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zocio
Nov 3, 2011
I'm a Peruvian national and the funniest thing about talking and reading Venezuelans is the profanity, you guys really take things to a professional level when cursing (when doing something wrong: "que haces mmgv?", me: que significa mmgv?, significa mama guevo! -literally ballsucker, because cocksucker wasn't good enough, you have to be more thorough and say it as casually as someone might say brah).

To actually contribute something useful to the thread, here in Lima, there has been an steady influx of Venezuelans in the last decade that has had interesting results; when you go to smaller stores or markets (that usually sell counterfeit or contraband clothes) you notice that almost overnight all of them started to take credit cards and Venezuelan traveler checks, I later learned that Venezuelans go there " shop" and get cash (either dollars or nuevos soles) minus a commission and their cards get charged in bolivares; another is the proliferation of arepa restaurants, there used to be one or two and now there are dozens (and I love them, drat you for making me an addict).

It's really sad when people have to leave their country (la tierra que los vio nacer) because their economy is in shambles (been there done that) or their rights (both political and human) are being restricted or ignored, but is interesting to see one's country change by their influx and to see them prosper, I hope nothing but the best for the people of Venezuela in this thread and everywhere.

PS: gently caress Borneo Jimmy if he's serious about his support for the current Venezuelan government, and applauses if he's being ironically showing us how hosed up the supporters of the PSUV are in their views, drat that's a loooong con Jimmy.

Edit for paragraphing.

zocio fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Sep 11, 2015

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zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Hugoon Chavez posted:

I'm going to nitpick because swearing is a serious matter to me. "Guevo" is penis in Venezuela unlike the rest of the hispanic world where it's indeed balls. So mamaguebo is literally cocksucker, and yeah that's like calling someone "bro", until it's not. We live by context.

That's called "Raspar cupo" and yeah, it's everywhere. Funny how something illegal is so out in the open.

How did "guevo" became a synonym for penis?, this is a serious matter to me aswell.

As for "raspar cupo", you must understand that it's not illegal here, it's a grey area and by grey I mean it's profitable for everyone (including the government via sale taxes), so noone rocks the boat.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

-Troika- posted:

Borneo Jimmy's modus operandi:

2) When called on his bullshit, whine about the USA, as though some imaginary moral failing on their part absolves the PUSV of their crimes.

You could have waited until next page at least, Jimmy boy...

For content, we Peruvians had a small problem with inflation in the late 80's (four digit annual inflation is normal, right guys... Guys...?) That got corrected rather overnight by Fujimori's government in the early 90's (by using the formula his opponent proposed and he would never use because it would ruin the country); this small correction caused much of the middle class to go into poverty or flee the country and the poor to go into extreme poverty, but it got the country out of the hole, it took more or less 5 years to get back on track and we still are worst off than we were at the late 70's but not by much.

So you see, there is a silver lining, but you have to sacrifice pretty much a generation's dreams before things get better.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Ardennes posted:


One question: exactly how far off were price controls compared to inflation in Peru? Was there a supply shortage like Venezuela?


Price controls were very high, at the time of the Fujishock (nice to see that term it's not only used here) the basic foodstuffs like sugar, rice, milk and meat had on average 2/3rds of their real value subsidized and fuel had almost 97% of it's value subsidized (boy, are you Venezuelans gonna have some fun with that one).

As for supply shortages, of course there were, as in any economy that has both a heavy price controls and hyperinflation; my earlyest memories of going out with my mom involve hour+ lines to buy milk (for the whole month, because you never knew if tomorrow or next week there was gonna be a shortage; but we never did (in my middle class toddler at the time, point of view) reach the levels Venezuela is enduring right now, because most of the production was in private hands and despite what the PSUV might say in that regard an "economic war" waged by the oligarchy by stopping production is unprofitable.

Wikipedia link of the current Venezuelan situation Perú's economy in the most recent dark years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Peru#From_Inflation_to_Hyperinflation.2C_1988_-_1990

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Chuck Boone posted:

"candela con burundanga". I have no idea how to translate slang like "burundanga" into English

You might want to try with equivalencies, burundanga is pretty much dark magic, so what type of dark magic do english speakers know?, voodoo; so you might say "taking the streets by storm like voodoo fires", that's how I often do it, not that it adds anything to your translation, but it gets the message across that Maduro's rethoric is on another level of crazy than what most people (including people from normal Latin American countries like me) are used to.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
I stand corrected, translating those mad ramblings are a pain to translate in any language and don't amount to anything most of the time.

Is there anyone who does make what he rambles about become reality?, Diosdado maybe?

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
Thats easy, are you a goverment employee?; If not get a Kleenex eco-friendly handkerchief.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Borneo Jimmy posted:

Last time something like this happened to an opposition politician, the "investigation" found out it was due to his evidenceless organized crime connections. This probably was a result of the guy's PSUV's connection to the drug trade.

FTFY.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

My Imaginary GF posted:

How the gently caress is a robber selling anything at a loss?

The phone is worth less than the bullets he fired.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

THE PWNER posted:

I'm the guy complaining on the internet about the NAP being violated when starving people steal food from small business owners who refuse to sell it to them

So... Borneo Jimmy, how have you been, buddy?

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
My best wishes to you on this journey towards a new life fnox. Trabaje duro y no se amilane!

Edit: phone autocorrect.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
The dissolution of the venezuelan parliament is headline news here in Perú, our foreign relations office has made a statement condeming it as a breach of constitutional rule, made a call to activate the OAS democratic charter, and has recalled our embassador indeffinetly, interesting times are ahead in foreign policy.

