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We are facing a very direct power struggle here. The TSJ cannot go over the National Assembly nor the CNE, there is a separation of powers for a reason, and due to the fact that the magistrates were elected in a process filled with irregularities, we are now in a game of "who's illegal", the AN will claim the TSJ was formed illegally due to not obeying the Organic Law of the TSJ, the TSJ will claim that the AN was also formed illegally by swearing in the Amazonas deputies under dispute. The AN can't be disolved by any other power, and any modifications to the Organic Law of the TSJ will just be declared null and void by itself, thus, a deadlock, the best possible scenario for PSUVistas right now as they just don't have the people behind them. The losing side is clear though, if this goes for too long Maduro's inefficacy will become even more apparent as nothing is being done due to the political deadlock, thus costing him whatever remains of his acceptance rate, and allowing for his impeachment through referendum, which, considering that he completes half of his term in March, is a lot closer than most think. There will be no civil war, the military ain't that loving stupid, and I'm a Venezuelan student of the UCV so believe me I don't exactly have kind regards for the military. Nobody's going to die for loving Maduro, well, maybe a couple of radicals, but nothing that the military won't directly squash. Now if you truly want to hear bad news, Venezuelan oil is currently at under USD$25 a barrel. Notably, Maduro affirmed last year that so long as oil prices were above $40 everything would be fine and dandy, so yeah go figure how the gently caress they're going to pay for half the poo poo they already owe. fnox fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Labradoodle posted:To me, what really highlights the degree of insanity of this entire situation is how bold-faced it is: one of the new express magistrates of the Supreme Court was a chavista candidate who lost an election days before, many of them don't even fulfill the academic criteria needed to apply for their posts, Diosdado (who is supposed to be a simple assembly member now, with no other post in government) talks to reporters as if he were the owner of the country "We'll simply not give the assembly any money and disregard any laws they pass." and the kicker, since they don't recognize the assembly, they're asking the Supreme Court to act as a legislative body in their stead. One of the magistrates voted for himself. There are constitutional grounds to declare that the TSJ was formed illegally, disobeying the Organic Law. Problem is, they are the ultimate interpretation of the law, and the government, who controls all other powers is responsible for executing it, thus they can do with it whatever they want. There is currently a deadlock that is impossible to break, legally. The TSJ cannot go over the AN, and the AN cannot remove magistrates without intervention from other powers. The only solutions to this are, either the government gives in and allows the AN to exist and legislate, or the government declares that it will not respond to the AN and thus become a pretty well established dictatorship, or there is a coup of some sort that results in the removal of Nicolas Maduro. No effective economic measures will take place until the deadlock is resolved.
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The quorum should not continue being 167 if there are 4 deputies removed, it should either be 163, in which case the opposition continues having 2/3rds of the assembly with 109 deputies, or the previous 4 deputies from Amazonas should take their place, in which case the opposition also continues having 2/3rds with 111 deputies. The 2/3rds majority has not yet been lost.
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Chuck Boone posted:This is an interesting point, and I just heard Allup making it in a clip I saw of his interview on CNN en Espanol last night. He argued your first point - that with 4 less deputies, the quorum is now 163, of which the MUD has 109 seats. It's the only thing that makes sense, which really ultimately means that PSUV's whining is pointless as it doesn't turns things in their favor. There cannot be any empty seats on the National Assembly.
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Jan 13, 2016 18:06
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This declaration of emergency has no real legal background. they're just basically saying it, which will likely serve as an excuse to ask for an enabling act, which they won't get. The executive can declare martial law, which is pretty much what they did in the frontier with Colombia, but that has to be only for a fixed amount of time. The AN has apparently received some decree from the executive branch that will target this economic emergency, but it's very doubtful that it will go through unchallenged. Funny that they are ONLY declaring that the economy is hosed right now, the little shits. It's been on a downward spiral since 2010 if not earlier, and economists everywhere said so. But anyhow, I'm pretty excited to see what the deputies are going to ask Maduro about, this is a golden opportunity to annihilate whatever remains of his acceptance rate and pave the road for an impeachment.
