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The closure of the border is extended to Zulia. The suspensions of the Constitution is being spread there as well. If Deportation of Colombians follows it will make the issue in Cucuta look like childsplay. There are only two things on the border of Colombia and Zulia. Mountains and hundreds of miles of deserts. People will die I saw someone speculating that they will continue to do this and in a couple months some kind of false flag event will occur in Caracas and they will suspend the elections. Makes quite a bit of sense.
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Would protests and unrest like the ones we saw last year stop the deportations?
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Aug 26, 2015 07:02
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Well as it turns out not all Colombians oppose Venezuela's crackdowns on Paramilitaries Lol yeah I'm so happy to hear the opinion of a organization started by the Communist Party of Colombia and infiltrated by the FARC. Obviously unbiased.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:48
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Ah the trusty "They're guerilla collaborators!" canard that Colombia uses whenever somebody dares to criticize it's human rights abuses, or anybody they deem "subversive". Of course you also made the ridiculous claim that right-wing paramilitaries don't exist anymore so its fascinating to come across someone who genuine believes in the transparent propaganda of a bunch of narco-terrorists. Says someone who points and claims everything that ever happens bad in a country is caused by the United States or right wing paramilitaries; whichever is more convenient on said day. The irony is amazing. Right Wing Paramilitaries do not exist in Colombia as they did pre-dismobilization. There are ten decentralized little splinter groups that claim to be paramilitaries, but there's also a million splinter groups that claim to be the opposition in Venezuela. But both for all intents and purposes simply do not really exist. Just as a tree falling in the forest unseen and unheard does not exist. Or your posts, if I ignore them; do not exist. Capice maricon? Le voy a dar en la cara PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Aug 27, 2015 03:53
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I think Santos is not doing anything drastic or say anything publicly because Maduro want's him to do something, and doing something would be playing into his hand. Colombia is very close to withdrawing from Unasur. The whole event has kind of unmasked the entity as some kind of bolivarian lap dog. Maduro said the border will be open when Colombia outlaws contraband. We'll do it as soon as Venezuela does it. It's kind of funny because Colombia just passed a major anti-contraband law that really hurt small businesses because they have to show they brought the products they sell legally and paid taxes on them and loving nobody does that except the big corporations because you really don't pay taxes on it if you do the paperwork but the paperwork is so heavy no small business could ever hope to do it. It's like a 26 step process and 5 different forms that need to be signed by 8 different government officials. Takes months. Not that the small retailers were doing well with imports seeing how the Colombian Peso has los 40% of its worth versus the dollar over the past year. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Aug 28, 2015 02:37
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Well the Colombian opposition has been attacking Santos pretty hard for not doing enough.
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Aug 29, 2015 00:24
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The Colombian press is now saying that the crisis was started because venezuela didnt want two drug lords that Colombia extradited to the usa toIdk be extradited. They're quoting el nuevo heraldo a spanish language newspaper from miami. According to them the Venezuelan government had pushed against the extradition because the two drug lords had deep connections to the group's that run drugs through venezuela with the assistance of the venezuelan generals and politicians. http://www.elnuevoherald.com/noticias/mundo/america-latina/venezuela-es/article32595408.html Here is that article. It also says that the supposed attack by the paramilitaries was actually a battle between two opposing groups of the Venezuelan military. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 29, 2015 |
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Aug 29, 2015 15:58
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Maybe Colombia should of done to Venezuela what Russia did to Georgia.
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Aug 30, 2015 21:14
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Colombia has now decided to offer free Colombian citizenship to all Venezuelans. I think this is a dangerous precedent as a Colombian i'm not in favor of it. It could lead to a massive invasion of Venezuelans in Colombia that could overload all our social safety nets and infrastructure. It might be better to go to war. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Aug 31, 2015 |
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Aug 31, 2015 01:04
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Colombia has lost their request for a special meeting at the UN and UNASUR has cancelled the special meeting that was going to happen on Thursday. What the gently caress is going on?