In a sadder note our socialist congress party* has deplored this "constitutionally limitating act" and said that it will make a peaceful solution to venezuelan problems harder; this is as critics as they have ever been of the venezuelan crisis/dictatorship.

*Which of course has linned it's pockets with venezuelan and brazilian money.

http://elcomercio.pe/politica/gobierno/ppk-america-latina-democratica-inaceptable-lo-venezuela-noticia-1980184?flsm=1
http://elcomercio.pe/politica/congr...ambien&e=titulo

Edit: Grammar and links (in spanish).

zocio fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 30, 2017

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

fnox posted:

God I wish I could just send you one-way to Venezuela, see how long you last.

Bob le Moche's excellent Venezuela adventure:

1) First hand experience at XXI century socialist paradise's wealth redistribution within minutes of arrival (Robbed at airport customs) deadpool starts here
2) First hand experience at XXI century socialist people helping hands (inside his pockets as he leaves airport)
3) First hand experience at XXI century socialist institutions efficiency (goes to report robbers and is greeted by National Bolivarian Guard members who contact his family in minutes, for ransom)
4) First hand experience at XXI century socialist anti imperialist militias professionalism (kidnapped again, passed around various small groups, 2-4 weeks for anyone to actually ask for ransom)
5) First hand experience at XXI century socialist freedom of travel (waits for 3-4 months in airport for ticket home, with no money or marketable skills) deadpool ends here.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
My money is on Colombia, the evil US empire and the oligarchy one or very few private individuals.

Edit for content: 350k Venezuelans have come to Perú in the last couple of years and slowly but surely the welcoming mood towards them is darkening because of what I can only describe as a baseless xenophobic rejection as they become more socially visible; it's really disheartening considering our not so recent past (over 2 million peruvians emigrated in the late 80's early 90's because of the lovely economic times we had), and the open arms policy towards international inmigrants I grew up witnessing.

zocio fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 6, 2018

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
Fujimori's Pros:

- Stabilized the economy (implementing his contenders measures, yes the same he said he would not implement because they were too harsh).
- Balanced the budget (by firing thousands of public workers).
- Ended terrorism (he did nothing really, just happened to be there when the intelligence apparatus caught the leaders).

Fujimori's Cons:

- Destroyed public institutions, political parties, massively promoted an informal economy (those fired public workers became informal drivers and what you guys would call bachaqueros), gave no shits about human rights, allowed (by direct orders or inneptitude is debatable) psicopaths to engage in state sponsored terrorism against anyone and everyone (to no effect on the intended target, the terrorists), looted (or at least allowed his family to loot) everything from international donations to the military pension funds, etc (that's just of the top of my head).

In summary, don't lose hope Venezuelans, things may improve in a generation or three, once chavismo falls and their crimes are known (or Chavez loving kids may run for president and control the new and improved Congress because people remember the good old days that were just not hellscape horrible).

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
Maduro is a thief, who says stealing billions of dollars is socialism. I hope this helps.

Edit: Reply was to your original post that read: "so, is Maduro a socialist and not socialist at the same time?".

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
The CIA's spies US Humanitarian Aid hast reached the Colombian border (Cucuta) and will presumably try to cross into Venezuela via the Tienditas bridge, the one you may recall Maduro's government has helpfully put containers across as barriers.

https://elcomercio.pe/mundo/venezue...-605088?foto=12

Link in spanish.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Jose posted:

Quote a post that does this. Take into account that elliott Abrams is known for using US Aid programmes to send weapons to rebels.

Characterizing the Venezuelan opposition as rebels (in search of armament) when they are trying to oust Maduro in the last constitutional way available (after getting every other way banned by unconstitutional means), trying to get humanitarian aid into the country and staging peaceful protests (insert that one dude that got killed years ago and US racial sensitivities, while ignoring Maduro's goverment human rights abuses, as a reply here) is all the proof that one needs to know that every single one of you non-venezuelans arguing for the status quo, is in no way interested in the betterment of Venezuela and it's people.

Asi que vayanse a la mierda.

zocio
Nov 3, 2011
Plane full of weapons = 19 rifles in bad shape

uninterrupted status: tankie

zocio
Nov 3, 2011

Rust Martialis posted:

Simply put,

- Maduro was elected in 2013
- The Nation Assembly elections of 2015 gave a supermajority to the opposition
- during the lame-duck session the outgoing National Assembly confirmed a large number of new members to the Supreme Court in disputed circumstances
- the new Maduro-controlled Supreme Court began invalidating every action taken by the opposition-led National Assembly in disputed circumstances
- in order to further isolate the NA, Maduro convened a constitutional assembly in disputed circumstances
- the subsequent 2018 re-election of Maduro to the presidency took place under, again, disputed circumstances as to the legality and conduct of the election

The National Assembly has declared the vote invalid, that Maduro was not properly re-elected, and that upon the expiry of his 2013 term, there was therefore no legally elected President; the office was legally vacant, and the National Assembly duly declared it as such (which is a power reserved to the National Assembly by the constitution, much like impeachment in the USA).

The rest follows - lacking a validly-elected President, the constitution states the leader of the National Assembly steps in as interim President until elections are held.

Of course given the election board is controlled by Maduro supporters, they have not organized the required election, regardless of the National Assembly ordering it or not.

So here we are. If you agree the 2018 Presidential election was invalid, Guaido is interim President by law. If you don't, he's not.

Quoting for new page, because it's a good summary and because it shreds the arguments of the "posting quantity has a quality all of its own" crowd.

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zocio
Nov 3, 2011
Edit: read too fast, carry on.

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