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beer_war posted:Any livestream for this that isn't loving VTV? they're the only ones allowed to record inside the AN right now for some reason, every other media channel had their correspondents locked up in the AN's library. It's a "cadena" now so every national channel is now playing the same feed. El Hefe posted:The economy went to poo poo around 2009 like in the rest of the world but since Chavez didn't have a back up plan or savings or any sort of economic plan other than spending/stealing every single dollar from the $100+ oil barrel it never had a chance of recovering. I'd say 2007 was the last good year Venezuela had economically speaking, at least we had food in the supermarkets, medicines in pharmacies and dealers had cars to sell. That was actually Chavez' heyday, right then, 2009. I think that year the oil prices topped out. Anyhow, I found this, I'll post the filled version once the speech is over. 
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He gifted Ramos Allup a new picture of Bolivar. holy poo poo what a loving idiot.
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If I can describe this speech with one word, it is "confused". It for a moment seemed to hint towards accepting the amnesty law, but Maduro is really dancing back and forth between asking for forgiveness and asking for punishment for those indicted.
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 I didn't quite hear anything that was worth marking as "Capuski Capubul", he did JUST say Robert Serra though. EDIT: It's finally over good god. fnox fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Kurtofan posted:I want to see that picture of Bolivar.  And yes, hearing Henry Ramos Allup absolutely destroy every single thing the Chavismo has ever said during Maduro's presidency, with Maduro sitting literally next to him and this being transmitted by law on EVERY single radio and television channel in the country is more than surreal. It's something I thought I would have never lived to see, or hear.
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That was a speech I thought I would never hear, really. I don't think in the past 17 years there had been a single moment where somebody would be able to speak without any sort of restraints to the Chavismo leadership.
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Is Allup's closing comments somewhere in the international media? holy poo poo I need to post this everywhere it was amazing.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:I was wondering why the opposition removed Bolivar's portrait, the explanation turns out they are massive racists. No, it's because it's terrible, it's not what he looks like, and the fact that they exhumed Bolivar's remains to produce something so absurd and abysmal ANY 3D artist would have done better is something every single Venezuelan should be ashamed of, but nah they just wanted Bolivar to look like Chavez. It's a huge offense to our history the way these people use and abuse Bolivar, both his image and teachings to promote their cult. Having a 3D picture of Washington inside Congress would look just as absurd. Amulatar isn't even a word in Spanish. But hey nice shitposting using Telesur, we all know that's where the REAL news come from right?
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Jan 16, 2016 18:13
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Still doesnt change the fact that Allup is in favor of replacing a statue celebrating indigenous resistance with one of imperialism and white supremacy. Why do you have to replace one statue to put another? Why not put the statue of Guaicaipuro anywhere else instead of taking down the Christopher Columbus one? Like, Christopher Columbus existed, and he was the first true link between the Old World and the Americas, are we seriously going to pretend he wasn't a thing? Sure, he wasn't exactly a good person, but to actually understand what he did wrong, and to understand the struggle of the indigenous people, you have to understand him. To truly generate skepticism and critical thought you have to exhibit the two sides of an argument. Ultimately you're injecting American sensibilities into a Latin American thing, which is btw something that the Chavistas have struggled for years to do and they have never quite pulled it off, starting with a recent census that was the first one in Venezuelan history to ask for the race of those surveyed. 60% of our population is mixed race, and the word "negro" and "catire" to refer to either people of darker or lighter skin respectively are terms of endearment, they're not slurs and aren't intended to be harmful. "Negrear" is a verb in Venezuelan vernacular and it also doesn't carry racial connotations. The reason why Chavistas love to bring this poo poo up is because they thrive in hate. They need to find reasons to hate their enemies for because that's what their speeches are about, they try to collectivize the opposition as a single entity, as an enemy, thus why they use words like "majunches", "escualidos", "escuacas" and "fascistas" to refer to them. But ultimately, the Venezuelan people are tired of this petty political banter, and they showed that in December. We've got bigger problems to worry about than the hurt feelings of foreigners.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:So you are saying we should we re-erect Nazi monuments in countries they conquered because Hitler was a complex man and we should try to understand him.  Anyhow, I really wanna see what the polls say about Maduro after yesterday. Allup's speech was brilliant in that it's leading the Chavismo leadership to fracture between moderates who want to negotiate, and radicals who want to see Allup burn at the stake.
