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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Adventure Pigeon posted:

There've been a good number of socialists who were respectable and balanced. Olof Palme is a good example, so is Bernie Sanders. Given the presence of socialists who were not only successful, but decent human beings as well, it's always struck me as strange that so many far leftists, especially academic leftists, gravitated to Chavez and even Maduro. It's almost as though the ability to successfully implement policies and make a real, positive difference in the world is less important for them than the fiery, hateful rhetoric that characterizes so many of the bad examples of socialists. Of course, many of the supporters of said "bad examples" don't live where they govern, so the actual outcomes of their policies don't matter, whereas extremism and blind opposition to the US do. It's a very childish, very selfish outlook.

It's not "almost", it's "exactly". The dumb college communists slurp that poo poo right up as though it was purestrain golden maple syrup decanted directly from Karl Marx's cock. It's all about form over function.

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Boy, I can't wait for the next Venezuela Analysis article blaming this on the US!

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
In the unlikely event that it turns into a shooting war between Venezuela and Columbia, how do their respective militaries stack up?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I dunno, if you want to get rid of a couple of politically embarassing military officers, it seems like there'd be an easier way to do it than to crash a horribly expensive (for a south american country, at least) aircraft that may not be replaceable.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Does anyone seriously believe that the PSUV will in any way allow a fair election? Any canidate that might pose a serious threat will be barred from running, and if anyone looks like they'll win anyways they'll be arrested on trumped up charges, or the PSUV will blatantly steal the election.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Definitely keep posting them, having a man on the street perspective is a good thing for this thread.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

punk rebel ecks posted:

I mean even if it is true that the U.S. is supporting the right wing...so what? I'm pretty sure most major parties in developing countries are in the pockets of more industralized countries. You don't think the PSUV receives foreign checks as well? Political parties take money when they can get it.

The PSUV takes big checks from China. They havn't even been trying to hide it.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
How common were these lines at supermarkets before the PSUV took power?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I'm personally fine with anecdotes from people who actually live in Venezuela. They are considerably more reliable than whatever Borneo Jimmy, Salt Golem , regurgitates on a weekly basis.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Hey Borneo Jimmy, how much does the PSUV pay you to post here? It's not like more than a few people here are even eligible to vote in Venezuela.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

euclidian88 posted:

Is there any reason for adding Israel as one of the masterminds behind the Venezuelan right. I am struggling to think of many instances where they have had any direct involvement in South America. Other than Mossad abducting some ex-nazis.

They do a lot of lovely things but are way more focused on Arabic countries.

It's pretty much specifically racism.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Borneo Jimmy's modus operandi:

1) Post PUSV propaganda
2) When called on his bullshit, whine about the USA, as though some imaginary moral failing on their part absolves the PUSV of their crimes.
3) Repeat ad nauseam.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
The extension is absolutely intended to gently caress with the elections.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I'm starting to wonder if there's going to be a famine soon in Venezuela. :gonk:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Kavak posted:

And subsidizing the money lost with each price-controlled product isn't an option anymore because there's no money to begin with.

How did Venezuela mismanage their way into having to import so much of their food and what's stopping them from climbing out of it (Besides the whole lack of money)?

Venezuela mismanaged it's way into such a mess because for a long period of time, people who prioritize ideology over objective reality have held power. You can see their mindset by examining the posts of Borneo Jimmy.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Venezuela is well on it's way to becoming the second North Korea.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I wonder how long it's going to be before Maduro decides to take a page from Assad's book and set the military directly on the opposition. :gonk:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
OPEC just abandoned any and all production limits, meaning that oil prices are going to continue their nosedive; they're currently at around $40 a barrel. This can't be good news for Venezuela.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Phlegmish posted:

How do you think Maduro will respond to his party's near-inevitable loss?

Declaring the election invalid, followed by declaring martial law.

:smith:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Well, it's the start of good news, at least. I'm still expecting Maduro to declare martial law and order the arrest of all the opposition canidates, though.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
:aaa: Well that was unexpected. I was sure the military was firmly in Maduro's pocket.


Where is Borneo Jimmy? Has he hung himself with a wilted leek?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Frankly, I'd suggest immediately removing all price controls, de-nationalizing all the poo poo Maduro went after, and telling China to suck dick on the loans while applying for money from someone else. The IMF mabye?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
What prevents the legislature from just ignoring anything this committee tries to do?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
In a setback for the PSUV, the law firm handling both Campo Flores's defence and a lawsuit by the Venezuelan government against the owner sof the DolarToday website just withdrew from both cases after getting some bad publicity. :laugh:

http://www.alt-m.org/2015/12/16/venezuela-v-reality/

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
He's basically paid by the PSUV to post, so in a sense, yes, he is.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
More about the PSUV's drug trafficking..

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Welp, saw that one coming. I don't think anyone thought Maduro was seriously just going to roll over and give up.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
He wasn't really trying in the first place, to be honest.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

M. Discordia posted:

The U.S. promoting freedom in the Western Hemisphere by providing financial and logistical support to the pro-democracy forces in Venezuela is objectively good for both Venezuela and the U.S., and the only complaint I have is that we didn't do more of it and sooner.

By the way, it's no longer correct to refer to the MUD as "the opposition" -- the term you want, based on their overwhelming popular mandate in the last election and commitment to correct values of freedom, is "the only legitimate government in Venezuela," to which the socialist authoritarians are in sedition.

Careful, you'll make the poor Chavista's heads explode by implying they arn't the legitimate government.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
So how many ATMs just get bodily hauled away and sawed open on a daily basis?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Oh hey it's Borneo Jimmy, back from GBS.


(no one there likes him either :ssh:)

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Borneo Jimmy please stop posting things

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
On the contrary, Borneo Jimmy, go to Venezuela, and quickly.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Hey Borneo Jimmy I'm calling you out. Suppose everything you claim is true and there is actually a CIA backed conspiracy to out the PSUV, place them all in FEMA death camps, gas them with chemtrails, and replace them with a puppet US government.

How would that actually be any worse than the government Venezuela has now?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Well, we can totally treat those with homeopathic remedies, maaaan. :350:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I've always been amused by the cognitive dissonance required to believe that the CIA can have vast conspiracies going stretched throughout South America dedicated to bringing down the PSUV, entirely undetected, and yet they are supposedly incompetent enough that the opposition barely can win elections and random people on the internet can easily detect their machinations somehow.

If the CIA was really so competent then Maduro would be president of a hole in the ground and Venezuela would have the largest GNP in South America right now thanks to massive, expert exploitation of their natural resources and a boom of jobs from US companies outsourcing.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
It is extremely difficult to emigrate from Venezuela right now because of the way currency conversion works there. You basically can't do it unless you have friends/relatives outside the country willing to help you.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

The Lone Badger posted:

Where did all the drat money go? You used to be getting tons of it from oil exports, it has to have been spent on something.

Most of it was used to buy a lot of useless Russian garbage. The rest is lining the pockets of senior PUSV members.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I wish there was a way to set up some kind of charity or non profit to help people who want to emigrate from Venezuela.

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Sergg posted:

It's really crazy to read this thread in one huge block and see the slow, creeping doom engulfing your country as goods disappear from stores, money becomes worthless, widespread electricity blackouts happen, and the ruling party robs the nation blind.

Even if the opposition got elected, what would they do? How could they fix it?

Don't forget, it's all a CIA plot, and Maduro's criminal mismanagement of the country is all that's keeping them from taking over, as though that would be a bad thing at this point.

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