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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

punk rebel ecks posted:

This whole situation of Venezuela has been an utmost disaster. I really can't imagine things playing out worse for the country. All this because they happened to elect a loony who just happened to come into power when the nation's strongest natural resource was about to go through record value spikes, giving the illusion that his radical economic policies were working. Attributing correlation to causation is an incredibly dangerous thing.

Really, the only way things could get worse at this point is if Maduro pulled an Assad and ordered the military to use anti-aircraft artillery on protesters.

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

fnox posted:

Maduro's presidency and Star Citizen are alike in that they serve as a clear example of how far people are willing to go due to the sunk cost fallacy. When you realize that the Venezuelan people elected a bus driver as president because Chavez told them to, it suddenly doesn't seem that unfeasible that people are willing to dish out hundreds of dollars to purchase JPEGs.

hahahahahahahhaa

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
You guys probably already know this, but if you talk to the Guardian, be sure to have your identities concealed somehow. Considering the PSUV gets care mad even about random tweets and blog posts, they will definitely try to gently caress up anyone who appears in this.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
If poo poo keeps getting worse there's going to be an armed uprising from hungry and desperate people, giving Maduro the perfect excuse to use the army to purge everyone who disagrees with him. :smith:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

My Imaginary GF posted:

So set up some extra-territorial medical aid camps in Colombia, organize a militia, take and hold territory, and make Venezula functional again. It is up to the Venezuelan expatriate community to arm and organize themselves, so loving do it if you want to see suffering end in your country.

Or don't, and watch your friends and family starve to death as the dumpsters run out of scraps. Your choice.

You're assuming that the people who might want to do this are a) able to travel to Columbia and b) that Columbia wants an armed group operating in their territory.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Here is one way the crisis could be solved: the CIA starts an actual real plot (as opposed to the one that exists in Borneo Jimmy's head) to overthrow the Venezuelan government, suceeds in their plot, and installs a US-controlled puppet government. The new government then recieves more than enough clandestine funds from it's new masters to unfuck everything, even aside from being more competent and less evil than the current one.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
That would require the government to understand, or desire, having business in the country that make money for themselves, rather than shovelling all of their profits into the PSUV's pocket.


Also, in case it wasn't obvious, I was joking when I posted the CIA thing. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good idea though.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
The current UK government has never met a left-wing dick it didn't like to suck. It's as if tumblr was running a country.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

El Hefe posted:

Having experienced it I can say its just propaganda.

Here no one wants to get treatment by a Cuban doctor.

Pretty much everything about Cuba being a magical socialist wonderland is a big steaming pile of poo poo, it's not just the doctors.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Are you insane? Get the gently caress out while you can.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
You're viewing it for the wrong angle. The only people who will get food are those who are actually PSUV supporters. Anyone else will have their stuff "delayed", or "lost", or "stolen". The message will be quite simple: obey the government or you don't get to eat.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
You are missing the likely obvious answer: that there was simply a very large bribe involved.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Borneo Jimmy posted:

Well things would certainly be worse under the opposition's economic policies that's for certain, if things are bad for the the poor now imagine how they would be under large scale privatization, austerity, and zero social programs.

"Well, things would be bad if this imaginary situation I made up specifically to win an argument happened."

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
An American and Venezuelan married couple have been arrested on trumped-up charges and accused of espionage.

http://idahostatejournal.com/member...tm_content=link

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Boner Slaem posted:

I couldn't follow the threat until just recently.

Are the armies of Marxist/Communist Goons still here?
The ones who defended the Venezuelan policies so drat adamantly in 2013-2014 (while living, of course, comfortably abroad)?
I remember reading posts like: "Most things in Venezuela are actually much better than in capitalist countries, if it weren't for the active influence of the USA capitalists, Venezuela would literally be the most developed country on earth, which will happen as soon as Chavez etc all can implement more communism"?

Any reaction to the poo poo going on there now?
Is the argument still "well a market economy would be EVEN WORSE" combined with "What we need is MORE deprivatization and state control!!!"