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Santos is giving a address to the nation and comparing the Venezuelan military marking Colombian housrs with Ds and tearing them down to Nazis destroying houses in jewish ghettos. It's been extremely intelectual. No grandstanding. No hyperbole. He's simplu outlined every single humans righ abuse and what Colombia has tried to do in the UN. He just stated that the Colombian Attorney General will bring charges of humans rights abuse and crimes against humanity to the international court in La Hague agaisnt key leaders of the Venezuelan military and government. Link to the statements Best part imo quote:Es evidente –además– que la estrategia del Gobierno venezolano es culpar a Colombia de todos sus males. Pero –como dije hace unos días–los problemas de Venezuela son hechos en Venezuela, no en Colombia. Son tan absurdas, tan fuera de la realidad, las acusaciones y señalamientos, que se caen de su propio peso. ¡Quién puede culpar a una pobre anciana deportada de la tremenda escasez de productos básicos que sufre el pueblo venezolano! ¡Quién puede culpar a los niños que están siendo expulsados de la altísima tasa de cambio o la inflación que se ha disparado allá! ¡Y quién puede siquiera considerar que desde Bogotá, “con la anuencia y la vista gorda” de mi gobierno, se planee atentar contra la vida del presidente Maduro! No. ¡Mil veces no! Colombia es una nación decente, civilizada, democrática, respetuosa de los derechos humanos y de las instancias internacionales, que cree en el diálogo y la diplomacia, ¡y lo seguirá siendo! Si otros caen en la paranoia, nosotros persistiremos en la serenidad en todas nuestras acciones. "It's also evident that the strategy of the Venezuelan Government is to blame Colombia for all of it's ills. But like I said a few days ago, Venezuela's problems are made in Venezuela, not in Colombia. They are so absurd, so out of touch with reality, the accusations and pointing of fingers, that they collapse under their own weight. Who could fault a poor senior citizen who was deported for the high scarcity of basic goods that the Venezuelan people suffer from. Who can blame the high exchange rate or inflation on children that have been kicked out of their homes? And who could possibly even consider that in Bogota with my governments consent and oversight there is a plan to try and take the life of President Maduro? No! A thousand times no! Colombia is a decent nation, civilized, a democracy that respects human rights and international law. We believe in dialogue and diplomacy and we always will! Even If others rely on their own prejudices and paranoias, we will always persists in the serene soberness of our own actions ' PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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First Colombians have been deported from Caracas. Jimmy you can gently caress right off. Those Colombians have been in Venezuela since the oil rush. How about Colombia deport and abuse the rights of the 400,000 Venezuelans living in Colombia and blame it on the psuv for creating a crisis in the first place with their poor policies. gently caress off. You are excusing the abuse of the civil rights and rape of many Colombians who have lived in Venezuela for decades just to distract from the elections. Never even loving mind the millions of squatters in Venezuela that Chavez supposedly fought for because they were poor. No but because they are Colombians maduro will kick out so called poor squatters (they arent squatters) because they are colombian. Thats not socialism in any way and form except one. National socialism.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Actually I'm pretty sure Colombia, a country where leftists, journalists, human rights activists, union leaders, priests and more are regularly murdered by right wing death squads (who happen to be connected to many of the officials complaining about the border crackdown) is closer to Nazi Germany. I'm sure none of that happens in Venezuela. Once again. Stop changing the topic. Stop pointing at Colombia and saying it's ok to abuse the rights of Colombians because some Colombian people have done bad things. That's childish. Supposedly Venezuela is a enlightened Socialist nation that is supposed to have higher standards and not do these kind of things. Your continued defense of them demonstrates that is false. Your socialism is about as socialism as Mussolini's Italy. You are nothing but South America's bully trying to provoke neighbor countries with illegal mistreatments of their sovereign citizens to distract from the collapse of your own economy and leaders massive unpopularity. Anyways Americans can't understand the complexities of Colombian politics. It's not exactly that people who dissent are killed. There is far too much dissent in Colombia for that to be true. Half the nation would be dead if that were the case. If the level of dissent that occurs in the nation were to happen in the United States it would be called a revolution and entire elections would be based around it. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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M. Discordia posted:Anyone trying to confuse the issue by equating Colombian economic refugees in Venezuela with "the Colombian political order" is, in fact, acting out of fondness for the Venezuelan government. I bet you cry all over your Z Magazine archive when you realize this poo poo isn't working anymore, not even on leftists. They're not really economic refugees. They're basically Venezuelan citizens as much as Maduro hates that. Most of them left Colombia 20-30 years ago because Venezuela had really high paying oil jobs.