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quote:7. Do away with the exchange procedures established by CENCOEX and by the Banco Central de Venezuela with respect to public organizations and entities with the goal of speeding up and guaranteeing the importing of goods or raw materials that are indispensable to keep the country supplied. No, assholes, get rid of it entirely, not just for public organizations. Get rid of the bolivar, we're uselessly crippling our economy with this absurd currency control scheme. All the people arguing that it will lead to inflation or whatever don't realize our inflation is already over 200%, and the prices of many products are effectively set at the unofficial exchange rate anyway, it will change nothing except for the regulated products which are already being sold at distorted prices. This distortion is the root cause of the inflation. Seriously I can't believe these idiots are so blind that they don't realize if they keep up with their idiotic economic policy there will be no money left for them to steal from the country.
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There's rumors that Nelson Merentes, former Minister of Economy and president of the Central Bank of Venezuela was dating a 16 year old girl. He apparently paid for several plastic surgeries for her, a boob job and rear end implants. He also had his house burgled, he declared that he lost a Rolex watch, $300000 cash, and when the police caught the robbers, he dropped the chargs. This is apparently how his affair with a 16 year old was found, as the burglars seem to be her cousins. The girl is so loving dumb she's actually admitting to everything in Instagram.
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Spacewolf posted:For those of us watching from the US...What's the age of consent in Venezuela? Like yeah, this is creepy (central bank president dating a 16 year old), but is it also illegal? The age of consent is 16. There's however something illegal somewhere in this whole story because I don't think nobody in their right mind would allow somebody to knowingly steal $300000 from them. Chuck Boone posted:Well, I don't know about that. The "ley habilitante" is the same as an enabling act for all intents and purposes, they do the same things. It's also a pretty established piece of legislation that has been used during the 4th republic. Chavez and Maduro however were using it to decree things that are not related to the economy, which is the scope of the enabling act, that's kind of where poo poo got shady. The National Assembly can also declare any state of exception over within 8 days of its declaration.
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Apparently a friend of mine is Nelson Merentes' illegitimate son, no joke.
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There's really not that many solutions for Venezuela other than an IMF loan at this point. I mean the economy is reaching a critical point with oil prices continuing to plummet, with the current tendency we'll already be producing oil at a loss by next month. Getting rid of Maduro is becoming more and more of a critical matter.
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None of this would have happened if they hadn't been so foolish as to not adjust gas prices to inflation every year. But then again this government has proven that they simply do not know jack poo poo about how to keep an economy afloat. We're apparently losing $300,000,000 every year due to the domestic subsidy of 95 octane gas alone, so the prices are bound to skyrocket for that type of fuel mostly. Problem is, our gas stations have been pretty shoddily ran for the last decade since the oil prices were so loving low, so I don't know how they pretend to collect any of that money, or even how to charge for it, if they are to charge more than like, 50 bolivares the litre people will ask for receipts and better ways to pay, the current system of "pay the guy who also puts in the fuel and tip the >5 bolivar change since you don't want more lovely worthless coins in your car" won't scale with that. So there's an additional logistics nightmare attached to an increase in gas prices. fnox fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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A number of ministers, including Nelson Merentes, were told today to the National Assembly for questioning in an open hearing. Unsurprisingly, they didn't show up, apparently since they wanted the hearing to be in secrecy. This is actual contempt (unlike what they were accusing the Assembly of), and it's grounds for removal of those Ministers, and possibly also grounds to initiate an investigation on them.
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They literally had one loving job and couldn't do it because they're too afraid, whichever way you look at it they NEED to be removed. That's kind of a bad thing because whoever else they put in will be worse.