Most of the useful idiots have quietly slunk off into the shadows. Borneo Jimmy usually shows up and shitposts for a day or two before getting probated for a while. The last couple of times he ate a 30 day, so I think the mods are getting fed up with him.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

I dont know posted:

I'm not sure how forced labor is supposed to solve the food crisis. The problem isn't the labor supply, it's that food must legally be sold for a fraction of what it costs to produce. Even if labor was free, fertilizer, equipment, fuel, and expertise have to be imported. The agricultural sector is the least developed of any South American country, that's not the sort of problem that can be fixed in 8 months. How will any of this be payed for?

Confiscation of the property of anyone who doesn't toe the PSUV's line.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
:nms:jesus gently caress:nms:

Well, now we know why the prisoners arn't going hungry :froggonk:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
If this keeps up, the opposition party is going to start being shunted aside by radicals. They are clearly doing nothing of use for the Venezuelan people.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

hypnorotic posted:

If the Assemble really has lost all power MUD deputies should resign en masse. After that they can continue to call the government illegitimate, and begin agitating for regime change.

All that would happen is that Maduro would appoint a couple of dozen yes-men with rubber stamps in their place, and all the former Assemblymen would be arrested and jailed, suffer "accidents", or disappear.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Has Trump said anything publically about Venezuela?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Because the collapse of a country isn't a sudden thing like a collapsing wall, but a long, painful process.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Sinteres posted:

Holy poo poo, I knew inflation was a problem, but looking at a chart of the last few months is unbelievable. It still astonishes me that the country isn't in open revolt.

It's not quite to that point yet, but I'd say it's on the way there.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Venezuela is what a third world kleptocracy becomes if you let it put down roots for too long without pouring Agent Orange on them.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Why don't they just come right out and say "elections are cancelled forever, gently caress you"? It's obvious by now that the MUD is so completely toothless that Maduro could make it stick with little effort.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Venezuelans are now so desperate for food that they're killing and eating things like flamingos and anteaters..

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Oh, it gets worse: some of the animals being eaten are endangered species.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah right, he's going to double down on usurping power.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
There's basically a standard formula for how the PSUV deals with competent opposition figures: they will inevitably be "arrested", and it'll be claimed they had weapons and evidence in their car/house for a plot to assassinate Maduro.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Supposedly, Maduro is ordering the military into the streets on Wenesday to counter the planned protests. This seems like a pretty big escalation-- has the military been used directly against protesters before?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
If there is some kind of mass slaughter of civilians by the military, I think I can see outside intervention becoming a real possibility.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I am frankly amazed that no colectivos armados have been lynched by an angry mob yet.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Most of the regime defenders have slunk off shamefully.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I bought Caro an account (after he got back) but he either hasn't been posting or is keeping a low profile :iiam:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
This poo poo is starting to escalate. Looks like the protesters are starting to get real tired of being shot and beaten and are starting to do something about it.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article151329772.html

Someone made a secret recording of a Venezuelan general talking about using snipers to control (read: kill) demonstrators.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Better speak through PMs on the discord if you're talking about anything that could ID you. I wouldn't put it past some of the more petulant pro-Maduro posters that have been run out of this thread to inform on people.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Kurtofan posted:

wait what, who is tarek el asaimmi?

The VP of Venezuela, basically Maduro's #2. He has deep ties to the narcotics smuggling rings in the region and also to Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah. Though that's nothing new for Venezuela-- even during the Chavez administration there were regular flights between Iran, Syria and Venezuela, which carried drugs, money, weapons, and terrorist shitbags.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-venezuela-vice-president-has-ties-to-iran-hezbollah-2017-1

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

imo people itt rooting for maduro to fall to the cia and reactionaries are exactly like those accelerationists who wanted trump to win

How would a CIA-backed coup in Venezuela actually produce a government that's worse than what it has now?

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
The people of Venezuela should boycot it, imo. Voting in it at all merely suggests that it's legitimate.

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I'm going to quote my post from a while ago and aim it at Bob this time, not that I expect a reply that makes sense.

ISIS CURES TROONS posted:

Hey Borneo Jimmy I'm calling you out. Suppose everything you claim is true and there is actually a CIA backed conspiracy to out the PSUV, place them all in FEMA death camps, gas them with chemtrails, and replace them with a puppet US government.

How would that actually be any worse than the government Venezuela has now?

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