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Tony_Montana posted:Colombia is so close to Nazi Germany and evil right wing that the Left has held the mayor office in the capital city (the second most important political position in the country, held currently by a leftis ex-guerilla member) for 3 consecutive periods, despite of their disastrous results, a generous agreement with the guerillas is going to be signed to end the peace process, and private companies are taxed at between 40%-70%. We bent over to Nicaragua over a territorial dispute that they won, we have bent over to Venezuela in the past years for the sake of business and good relationships, and are still bending over to them. I'd say most of this is right. But i'll clarify. Colombia is not a perfect nation. But we are the ONLY nation in South America without a long history of dictatorship and that has had a single, democratic form of government in power for over 100 years. It is one of the nations most stricken by strife in the past 100 years. But since 1902 and the end of the 1000 day war we have avoided all out civil war for over 100 years. That has been throughout the United States Intervention in our foreign affairs; first by stealing Panama from us, then threatening to invade us for not putting down national banana strikes. That has been throughout the warmongering by fellow nations. Be it the Peruvians and the war of 1932 or the various border thefts by the Venezuelan republics at the start of last century to Nicaraguas modern demands of the return of the San Andres Islands. Beyond that the US mains intervention has been in the drug war. But outside of that we created our own demons with fighting between liberals and conservatives. The US had nothing to do with it. We killed each other. And that's why we know so well why neither extreme should be allowed. No Colombian can deny the atrocities of the Uribe Administration. But the ones that should be held responsible most are the Colombian people; who allowed those things to happen in a democracy. Just the same as the Venezuelan people who should be held responsible for what they have allowed the PSUV do in their country. But to think that now, after the fall of Uribe, the exposure of his dirty deeds, which was aired throughout the media constantly and never denied or downplayed by any of them be them right wing or left wing,to think we are somehow continuing such actions is absolutely absurd. And to think that the Colombian Government: even under Uribe, specifically targeted the poor, or union members, is a gross oversimplification of the facts. Uribe enacted policies which did eventually lead to some of these things, but often they were unintended consequences. Not a direct focus of the entire government apparatus, but the failures of certain corrupt branches, due to the high levels of corruption within Colombia as is. To connect Santos Government to Uribe is also absurd, Uribe sees Santos as a traitor for being a diplomat, being kind to Venezuela and Chavez and reopening the border (some thanks we got for that..). Santos even appeared at Chavez Funeral, regretting the death of Chavez with strong statements, and has gone very far out of his way to reach out and try to reach peace with the deluded Stalinist FARC Guerrilla, who time and time again have betrayed every opportunity that has been given to them. When Uribe's self appointed Attorney General removed an Ex-M19, Socialist, and extremely unpopular Mayor of Bogota over publicizing the cities trash system Santos went after him and worked to make sure that Petro was reinstated. He is belittled by the Colombian people for his relationship with both Chavez and his attempts for peace with the FARC. They want the FARC hunted down and killed to the last man. They abhor Chavez and what he has done in Venezuela. He is a man that if anything has been very to the left of Uribe on these issues and worked hard on making amends for Uribe's failures. And for everything he has done to help Venezuela, Chavez, and the very Chavistas that are bitching here, he is maligned. This is absurd to me. At every level. Santos has done everything he could to be kind to the left wing. Their failures in Colombia and Venezuela are their own doing. Colombia is not a perfect country. But it is a far cry from Venezuela! It is still a democracy with so many freedoms that Venezuela lacks. And our people live in much, much better conditions, and make much, much more in their minimum wage. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Venezuela lost a important case in the International Court of Human Rights regarding the RCTV License to broadcast. The international court ruled that RCTV must receive its license back. Venezuela is now looking to close the border in the Guajira reason. Things keep circling the drain. And I am wondering how much longer this can last.