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Chuck Boone posted:I can already see the headlines: "Supreme Court Declares Ministers Not in Contempt". It doesn't matter the National Assembly can remove ministers with a simple majority, they can also remove the vice president as a matter of fact but that is inconvenient at the moment. I suppose that this is some sort of political power play in that they try to force the National Assembly to remove these loving ministers so that the government can push the agenda that the opposition are the ones responsible for the economic crisis.
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El Hefe posted:one of them also says that companies that don't increase production can be expropriated so I don't see how they can approve that decree as is without any amendments The government doesn't need the decree to expropriate. Anything that can be declared in the interest of the public can be expropriated, and besides, I assume that is there to support expropriation of companies that are already in the way of leaving the country, avoiding the total economic collapse that is just around the corner. Labradoodle posted:If they approve the economic emergency "plan" they'd be complicit in sinking the ship, if they don't, they'll get blamed by the government for "not wanting to help out". Their time to deliberate runs out tomorrow and this way the ministers avoided having to explain that the aforementioned plan is bogus in front of the media. They've cornered themselves and now they're giving their last kicks. It shouldn't be long now until Maduro and his cronies find themselves removed from power. They just have no constitutional way of governing without the National Assembly, they just can't ignore it anymore.
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I bought that Vivoplay subscription, and holy poo poo I'm really impressed with how legitimately terrible the PSUV deputies are in terms of their oratory skills. They really, like, REALLY don't know how to win a debate, they just scream and say the same poo poo every single time, stuttering all the way through. Literally only 4 PSUV deputies are able to speak 5 minutes fluidly.
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Hugoon Chavez posted:Godamn, that's a massive turnaround for Aporrea. I don't understand what could've happened that made them flip completely, they were always a chavist website. if there is ONE good trait communists do have is that they're willing to criticize themselves. the government itself will never agree to any blame, in fact you can see how they're divided between the Chavistas that are actually aware they hosed up and the ones who will continue to push the economic war agenda.
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I legitimately don't know who is advising Maduro or who is actually telling the government what to say but hoooooly poo poo they seriously need somebody to tell them the whole "economic war" deal is a loving joke and there is no chance in hell you can convince somebody who once had enough food to live that it's nice having less food now, that it's nice to queue up for hours to buy some loving food. It didn't work at the parliamentary elections campaign, it sure as hell won't work now. It's not even that hard to stay in power in Venezuela, seriously, I've been listening to a LOT of speeches from a whole bunch of opposition deputies, and there are more than some that are pretty weak, that they could just latch on and target to get some popularity, but they don't! They just scream and scream about the same drat thing over and over again, they have not said ONCE a single tagline you can put on a paper. Their economic policies are just absurd, distorted, they don't make sense even to the most radical of socialists, and they don't want to budge either. Like what the gently caress is going through their collective heads right now?
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It's impossible to say ANY sort of socialist leader in Latin America has been successful by any metric not issued by themselves. Clearly the countries that are doing best in the region are the ones with the smallest, most transparent governments, but of course you'll never see Telesur or any of those propaganda media outlets ever say otherwise. In the case of Venezuela, they don't even bother to publish any metrics nowadays, the economic catastrophe currently underway in this country is impossible to spin positively. Also, the thing about the Mision Vivienda, is that well, it's obviously necessary, we need subsidies like that. The country is far too poor. But it's impossible to justify just how poorly all of these social programs are ran, and how often they fail to deliver anything because of corruption and the crippling infrastructure failures that this country has. I mean, holy gently caress, the entire country at risk of running out of water due to a prolonged drought. This isn't California, we HAVE water, we have both natural water reservoirs and sufficient spots along the coast to set up desalinization plants, but nobody bothered to expand it. Despite being a country that produces massive amounts of crude oil, we have rolling blackouts through the country's entire power grid, nobody bothered to build more power plants. This country is so poorly ran that it's largest export, after oil, is people. Qualified, educated workers that go on to have a better life abroad because anybody who spent 5 years studying for an undergraduate should be able to make enough loving money to buy food, and that's not the way it is right now. I'll soon be one of those people.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:No exactly unbiased given that they are working hand in hand with right wing legislators. As said by Telesur, a media network founded by Chavez and who's president is former communication and tourism minister Andres Izarra.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:How is that more nefarious than supposedly "neutral" media outlets that serve as propaganda machines for the Pentagon and their corporate backers? Usual Chavista logic, that you consider something is poorly administered or biased doesn't give you license to do worse. You yourself admit the clear bias your source has, Telesur is as literal as a propaganda machine as it gets, so clearly, there must be other possible ways for you to prove whatever you're trying to prove without it. I mean, the whole world can't really be biased against the Venezuelan government, right? If everyone thinks what they're doing is stupid and wrong, they most definitely are doing something both stupid and wrong.
