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Pharohman777 posted:

Please, explain how the Holodomor, a real historical famine-genocide, is nazi propaganda.

:allears:

the kind of word twisting on display here is why any discussion with these kinds of people is futile
the post he quoted is perfectly clear but he still had to lie about it in his "summary"
there's nothing productive to be gained through talking with him

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