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I think this is a early indicator what the jury may be if Colombia sues Venezuela for committing human rights abuses in their detention and expulsion of Colombians and could lead to eventual embargos against the country by several groups. I don't see how Venezuela can keep on keeping on, the Chinese and Russians will likely eventually turn against them when they are unable to make loan payments due to their ever decreasing productions of oil and the drop in oil prices. The noose is tightening around their neck with every month that goes by.
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It's clear at this point that another nation; any nation, should intervene. Probably by providing opposition civilians with guns and training and funding a guerrila war against the current leaders. I think if that were to occur the PSUV house of cards would fall quite quickly.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Nice to see people now advocating for death squads in this thread. If this is what what the Venezuelan right wants then I would say the Venezuelan government is justified in jailing people like Lopez and paramilitary infiltrators who want to plunge the country into civil war. You mean freedom fighters. The country deserves a civil war like the usa deserved one in 61. The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants
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Jimmy is also a lovely revolutionary because he should realize tgat revolutions must always be on going. Maduro and the PSUV should of been cleansed ages ago.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:I'm not the one advocating violence, terror and hatred in this thread, there's no need for such bile. Arresting opposing politicians is terror. What the PSUV has spread is hatred. If you don't shut the gently caress up I'm gonna start quoting Stalin on how important killing people is for the revolution and how easy it is for enemies to hide and take over a revolution and that the best solution is to kill all them fuckers. You are a pathetic marxist you little chicken poo poo. So afraid of blood and all you can go about is loving death squads. You are about as revolutionary as a loving potato. Stalin would have you put down like a proper little bourgeoisie scum that you are. Mao would have you hung from the ropes. Pol Pot would have had you buried in sand then he would have personally taken a blowtorch to it. You are no friend of the revolution. Your just some stupid little white guy that thinks he understands the world. And one thing all marxists love is killing loving crackers. So shut the gently caress up you pasty Bai-guei, gringo, Oquizi Ohcha, maggot. PerpetualSelf fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 11, 2015 |
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Leopoldo Lopez is responsible for the deaths of 43 people and he got 13 years? I dunno what the outrage is about that seems pretty fair. Pluse the victims of the guarimbas and right wing violence have applauded the ruling. How many deaths are black loves matter leaders in Ferguson responsible? Or how about that friend of the family agitator Martin Luther King Jr? We should of put him and Malcolm X in prisom for life. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Laphroaig posted:And sadly those calls for, of all things, armed death squads and civil war, are probably entirely serious. You mean freedom fighters? Yes. The call for freedom fighters against tyranny is entirely serious.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Doesn't change the substance of the piece or Lopez's role in the 2014 violence. Given that the U.S. Government tried to pressure Foreign Policy into suppressing the piece to protect their asset it looks like they did some arm twisting on FP to discredit the piece, sort of like the CIA did to Gary Webb in response to the Dark Alliance story. And Lovato is right, there's only one correction to the piece, the rest are "clarifications" that Burelli's lawyers pushed for FP to include. Why is revolutionary violence? The proletariat working class in Venezuela needs to rise up and take out the anti-revolutionary ruling class. Revolution must be constant. Death to the PSUV and the anti revolutionary reactionaries. Death to you Borneo Jimmy! You are nothing but a capitalist pawn.
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