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My Imaginary GF posted:In response to the minister's refusal to provide the metrics necessary for evaluating department funding, it should be necessary for the National Assembly to de-authorize funding of the minister's department until such data is made available. The National Assembly can remove ministers with a vote of censure. It sadly will do nothing as Maduro can legit always find worse ministers to occupy their jobs, and the National Assembly can't bother firing all of them, so I can only assume they wait until a minister does something really loving illegal until they go for that option.
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The National Assembly now has a Youtube channel that livestreams only the plenary sessions thus far. The link is right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4OcD3_wc4.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Now's the time to leave Venezuela while you've still got the chance. It's not exactly easy, and it gets harder every month. It's just far too expensive of an option for most people, due to the currency exchange controls.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:It could be I'm lacking complete perspective, but it just seems like the Chavist governments have tried nothing of substance, nothing with earnest honesty, nothing intended to make the country's situation stable, secure, and detached from oil revenue. Just a bunch of half-baked populist programs aimed at niche interests and a lot of cronyist corruption, but nothing like "We are going to increase domestic agricultural production by x% over the next five years through (land grants, capital grants, generous loans, ecetera) whatever". Yes, and they've done it for so long they can get away with it. They played the long con, really, and it worked. Now they're in so deep that it's going to be almost too difficult to fix all those things they've destroyed. And we could have stopped it all long ago but the world didn't give enough of a gently caress about it. They bought it too. FrantzX posted:To be fair, the collapse of the price of oil would of ruined anything competent they were doing anyways. If we had started to make actual economic progress 17 years ago it would have not affected us at all today. I know it's wishful thinking, but it's almost hilarious to think what this country would have been like with a competent leadership. I mean, seriously, Venezuela is such a privileged country in terms of natural resources, geopolitical position and access to global markets that it's hard to see a world where it wouldn't have emerged as one of the strongest economies in the region had it been ran by anybody else. fnox fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's organized a sepratist group or insurgency against PSUV yet. You'd think that some border regions would want to break away and be able to use toilet paper, at least. The government has done a fantastic job at covering up for the people just how dire the economic situation is. You would think people would start noticing something's amiss when all of a sudden they no longer have access to loving aspirins or milk without going through resellers but never doubt the Venezuelan people, they are so used to getting hosed they just find ways around adversity rather than trying to avoid it from happening altogether. It's actually hard to explain just how hosed Venezuela is, actually. Even for people who are aware that there is a crisis, it's hard to embrace the depths of it from the inside.
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They're foolish enough to make a special in VTV saying how most of the people emigrating are blonde, white middle class men. They're so deluded as to push the agenda that the people who are leaving the country are the immigrants.
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I'm considering Sweden since the UCV doesn't seem to be able to get its poo poo sorted soon and I want to complete at least an undergraduate degree. I have to do it this year though I wasn't expecting the entire country to go into a death spiral this quickly. I mean, seriously, this Carnival Monday and Tuesday have been the saddest loving things I've seen in the longest time. If there is one thing that is universally true about Venezuelans is that they will NOT give up an opportunity to take a vacation, no matter how hosed they may be financially, they'd rather get even deeper in debt than miss a vacation. This is the first time I've seen so many people still at home, no kids throwing eggs and water balloons (mainly due to a severe lack of either of those things), no idiots driving slowly in caravans down the Boquerón tunnel. It wasn't like this last year. I think it's about time people realized there isn't one positive scenario remaining for this country, that involves Maduro still being president.
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Those are millions of jobs in jeopardy. Shopping malls are incredibly important for the economic and social landscape of the country.
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